The hole in the "Rust did it" angle is that there are still a few people who'd know about The Yellow King etc, so the idea he'd push the murderer to suicide to tie up a loose end doesn't really fit.
Television True Detective | Season 2 Spoilers
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The show has got a strange, sombre Terrence Malick quality to it at times.
Unbelievably good episode.
I jumped when Marty suddenly shot LeDoux. I still think Rust is innocent. Always figured that the Christian Task Force shit had some hand in it and now it seems certain.
It just gets better and better doesn't it, what a great show.
I've needed a new show to watch since Breaking Bad ended, so going to give this a go tonight. Seems to be highly rated here on the Caf anyway, which is always a good sign. 
Spoilers please?
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The detectives made a pretty solid case to Hart about why Cohle was behind it all in fairness, though I'm pretty sure he isn't.
The weird thing about that episode was how it seemed to go on and on for ages, but without feeling like it was a drag to watch it.
There's no chance Cohle was responsible for any of the original murders, I'd say. I'd punch a goat if he was.
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The detectives made a pretty solid case to Hart about why Cohle was behind it all in fairness, though I'm pretty sure he isn't.
The weird thing about that episode was how it seemed to go on and on for ages, but without feeling like it was a drag to watch it.
Was going to comment the same thing! Fantastic episode again. I kept checking how much longer I had in the episode, the tension leading up to the raid of Ledoux's place and the shootings seemed to take an age, in a good way. And that was all in the first 15/20 minutes of the episode.
I don't think any of this is Cohle, and I'd be disappointed if that's the direction they take it. But the points the current detectives were making were all pretty solid, certainly enough to make it seem like a logical decision to heavily suspect Cohle.
Red herring, I'd say.
I think Marty's oldest daughter was in some way abused at some time. The reconstructions of the rape scene, the spiral drawings by her which match some of the Yellow King imagery on the wall in some scenes, the way she turns out.. it all seems to be leading up to that revelation.
1995
LeDoux: "Time is a flat circle"
Cohle: "What is that Nietzsche? Shut the f*ck up"
2012
Cohle: "You know someone once told me that time is a flat circle."
I think Cohle laid low for 8 years because he discovered the cult has high reaching influence, even so far as to be in the police force. He's doing his own solo job, and letting on the illusion that he has fallen back on drink so as to not draw any heat on himself. It is noticeable how Cohle never mentioned the cult to the two black detectives, nothing about Charlie Langes story, or even that the 2012 murders could be part of a cult. I also wonder if Cole and Hart really had a fight in 2002, as we've seen they haven't been exactly truthful with the two detectives.
LeDoux: "Time is a flat circle"
Cohle: "What is that Nietzsche? Shut the f*ck up"
2012
Cohle: "You know someone once told me that time is a flat circle."
I think Cohle laid low for 8 years because he discovered the cult has high reaching influence, even so far as to be in the police force. He's doing his own solo job, and letting on the illusion that he has fallen back on drink so as to not draw any heat on himself. It is noticeable how Cohle never mentioned the cult to the two black detectives, nothing about Charlie Langes story, or even that the 2012 murders could be part of a cult. I also wonder if Cole and Hart really had a fight in 2002, as we've seen they haven't been exactly truthful with the two detectives.
I'm guessing the "falling out" is some kind of invention between the two to allow Rust to continue working the case. If they could lie about what went down with LeDoux like..
yep, i think something like this too.
Two words: Boardwalk Empire. (HBO, amazing cast, and yet struck me as having gone wrong.)
Had this recommend to me. Is it worth watching?
Sweet mother of neptune yes
http://io9.com/the-one-literary-reference-you-must-know-to-appreciate-1523076497
Only really discusses the first three episodes, but very interesting. Discusses references and possible links to The King in Yellow / Yellow King - I didn't find it spoilery at all but I know some are very sensitive to that so be warned.
Only really discusses the first three episodes, but very interesting. Discusses references and possible links to The King in Yellow / Yellow King - I didn't find it spoilery at all but I know some are very sensitive to that so be warned.
You wouldn't like it.
I think the place they wanted to have access to (the sort of storage) is where he keeps doing his investigation because of the way he told them to get a warrant if they wanted it. I wonder if Tuttle's death has anything to do with the whole cult thing.
Yeah it's a red herring, but it's the right time to throw us a red herring, with only 3 left.
I can't see it based on the last episode either, its also pretty noticeable that Hart has pretty much continuously defended Cohle when they've hinted he was the one driving the cases (at least prior to this episode), he's certainly been a lot more cordial about him than you'd expect if they'd had a genuinely bad falling out. I suspect that they've been working together for the past 10 years, but due to some higher up influence Cohle's had to go off radar to work the case, something Hart with his family couldn't do.
Can't see Cohle as the killer either, the last episode trying to get in and out the drugs raid without anyone getting shot, making sure the kid laid down in the bath to avoid stray bullets. Hardly the behaviour of a cold blooded killer.
Interesting to see how the narrative of the episodes change now that Cohle's no longer in the interrogation room though. I guess next week could be focussed entirely on what happened in 2002 with just Hart being interviewed mind.
What channel is this on?
I wonder what is up with Marty's daughter and their weird drawing, they wouldn't have introduced something like that unless it had a meaning to the whole story.
HBO in America, but it will start on Sky Atlantic in the UK and Ireland on the 22nd of February.
Episode 5 was my favourite so far.
Took a totally different turn than I was expecting with them having the "shootout" so early on, and then continued to be amazing.
The Cohle stuff is definitely a red herring, in fact I'm pretty sure the writers are making it so intentionally obvious that it's not true that it's not even really a red herring.
The Cohle stuff is definitely a red herring, in fact I'm pretty sure the writers are making it so intentionally obvious that it's not true that it's not even really a red herring.
Yeah I liked the early shootout. 90% of stuff would've ended on that.
Also the detectives in 2012 think Cohle killed Tuddle. How does that fit into the "Cohle did it" narrative?
Huh? Really??
I'd say it's been fairly obvious what's been going on from pretty early on. In fact the only odd thing is that a character as switched on as Rust wouldn't have cottoned on to the fact that there was a cult thing surrounding the murder much earlier than he did. And on that note I hope there's a reasonable explanation for how this one murder has been left out in the open whereas we're lead to believe there have been many more that haven't.
Great episode again though.
When Hart shot Ledouex it did cross my mind that he might have been instructed to do so but I doubt that now given the further plot developments with his daughter who it increasingly looks like might have been groomed at some point (unless that's also a red herring).
Good theory about them still working the case but off the record. I guess if it's a conspiracy that goes right to the top of the police/church/local government then they'd be very wary of who they can trust..including the 2 detectives probing them in 2012 ("How dod you keep her out the paper? Maybe you've got friends in high places.") Of course it's even feasible that Cohle might have dressed up this lastest murder to link it back to the old ones but I'm sure we'll find out soon enough.
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i think shows the levels of influence of the "cult". Probably some teachers at school are "recruiting agents" or scouts for future sacrifices. At the end of the last episode in the abandoned big school, they showed a lot of this "wooden devil dolls" (or whatever they are), probably built by the kids that went to school there.
What about Marty's father in law? he is a wealthy man... maybe Maggie is part of this shit as well? too soon to know.
But yeah, the daughter has obviously been influenced by a third party. You have the Kens vs the barbie toys, the drawings, the "slutery" behavior. It reminded me of how these secret societies works... specially reminded me of "The davinci code" haha... and how the grandftaher of the protagonist was having orgies and shit.
Anyway, maybe Marty find out about this stuff (Cohle faced him with the truth, but convinced him to remain silent so they could finish the investigation, shutting out of it anyone who could be compromised (leaving them both alone really)) and thats why he is not together any more with the wife? When they showed the girls playing with the kites, he said something like "it was right there in front of my eyes" kind of line... feck, need to rewatch.
Cohle is clearly investigating this on his own, for what we can tell, but i hope that Marty is in it with him, and not part of the wrong side. (he was lying/protecting Cohle, but he might be protecting himself as well during the interviews)
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Yeah, the show gives me a strong 'Usual Suspects' kind of vibe actually. Mainly due to the interviews I guess although it looks like we won't be seeing much more of that any more.
I get the impression that we're due a 'Keyser Soze' style montage in the final episode with a load of quotes and flashbacks linking everything together to make us all go "aaaaah". The "it was right in front of my eyes" comment has been used more than once for instance.
I get the impression that we're due a 'Keyser Soze' style montage in the final episode with a load of quotes and flashbacks linking everything together to make us all go "aaaaah". The "it was right in front of my eyes" comment has been used more than once for instance.
Judging by his reaction to their evidence file and the comment from Harrelson about him playing them I'd say he probably knew he was a suspect but a) wanted to see their stuff on the latest murder and b) suss out whether they could be trusted and/or whether their was a push to pin this on him.
Oh well there you go then. Big Wicker Man style cult. Just remains to be seen who/how many are involved.
You should really spoiler that shit. it's totally against the policy on here @Lynk .
Eh? They are from episodes 2 and 5 which have aired. No one else has been using the spoiler tag.
Goddamn this show is dense. I'm going to enjoy rewatching this all once it's over.
Yeah. Real Chekov's Gun feel to that. I think it's going to figure hugely with Marty.
Totally agree and it crossed my mind too. It seems silly that LeDoux would actually bring a corpse out, obviously for show, like that.
You getting that stuff off /tv/? There's some real interesting pics floating about tying together certain theories about Marty's eldest daughter on there.