Trudeau accuses Indian government of involvement in killing of Canadian Sikh leader

Anyone who knows about this topic, could you please shed some light on what the hell is the Indian government doing.

The Khalistani movement seemed dormant for so long and suddenly it seems that the government has created an imaginary enemy just to portray a strongman image.

But to go to this lengths and conducting murders on US soil is not the level of escalation I would expect even from the dumbfecks that is the current Indian government. So what exactly is their endgame. Just wholesale vilification of Sikhs or another show for their dumb supporters as some kind of Putin-esque strongmanship.
 
I just took a look at the list of countries that Canada has extradition treaties with and India is on the list. If Modi's government had serious evidence of criminal actions by Nijjar, why didn't they go through official channels? You can't declare that someone a terrorist without proper criminal charges; that is what the rule of law is about.

By the way, here is the entire list of countries for your own knowledge.
That's a surprisingly small list. Most of Europe and Latin America but besides that only a handful of countries. Interesting.
 
Shah has been described as India's "second most powerful man" and is one of Modi's closest confidants. Before Tuesday, Canadian officials would only state on the record that the plot could be traced back to the "highest levels of the Indian government."

 
Anyone who knows about this topic, could you please shed some light on what the hell is the Indian government doing.

The Khalistani movement seemed dormant for so long and suddenly it seems that the government has created an imaginary enemy just to portray a strongman image.

But to go to this lengths and conducting murders on US soil is not the level of escalation I would expect even from the dumbfecks that is the current Indian government. So what exactly is their endgame. Just wholesale vilification of Sikhs or another show for their dumb supporters as some kind of Putin-esque strongmanship.

maybe my timeline is off, but did this ramp up after the farmers movement? i remember that the pro-govt media said that the movement was being driven by khalistanis.
and yes, the movement was (and still is) mostly dead, but it has been slightly revived, at least partly because the bjp and congress have been lobbing around this accusation freely - they got an MP elected this time.
 
maybe my timeline is off, but did this ramp up after the farmers movement? i remember that the pro-govt media said that the movement was being driven by khalistanis.
and yes, the movement was (and still is) mostly dead, but it has been slightly revived, at least partly because the bjp and congress have been lobbing around this accusation freely - they got an MP elected this time.

Yes it was mostly around the farmers protest that the movement came back into the news. Protesting farmers were labelled Khalistanis because they were Sikh so this was just a ploy to discredit the entire movement. Also there has been accusations by the Indian Right wing that the Khalistanis from Canada are funding AAP (This rumour started to spread more after AAP won Punjab assembly elections.)
 
Yes it was mostly around the farmers protest that the movement came back into the news. Protesting farmers were labelled Khalistanis because they were Sikh so this was just a ploy to discredit the entire movement. Also there has been accusations by the Indian Right wing that the Khalistanis from Canada are funding AAP (This rumour started to spread more after AAP won Punjab assembly elections.)
Just write “Indian Right Wing” and “Hindutva” to make any nonsense agenda post about India and people will lap it up.

AAP is accused because it gives space to a very small minority in India who wants this lunatic dream of Khalistan in Indian Punjab.
 
Western governments need to grow some balls and either detain or deport anyone working on behalf of another government (or being paid by them in other capacity) that is part of something like this.
 
Western governments need to grow some balls and either detain or deport anyone working on behalf of another government (or being paid by them in other capacity) that is part of something like this.

Our leadership thinks we can be the next Israel/Saudi in terms of impunity - ruling party people have openly talked about using the AIPAC model to influence US politics in our favour. Not sure we've reached that level.
 
Our leadership thinks we can be the next Israel/Saudi in terms of impunity - ruling party people have openly talked about using the AIPAC model to influence US politics in our favour. Not sure we've reached that level.
Right now I fear they might be right for the time being :(.
 
Our leadership thinks we can be the next Israel/Saudi in terms of impunity - ruling party people have openly talked about using the AIPAC model to influence US politics in our favour. Not sure we've reached that level.
Canada is an 'easy' experiment as it stands already. Crude methodology but I can see it evolve.
 
Our leadership thinks we can be the next Israel/Saudi in terms of impunity - ruling party people have openly talked about using the AIPAC model to influence US politics in our favour. Not sure we've reached that level.

India's soft power is definitely growing to the point that they can be an influence. That being said, it seems they are pushing too hard too soon given the reaction in Canada.
 
So let me get this right, Khalistanis attack Hindu temple on Diwali and it becomes “anti Sikh pro India rioters”. Goebbles would be proud of blatant anti Hindu propaganda by some here

Sikh celebrate Diwali just like Hindus ( their version is different but Lord Ram is revered even by Sikhs atleast who are close to their faith teaching). Nihangs started the whole Ram Temple movement and ran langar sewa during Ram Temple inauguration.

Khalistanis are not Sikh people or at least have no clue about their own religion teachings. These people who Canada have given asylum are people who killed Hindus during Khalistani militancy in 80’s. Easiest way to get Canada asylum these days for Khalistani is to go burn Indian flag near Indian embassy and then claim asylum

Canada has imported all gangsters who claimed asylum by citing fear of Indian government and has the easiest path to get asylum by claiming to be Khalistani. And then wonder how Gang wars have reach Canada.

Even the most anti BJP people in India dont really believe in this Canada story. The reason is, it makes absolutely no difference in India. Even in Punjab, Sikh account for 57% population and their population in rest of the country is not significant to turn any seat. BJP doesn’t even need to win Punjab as it is not that significant state to win general election. Funnily enough, Congress whose politicians organised riots post Indira Gandhi assassination, is the second biggest political party after AAP in Punjab ( and was first before AAP came to power in last election). BJP has no political gain by doing anything against these Canadian Khalistanis.

Maybe some lone wolf might have been involved, but Canadian accusations ( with no absolutely no proof it must be added) that top echelons of Indian government is involved in killing a nobody in Canada ( who himself is involved in Gang wars) is laughable. But as these days in most western social media platforms, any accusation against India delves into Hinduphobia and racism, and considered gospel truth.

“Pro India” is really a cute way to hide Hinduphobia
 
So let me get this right, Khalistanis attack Hindu temple on Diwali and it becomes “anti Sikh pro India rioters”. Goebbles would be proud of blatant anti Hindu propaganda by some here

Sikh celebrate Diwali just like Hindus ( their version is different but Lord Ram is revered even by Sikhs atleast who are close to their faith teaching). Nihangs started the whole Ram Temple movement and ran langar sewa during Ram Temple inauguration.

Khalistanis are not Sikh people or at least have no clue about their own religion teachings. These people who Canada have given asylum are people who killed Hindus during Khalistani militancy in 80’s. Easiest way to get Canada asylum these days for Khalistani is to go burn Indian flag near Indian embassy and then claim asylum

Canada has imported all gangsters who claimed asylum by citing fear of Indian government and has the easiest path to get asylum by claiming to be Khalistani. And then wonder how Gang wars have reach Canada.

Even the most anti BJP people in India dont really believe in this Canada story. The reason is, it makes absolutely no difference in India. Even in Punjab, Sikh account for 57% population and their population in rest of the country is not significant to turn any seat. BJP doesn’t even need to win Punjab as it is not that significant state to win general election. Funnily enough, Congress whose politicians organised riots post Indira Gandhi assassination, is the second biggest political party after AAP in Punjab ( and was first before AAP came to power in last election). BJP has no political gain by doing anything against these Canadian Khalistanis.

Maybe some lone wolf might have been involved, but Canadian accusations ( with no absolutely no proof it must be added) that top echelons of Indian government is involved in killing a nobody in Canada ( who himself is involved in Gang wars) is laughable. But as these days in most western social media platforms, any accusation against India delves into Hinduphobia and racism, and considered gospel truth.

“Pro India” is really a cute way to hide Hinduphobia

What a load of absolute tripe and to mention Goebbles, fecking sickening. India has more in common with the Nazi regime than anyone else. Expect nothing more from a pro Modi propagandist. Sikhs were carrying out a peaceful demonstration outside the temple due there being an Indian Consular clinic at the same site. The protest was against the Consulate not Hindus. This was after the wave of crime targeting the Sikh community. The pro India group then started shouting anti Sikh slogans and told the Sikh protestors that they would be killed. Later on the same site, extremist and hateful speeches were given by the pro India mob including by a Hindu priest at the temple which was inciting violence against the Sikh community. The priest was later suspended by the Temple. Later on the same night, 300 armed pro India extremists targeted a Sikh Gurdwara (footage posted in an early post) and stated they would repeat the Sikh genocide of 1984.

And whilst you are going on about the 80s, you've failed to mention the genocide where thousands of Sikh people were killed, set on fire, women raped and murdered, children killed. All done by Hindu extremists on behalf of the Government and still to this very date, there have been no criminal charges brought against anyone. Fecking disgusting, state sponsored terrorism to its own residents!

Khalistan is thrown around by Hindu extremists when they want to mark Sikhs with the same brush as them - extremists. Whereas it is a movement for a pro Sikh state in India. The Sikhs are tired of being persecuted by Modi and his Goons, the Farmers protest was just an example of that and now they target people abroad. They don't like free speech and have held a British citizen in jail for 7 years without a charge being filed against him.

The Canadian Government are sick of Indian extremists carrying out killings on their soil and have called India out. They have the intelligence and the proof. No country would call out another country and risk diplomatic relations unless they had the concrete proof.

There isn't any Hinduphobia, victim claiming. Modi has targeted anyone that isn't a Hindu in his country, he has targeted Muslims and now Sikhs.
 
The thing is, the farmers protest was in Punjab because that's where all the farmers are. @pratyush_utd said:

"Even the most anti BJP people in India dont really believe in this Canada story. The reason is, it makes absolutely no difference in India. Even in Punjab, Sikh account for 57% population and their population in rest of the country is not significant to turn any seat. BJP doesn’t even need to win Punjab as it is not that significant state to win general election"

What happens if Punjab stops providing the rest of Bharat with food? Is Punjab suddenly significant, politically?

Honestly, all this demeaning of non-Hindus and the value they bring to Bharat is not only fascist, it's stupid.
 
So let me get this right, Khalistanis attack Hindu temple on Diwali and it becomes “anti Sikh pro India rioters”. Goebbles would be proud of blatant anti Hindu propaganda by some here

Sikh celebrate Diwali just like Hindus ( their version is different but Lord Ram is revered even by Sikhs atleast who are close to their faith teaching). Nihangs started the whole Ram Temple movement and ran langar sewa during Ram Temple inauguration.

Khalistanis are not Sikh people or at least have no clue about their own religion teachings. These people who Canada have given asylum are people who killed Hindus during Khalistani militancy in 80’s. Easiest way to get Canada asylum these days for Khalistani is to go burn Indian flag near Indian embassy and then claim asylum

Canada has imported all gangsters who claimed asylum by citing fear of Indian government and has the easiest path to get asylum by claiming to be Khalistani. And then wonder how Gang wars have reach Canada.

Even the most anti BJP people in India dont really believe in this Canada story. The reason is, it makes absolutely no difference in India. Even in Punjab, Sikh account for 57% population and their population in rest of the country is not significant to turn any seat. BJP doesn’t even need to win Punjab as it is not that significant state to win general election. Funnily enough, Congress whose politicians organised riots post Indira Gandhi assassination, is the second biggest political party after AAP in Punjab ( and was first before AAP came to power in last election). BJP has no political gain by doing anything against these Canadian Khalistanis.

Maybe some lone wolf might have been involved, but Canadian accusations ( with no absolutely no proof it must be added) that top echelons of Indian government is involved in killing a nobody in Canada ( who himself is involved in Gang wars) is laughable. But as these days in most western social media platforms, any accusation against India delves into Hinduphobia and racism, and considered gospel truth.

“Pro India” is really a cute way to hide Hinduphobia
What a load of utter racist and facist twaddle.
 
What a load of utter racist and facist twaddle.
What a load of absolute tripe and to mention Goebbles, fecking sickening. India has more in common with the Nazi regime than anyone else. Expect nothing more from a pro Modi propagandist. Sikhs were carrying out a peaceful demonstration outside the temple due there being an Indian Consular clinic at the same site. The protest was against the Consulate not Hindus. This was after the wave of crime targeting the Sikh community. The pro India group then started shouting anti Sikh slogans and told the Sikh protestors that they would be killed. Later on the same site, extremist and hateful speeches were given by the pro India mob including by a Hindu priest at the temple which was inciting violence against the Sikh community. The priest was later suspended by the Temple. Later on the same night, 300 armed pro India extremists targeted a Sikh Gurdwara (footage posted in an early post) and stated they would repeat the Sikh genocide of 1984.

And whilst you are going on about the 80s, you've failed to mention the genocide where thousands of Sikh people were killed, set on fire, women raped and murdered, children killed. All done by Hindu extremists on behalf of the Government and still to this very date, there have been no criminal charges brought against anyone. Fecking disgusting, state sponsored terrorism to its own residents!

Khalistan is thrown around by Hindu extremists when they want to mark Sikhs with the same brush as them - extremists. Whereas it is a movement for a pro Sikh state in India. The Sikhs are tired of being persecuted by Modi and his Goons, the Farmers protest was just an example of that and now they target people abroad. They don't like free speech and have held a British citizen in jail for 7 years without a charge being filed against him.

The Canadian Government are sick of Indian extremists carrying out killings on their soil and have called India out. They have the intelligence and the proof. No country would call out another country and risk diplomatic relations unless they had the concrete proof.

There isn't any Hinduphobia, victim claiming. Modi has targeted anyone that isn't a Hindu in his country, he has targeted Muslims and now Sikhs.

Thats the usual reaction when you call out Hinduphobia on Internet. Absolute nonsense and hypocrisy of the highest order. And then call the people who call out your agenda as “racist”.

1984 Sikh riots were post Indira Gandhi assassination and was carried out by Congress politicians as a revenge attack. No one in India denies that. Operation Blue Star is a controversial decision but it was not how you are insinuating. Both anti militancy and Operation Blue star was led by Sikhs.

Did we do a great job in providing justice to every victim of Delhi political violence ? No we did not. But let’s not confuse Sikh militants who were active in 1980’s with Delhi riots victims. 1984 riots targeted Sikhs but not because of religious animosity but just because Sikh body guards were involved in Indira Gandhi assassination. The insinuation itself shows the contempt you have against Hindus and lack of understanding of actual events

This current demand is nothing but propaganda. 80% of pre divided Punjab is in Pakistan but it is conveniently left out of that demand. Most criminals are being provided asylum who join the “Khalistani demand”. Gurudwaras in Canada are eulogising Air Indian bombers and Sikhs who want nothing to do with this are being forced to acknowledge “Khalistani demand”.

Canada has created this problem on its own. Canada has given shelter to criminals who escaped after killing Indian citizens both Sikh and Hindus. This “extremism” issue is Canada problem. There are hardly any takers of Khalistan in India.

Defacing of temples, attack on diwali etc have been happening for some time now. And once there was a reaction, it was termed as “Anti Sikh”. No it was against Khalistanis. Regular calls against Hindus and asking them to leave and attack their religious places, and suddenly when there is a reaction, it becomes “Hindutva extremism”.



Sikh population has dwindled in Afghanistan and Pakistan, and yet not a peep from these Canadian citizens and no fighting for their rights? We all know the origin and support of this “freedom movement” and we all know if it was ever realised no “Canadian” will relocate here.



The thing is, the farmers protest was in Punjab because that's where all the farmers are. @pratyush_utd said:

"Even the most anti BJP people in India dont really believe in this Canada story. The reason is, it makes absolutely no difference in India. Even in Punjab, Sikh account for 57% population and their population in rest of the country is not significant to turn any seat. BJP doesn’t even need to win Punjab as it is not that significant state to win general election"

What happens if Punjab stops providing the rest of Bharat with food? Is Punjab suddenly significant, politically?

Honestly, all this demeaning of non-Hindus and the value they bring to Bharat is not only fascist, it's stupid.

Point is that Khalistani issue is irrelevant in India and to actually go and kill a nobody in Canada for that “threat” which doesn’t exist in India is very hard to believe.

I cant help if you take “population percentage” as demeaning of population but it was not the intention and since post was only for political significance, i didnt point out the contribution of Sikhs in India as i didnt think it was required. Sikhs contribute hugely to Indian society. Despite most of India being okay with farm laws, it was taken back because Punjab and Haryana farmers were against it. If they were demeaned, this wouldn’t have happened. Sikhs are actually revered by most Indian due to their participation in Indian defence forces. And their contribution to India’s food security is respected despite it not being at the same percentage as it was.
 
1984 riots targeted Sikhs but not because of religious animosity but just because Sikh body guards were involved in Indira Gandhi assassination. The insinuation itself shows the contempt you have against Hindus and lack of understanding of actual events

This current demand is nothing but propaganda. 80% of pre divided Punjab is in Pakistan but it is conveniently left out of that demand. Most criminals are being provided asylum who join the “Khalistani demand”. Gurudwaras in Canada are eulogising Air Indian bombers and Sikhs who want nothing to do with this are being forced to acknowledge “Khalistani demand”.

Is the first part here supposed to make it ok? I’m slightly confused why you’ve even bothered to make the distinction.

And I’ve also seen Khalistan maps including Pakistan Punjab, including even Lahore, so not clear on what you mean with the other paragraph either.
 
the irony of a BJP supporter complaining of religious based discrimination. my goodness.
 
Is the first part here supposed to make it ok? I’m slightly confused why you’ve even bothered to make the distinction.

And I’ve also seen Khalistan maps including Pakistan Punjab, including even Lahore, so not clear on what you mean with the other paragraph either.
No. I have bothered to make that distinction because it is relevant. It doesn’t justify it, but it gives more context. Otherwise it gets clubbed with typical narrative of “Hindutva” which it wasn’t. Sikhs are respected in India and despite some section of stupid people falling for narrative during Farm laws protest, largely entire country has huge amount of respect for what Sikhs have done for India. And most people acknowledge that Anti Sikh riots victims have not received justice as most of the evidence was destroyed and understand the frustration behind it.


For your second query,

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2326088/sikhs-for-justice-releases-new-map-of-khalistan

There are allegations of Canadian gang members getting training in Pakistan, but I know how any allegations from India is treated here, so i didnt bother mentioning that.

Its very to easy to be Hinduphobic these day and anyone pointing out the hypocrisy, they get clubbed as BJP supporters and racist.
 
No. I have bothered to make that distinction because it is relevant. It doesn’t justify it, but it gives more context. Otherwise it gets clubbed with typical narrative of “Hindutva” which it wasn’t. Sikhs are respected in India and despite some section of stupid people falling for narrative during Farm laws protest, largely entire country has huge amount of respect for what Sikhs have done for India. And most people acknowledge that Anti Sikh riots victims have not received justice as most of the evidence was destroyed and understand the frustration behind it.


For your second query,

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2326088/sikhs-for-justice-releases-new-map-of-khalistan

There are allegations of Canadian gang members getting training in Pakistan, but I know how any allegations from India is treated here, so i didnt bother mentioning that.

Its very to easy to be Hinduphobic these day and anyone pointing out the hypocrisy, they get clubbed as BJP supporters and racist.

But why is it relevant? If the bodyguards were Hindu, would the crowds have gone around burning Hindu temples and attacking Hindus? Sikhs were targeted because of their religion after a few members of their religion committed an assassination. That would not have happened if those same guards were Hindu.

I didn’t deny that some maps are of Indian provinces only. I’m challenging the assertion that no Khalistanis also include bits of Pakistan in their ideal ‘land’. They do.
 
But why is it relevant? If the bodyguards were Hindu, would the crowds have gone around burning Hindu temples and attacking Hindus? Sikhs were targeted because of their religion after a few members of their religion committed an assassination. That would not have happened if those same guards were Hindu.

I didn’t deny that some maps are of Indian provinces only. I’m challenging the assertion that no Khalistanis also include bits of Pakistan in their ideal ‘land’. They do.
Maybe you dont know but when Nathu Ram Godse killed Gandhi, Maharashtra saw massive anti Brahmin riots as Godse was a Maharashtrain Brahman. So there is precedence of mob violence politically created in India targeting specific community to which the perpetrators of crime belong to. It’s not a justification but just addresses the fake argument that it was a religious issue. As pointed out, both anti militancy operation and the operation Blue star was headed by Sikh generals, so it wasnt how the other person tried to present it.

Let me address the second point, i dont mind Khalistani maps which include India only or include parts of Pakistan as well. My issue is with the organisation which is now demanding Khalistani land and the way they are going about it. These Canadians dont want Khalistan, and not a single one is going to relocate if they demand is met. Attacking Hindu places of worship and going to Pakistan to release the supposed Khalistan map, i mean i dont have to state the obvious on why Hindus are being singled out.
 
I suggest a permanent ban for bjp supporters on this forum. It's same as supporting taliban or isis.
 
unsurprisingly, no mention by @pratyush_utd that BJP leaders were also involved in the anti-sikh riots in 1984. you bring up the role of Congress and Op Blue Star but decline to mention BJPs role..

https://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...ar-charanjit-singh-channi/article68638571.ece
Channi is Punjab Congress CM. And did you even read what is written in the article? And Operation Blue Star was Congress tryinh to fix its own mistake as Bhinderwale was created by Congress and Indira Gandhi was PM who ordered the army to carry out the operation. Indian army led by a Sikh carried out the operation. What part of that you didnt get?

The whole Canadian Khalistani argument is bogus and is a Canadian problem. You can keep insulting me on that, but it wont change its reality in India.

BJP was 2 MP party at that time and was a nobody in Indian politics. I don’t answer for BJP either. And my political views is none of your concern. May i suggest you dont tag or respond to me, if you have nothing valuable to add and just want to insult me because i dont agree to your ridiculous opinions.
I suggest a permanent ban for bjp supporters on this forum. It's same as supporting taliban or isis.

Taliban and Isis :lol:

My political preference is none of your concern. If you attack my place of worship and then present response as “anti Sikh” then i will point out that hypocrisy. People are free to align to whatever political party they want to. Doesn’t mean they cant point out that Hinduphobia is accepted as normal in online discourse about India.
 
@pratyush_utd
Has there been any attack on any temple in Canada, which was not hosting an Indian govt function? Genuinely curious.
Because for me there is a clear distinction between "temple" and "temple hosting a function by a Hindu nationalist govt that might have killed a Canadian Sikh". Attacking a random temple is simple religious violence, attacking this is political.

unsurprisingly, no mention by @pratyush_utd that BJP leaders were also involved in the anti-sikh riots in 1984. you bring up the role of Congress and Op Blue Star but decline to mention BJPs role..

https://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...ar-charanjit-singh-channi/article68638571.ece

He hasn't defended those killers, as far as i can see, and the primary blame for the violence in 1984 is to the congress. IG herself promoted Bhindranwale to divide Akali votes, which led to that spiral of events including Blue Star. After her murder, Congress was in charge in the centre and most states, and their men were involved. It was Rajiv himself who gave the quote about "when a tall tree falls, the ground shakes" or whatever. Yes BJP was part of it, but primary blame, from the background causes, to the law and order situation, to the people doing the actual violence, is with Congress.
This is not like Ayodhya or 92/93 or Gujarat 2002.

I suggest a permanent ban for bjp supporters on this forum. It's same as supporting taliban or isis.

It is like supporting the Muslim Brotherhood, which has had parliamentary parties, mass organisations, social services, and mass armed organisations, in different places and times.
The Sanghi system also has all of these.
 
@pratyush_utd
Has there been any attack on any temple in Canada, which was not hosting an Indian govt function? Genuinely curious.
Because for me there is a clear distinction between "temple" and "temple hosting a function by a Hindu nationalist govt that might have killed a Canadian Sikh". Attacking a random temple is simple religious violence, attacking this is political.
There has been multiple defacing of Hindu Temples in last few years. Happened in Australia as well if i am not mistaken. Even this attack was on Diwali and few Indian diplomats were part of the celebrations and was used as a distraction from what the attack actually was for.

I dont believe any genuine protest against India would happen when there is a celebration happening inside a temple on our auspicious occasion. Choice of location and occasion was extremely dubious

As i mentioned, i dont mind the protest and demand for Khalistan. But the groups backing this in Canada are doing this not for Khalistan but to target Hindus. You can see the map they present, their relationship with Pakistan. We all know how Gangsters in Punjab have abused the Canadian Visa system by pretending to be students and then claim asylum in Canada. To blame India for Gang wars in Canada when they provided Visas to them seems extremely naive thinking to me at the very least.

To pass this as response to “Hindutva extremism” is problematic. And when i pointed it out ( maybe i was bit too harsh with my comparison ), suddenly i am being clubbed as ISIS promoter or something. These days if anyone try to present any different side to opinion against Hindus, then suddenly these “BJP supporters, racist” slurs starts being thrown around. ISIS is a new one i heard today

I have a question for you, imagine these people get their demand of separate country, how many of these Canadians would actually move to this new Khalistan country from Canada? I dont think they will and thats why i mentioned this as a Canadian issue and I dont believe we will destroy our relationship with Canada to kill someone who is not an active threat to us and for an issue which isnt relevant in India.
 
Thats the usual reaction when you call out Hinduphobia on Internet. Absolute nonsense and hypocrisy of the highest order. And then call the people who call out your agenda as “racist”.

1984 Sikh riots were post Indira Gandhi assassination and was carried out by Congress politicians as a revenge attack. No one in India denies that. Operation Blue Star is a controversial decision but it was not how you are insinuating. Both anti militancy and Operation Blue star was led by Sikhs.

Did we do a great job in providing justice to every victim of Delhi political violence ? No we did not. But let’s not confuse Sikh militants who were active in 1980’s with Delhi riots victims. 1984 riots targeted Sikhs but not because of religious animosity but just because Sikh body guards were involved in Indira Gandhi assassination. The insinuation itself shows the contempt you have against Hindus and lack of understanding of actual events

This current demand is nothing but propaganda. 80% of pre divided Punjab is in Pakistan but it is conveniently left out of that demand. Most criminals are being provided asylum who join the “Khalistani demand”. Gurudwaras in Canada are eulogising Air Indian bombers and Sikhs who want nothing to do with this are being forced to acknowledge “Khalistani demand”.

Canada has created this problem on its own. Canada has given shelter to criminals who escaped after killing Indian citizens both Sikh and Hindus. This “extremism” issue is Canada problem. There are hardly any takers of Khalistan in India.

Defacing of temples, attack on diwali etc have been happening for some time now. And once there was a reaction, it was termed as “Anti Sikh”. No it was against Khalistanis. Regular calls against Hindus and asking them to leave and attack their religious places, and suddenly when there is a reaction, it becomes “Hindutva extremism”.



Sikh population has dwindled in Afghanistan and Pakistan, and yet not a peep from these Canadian citizens and no fighting for their rights? We all know the origin and support of this “freedom movement” and we all know if it was ever realised no “Canadian” will relocate here.





Point is that Khalistani issue is irrelevant in India and to actually go and kill a nobody in Canada for that “threat” which doesn’t exist in India is very hard to believe.

I cant help if you take “population percentage” as demeaning of population but it was not the intention and since post was only for political significance, i didnt point out the contribution of Sikhs in India as i didnt think it was required. Sikhs contribute hugely to Indian society. Despite most of India being okay with farm laws, it was taken back because Punjab and Haryana farmers were against it. If they were demeaned, this wouldn’t have happened. Sikhs are actually revered by most Indian due to their participation in Indian defence forces. And their contribution to India’s food security is respected despite it not being at the same percentage as it was.

Where are the cases of Hinduphobia excatly? The thing that is being called out is Hindu nationalism which is akin to facism. No one is calling out ordinary Hindus who in alot of cases stand by Sikhs, its the nationalists who are carrying out tis behaviour. The Indian Government has targeted anyone that is not a Hindu in their country, Muslims, Sikhs and anyone else. Modi has a history of targeting of being a Hindu nationalist and violence against others.

1984 Sikh riots, NO! How dare you call them that? No Sikhs were rioting, it was genocide pure and simple, rape, murder and setting people on fire, GENOCIDE! Genocide orchestrated by the then Hindu nationalist Government and supported by others. No one has accepted anything because other decent country would have held a public enquiry into the issue but not India so these people who committed these heinous acts are somehow walking around free and no one has been prosecuted and then you have the gaul to question that Sikhs are not targeted. The fact you excuse the genocide because of the assassination shows how much contempt you have. I will call out the murderers and the rapists because thats what they were, encouraged by the state who turned a blind eye and actually supplied information about where Sikhs lived. You have shown yourself to be a Genocide Denier!

You have no clue about Khalistan despite me explaining it. You then keep mentioning Khalistanis which is the go to word for Hindu nationalist. Where are these so called attacks on Hindu temples, can you point them out with evidence. You then question why a sovereign country would cause diplomatic issues because apparently it's 'very hard to believe' India is carrying out murders on foreign soil. The same India which attacks and shuts down free speech against the Government, the same India which holds prisoners in jail without charge, the same India led by a murderous tyrant. Canada must be so bored that it's suddenly decided, lets create a diplomatic incident! Utter bollocks, it would not take measured unless it had the proof to do it and then it's been backed up by intelligence in America and this country. India is finally being called out and genocide supporters such as you don't like it.
 
Where are the cases of Hinduphobia excatly? The thing that is being called out is Hindu nationalism which is akin to facism. No one is calling out ordinary Hindus who in alot of cases stand by Sikhs, its the nationalists who are carrying out tis behaviour. The Indian Government has targeted anyone that is not a Hindu in their country, Muslims, Sikhs and anyone else. Modi has a history of targeting of being a Hindu nationalist and violence against others.

1984 Sikh riots, NO! How dare you call them that? No Sikhs were rioting, it was genocide pure and simple, rape, murder and setting people on fire, GENOCIDE! Genocide orchestrated by the then Hindu nationalist Government and supported by others. No one has accepted anything because other decent country would have held a public enquiry into the issue but not India so these people who committed these heinous acts are somehow walking around free and no one has been prosecuted and then you have the gaul to question that Sikhs are not targeted. The fact you excuse the genocide because of the assassination shows how much contempt you have. I will call out the murderers and the rapists because thats what they were, encouraged by the state who turned a blind eye and actually supplied information about where Sikhs lived. You have shown yourself to be a Genocide Denier!

You have no clue about Khalistan despite me explaining it. You then keep mentioning Khalistanis which is the go to word for Hindu nationalist. Where are these so called attacks on Hindu temples, can you point them out with evidence. You then question why a sovereign country would cause diplomatic issues because apparently it's 'very hard to believe' India is carrying out murders on foreign soil. The same India which attacks and shuts down free speech against the Government, the same India which holds prisoners in jail without charge, the same India led by a murderous tyrant. Canada must be so bored that it's suddenly decided, lets create a diplomatic incident! Utter bollocks, it would not take measured unless it had the proof to do it and then it's been backed up by intelligence in America and this country. India is finally being called out and genocide supporters such as you don't like it.

I have already explained most of your “arguments”.You can mislead as much as you want but it wont change the actual events.

Just bring whole load of un related stuff and then combine it to justify your Hinduphobia. I will call it out, you dont like it then you can choose not to respond
 
I have a question for you, imagine these people get their demand of separate country, how many of these Canadians would actually move to this new Khalistan country from Canada? I dont think they will and thats why i mentioned this as a Canadian issue and I dont believe we will destroy our relationship with Canada to kill someone who is not an active threat to us and for an issue which isnt relevant in India.
But the Canadian government thinks that is what happened!? What use is it what you think or want when the government concerned isn't convinced?
 
I suggest a permanent ban for bjp supporters on this forum. It's same as supporting taliban or isis.
Please, no! Everyone should get a taste and experience of what we've been seeing within the country, especially over the last 15 years.
 
I have already explained most of your “arguments”.You can mislead as much as you want but it wont change the actual events.

Just bring whole load of un related stuff and then combine it to justify your Hinduphobia. I will call it out, you dont like it then you can choose not to respond

You've explained nothing, just conveniently ignored by points and picked your own. You are a genocide denier and are inventing this fake clause of Hinduphobia to sort your narrative. You have some really nasty and troubling views. Everyone can see you for what you are on this board.
 
"1984 riots targeted Sikhs but not because of religious animosity but just because Sikh body guards were involved in Indira Gandhi assassination"

@pratyush_utd mate, the set up to your sentence literally disproves the rest of it. Sikhs are a group defined by their religion.

Targeting and murdering innocent people of a religious belief, no matter the trigger, is persecution. Your lot fecked over that lot for the actions of 2 men.

Also, question, is Punjab ethnically and culturally different from the rest of Bharat? Because if it is, they should be allowed to secede from a federal union if they wish.
 
You've explained nothing, just conveniently ignored by points and picked your own. You are a genocide denier and are inventing this fake clause of Hinduphobia to sort your narrative. You have some really nasty and troubling views. Everyone can see you for what you are on this board.
One would say you are doing that.

You are just a trolling at this point now. Its clear you have no idea about anything related to India but jump on bandwagon to hate on Hindus and India by creating fake realities in your head

I have tackled all the points of 1984 Sikh riots. Explained why its not what you claim it to be. How it isnt 2002 Godhra riots and how Politically created violence against communities have happened before following assassination. You have no clue whatsoever about it but have qualms in insulting and labelling me. I am done with this discussion with you.
 
"1984 riots targeted Sikhs but not because of religious animosity but just because Sikh body guards were involved in Indira Gandhi assassination"

@pratyush_utd mate, the set up to your sentence literally disproves the rest of it. Sikhs are a group defined by their religion.

Targeting and murdering innocent people of a religious belief, no matter the trigger, is persecution. Your lot fecked over that lot for the actions of 2 men.

Also, question, is Punjab ethnically and culturally different from the rest of Bharat? Because if it is, they should be allowed to secede from a federal union if they wish.
Please read about it. Maharastrian Brahmins were targeted and killed post Gandhi assassination. It was Anti Brahmins riot done by Politically motivated people. Sikh community was targeted in similar fashion post Indira Gandhi assassination. I have made this distinction because its relevant to understand how it is not 2002 Godhra riots.

That doesn’t mean i deny or defend anyone. This i have made it quite clear. Not sure how this gets missed.

Anyway the posters who just want to believe this, they are free to do so. This topic is going nowhere, and i dont really want to continue any more discussion on it.
 
One would say you are doing that.

You are just a trolling at this point now. Its clear you have no idea about anything related to India but jump on bandwagon to hate on Hindus and India by creating fake realities in your head

I have tackled all the points of 1984 Sikh riots. Explained why its not what you claim it to be. How it isnt 2002 Godhra riots and how Politically created violence against communities have happened before following assassination. You have no clue whatsoever about it but have qualms in insulting and labelling me. I am done with this discussion with you.
Bro. The fact they are called the Sikh Riots, named after a specific religious group who were the victims, makes it different from these other riots.

You assume I have little reading about the subject in question, but I'm very well read about the partition of Punjab and its ethnically and religious repercussions.

You say you're not defending anyone, but your skipping over specific actors implies otherwise.