Trudeau accuses Indian government of involvement in killing of Canadian Sikh leader

Kostov said:
Is there a thread about the honoring of the Ukranian Nazi in the Canadian parlament?
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There's a Canadian Politics thread where you could bring that up. Or do you mean to suggest it has a bearing on this subject here somehow?
 
Cheimoon said:
There's a Canadian Politics thread where you could bring that up. Or do you mean to suggest it has a bearing on this subject here somehow?
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Nazi you say? Don't think the Indian government would have an issue with that. Not too far from their own ideology.
 
China trying to usurp the US while India look set to replace Russia as the world's biggest trolls and political opponent removal service.
 
Here as well:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/us-unseals-indictment-sikh-killings-1.7043428
A newly unsealed U.S. criminal indictment has unleashed an unprecedented flood of details about an alleged plot connected to the Indian government to carry out multiple assassinations in North America.

Perhaps the most surprising allegation in the murder-for-hire indictment filed in New York state against Indian national Nikhil Gupta is a claim that there were plans to carry out three such killings on Canadian soil.
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The plot thickens & all that. Let's see if India will now also deny everything, act deeply insulted, and kick out US diplomatic personnel.
 
In any case, no one should care about Modi and his underlings' feelings.

Extradition treaties both exist for a reason as means to make legal proceedings between nations as something regulated and civilized. Prosecutors from Country X have a job of making proper demands with properly legal indictments to be presented to the prosecutors from Country Y. If Modi's government cannot abide by those basic and internationally legal concepts, then Modi should not start crying if top nations begin to dismiss him and his government because of a lack of a civilized attitude (for a lack of a better term) in such matters.
 
Cheimoon said:
Here as well:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/us-unseals-indictment-sikh-killings-1.7043428

The plot thickens & all that. Let's see if India will now also deny everything, act deeply insulted, and kick out US diplomatic personnel.
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Extrajudicial assassinations are absolutely the wrong way to address differences and am glad that a spotlight is being shown on this now that India was caught in the cookie jar. However, the US has acted very differently with regards to how this matter is being managed and I would be surprised if they face any blowback for this. Justin Trudeau decided to make this an election issue to save his failing premiership and in many ways has unfortunately empowered individuals who are not completely innocent in their own right. The US has been striking the right balance of a positive tone in public while still pursuing justice in private and not empowering the separatists, which is why the relationship likely won't be strained much, if at all. But lets be honest, this really is the case of the pot calling the kettle black and if the US were to make this an issue like Trudeau did, they would be massive hypocrites in doing so considering the sheer volume of extrajudicial assassinations the US has attempted/completed over the last 60 years.
 
RedDevilQuebecois said:
In any case, no one should care about Modi and his underlings' feelings.

Extradition treaties both exist for a reason as means to make legal proceedings between nations as something regulated and civilized. Prosecutors from Country X have a job of making proper demands with properly legal indictments to be presented to the prosecutors from Country Y. If Modi's government cannot abide by those basic and internationally legal concepts, then Modi should not start crying if top nations begin to dismiss him and his government because of a lack of a civilized attitude (for a lack of a better term) in such matters.
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Modi and his cronies represent so much of what is bad in Indian politics at the moment, the sad reality is that their does not seem to be a credible opposition to his party at the moment, maybe resident Indians can weigh in on this.

Canada is not such a top nation to be fair though, in fact Canada will need India more than the other way around over the next several decades. India's GDP is nearly twice that of Canada's at this point. Plus, the US and EU have not only not dismissed Modi but actually gone out of their way to court him despite the concerns surrounding Modi's erosion of Indian democracy. The most important geopolitical threat to the West is China and the calculation that will be made is that it will be much easier to counter them by having India as part of the team. It would obviously be better if Modi is no longer in charge and if there were a more liberal alternative in India but geopolitics often make strange bedfellows. I mean MBS is still a major player in the geopolitical arena and he more or less murdered a dissident journalist employed by a US media company with his bare hands so it goes to show how little this current issue will matter in the long run.
 
sport2793 said:
Extrajudicial assassinations are absolutely the wrong way to address differences and am glad that a spotlight is being shown on this now that India was caught in the cookie jar. However, the US has acted very differently with regards to how this matter is being managed and I would be surprised if they face any blowback for this. Justin Trudeau decided to make this an election issue to save his failing premiership and in many ways has unfortunately empowered individuals who are not completely innocent in their own right. The US has been striking the right balance of a positive tone in public while still pursuing justice in private and not empowering the separatists, which is why the relationship likely won't be strained much, if at all. But lets be honest, this really is the case of the pot calling the kettle black and if the US were to make this an issue like Trudeau did, they would be massive hypocrites in doing so considering the sheer volume of extrajudicial assassinations the US has attempted/completed over the last 60 years.
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I don't quite get these two points (bolded). How has Trudeau made this into an election issue? Elections are a year away and this will have become a tiny issue by then (in electoral terms). It's also really not what will make or break the current government (which will likely break); that's the economy/inflation and the housing crisis (and maybe climate change, depending on who scores the worst own goals between now and then). As has been pointed out in previous pages, the reason this came out prematurely (before the investigation was fully complete and there was a proper report), was rather that a media outlet had gotten wind of the investigation and was going to report on it - forcing the government to announce it first to at least be able to control the narrative.

Also, ever since that announcement, Canada has been trying to tone things down and make this into a collaborative issue with India. That has failed entirely because India has simply responded very angrily and that's it (as you say in your other posts, Canada is easy to bully, so why wouldn't they); but I don't quite see how Canada's tone has been wrong, or how it has empowered separatists.
 
sport2793 said:
Modi and his cronies represent so much of what is bad in Indian politics at the moment, the sad reality is that their does not seem to be a credible opposition to his party at the moment, maybe resident Indians can weigh in on this.
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The opposition parties are not in a great state - they mainly lack a charismatic face. But more importantly, the BJP has a stranglehold over A) the sentiments of the Hindu (majority) voter by using their divisive Hindutva agenda B) the overarching pillars of the state l - investigative agencies used to jail / punish critics and political opponents and serve the ruling parties agenda, a mainstream media that is bought and does nothing but glorify the BJP and deitify Modi etc C) the flow of money. They are filthy rich and dwarf their competitors part of which is down to A and B as if you look like a winner you can get away with anything including ensuring all the cash flows your way. Obviously the Congress being poorly run doesn’t help.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
The opposition parties are not in a great state - they mainly lack a charismatic face. But more importantly, the BJP has a stranglehold over A) the sentiments of the Hindu (majority) voter by using their divisive Hindutva agenda B) the overarching pillars of the state l - investigative agencies used to jail / punish critics and political opponents and serve the ruling parties agenda, a mainstream media that is bought and does nothing but glorify the BJP and deitify Modi etc C) the flow of money. They are filthy rich and dwarf their competitors part of which is down to A and B as if you look like a winner you can get away with anything including ensuring all the cash flows your way. Obviously the Congress being poorly run doesn’t help.
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To make this point even more -
There are news sites and some newspapers that often oppose the government, which can give an impression of a free media.
But - there are no TV channels doing this (the last one was dogged by declining advertising and tax cases, and was bought out by Modi's personal billionaire friend and donor last year), and BJP also has a massive lead in Whatsapp/social media. Basically, where ordinary people get their news, has been totally won by the ruling party, leaving only mostly English-language websites read by 1% of the population.

And the money ratios are crazy, given that opposition parties control almost half the state governments (which would usually motivate businesses to give them money):
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Solid documentary/report from the CBC series titled The Fifth Estate. They are our equivalent to stuff like 60 Minutes and so on.



When you think that Pierre Poilièvre's Tories and Modi's government are basically jerking off each other, no wonder why Poilièvre is refusing to submit himself to a security background check (necessary for any federal party leader to get a security clearance and thus receive classified intel briefings). That donkey is either compromised as hell by foreign powers or is actively enlisting their support.

Instead of cozying up to Poilièvre, our MSM need to wake up and pile up the pressure on him until his position becomes totally untenable. That guy is a fraud and a nuisance to Canada.
 
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RedDevilQuebecois said:
Solid documentary/report from the CBC series titled The Fifth Estate. They are our equivalent to stuff like 60 Minutes and so on.



When you think that Pierre Poilièvre's Tories and Modi's government are basically jerking off each other, no wonder why Poilièvre is refusing to submit himself to a security background check (necessary for any federal party leader to get a security clearance and thus receive classified intel briefings). That donkey is either compromised as hell by foreign powers or is actively enlisting their support.

Instead of cozying up to Poilièvre, our MSM need to wake up and pile up the pressure on him until his position becomes totally untenable. That guy is a fraud and a nuisance to Canada.
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Poilievre is another DeSantis. He's saying all the right things that a certain demographic wants to hear (about how bad everything is), but not real answers to most of it. The more the light will shine on him closer to an election, the more gross he'll look though. Like his stupid porn age restriction bill, he doesn't 'get it'. He's just another weirdo religious type that wants to set the world back
 
Canada expels 6 Indian diplomats, government source says
Canada expelled six Indian diplomats after police said they collected evidence those officials were part of an Indian government "campaign of violence," a government source told Reuters on Monday.

The Washington Post earlier reported the diplomats had been expelled. India withdrew its envoy to Canada on Monday along with other officials and diplomats whom Ottawa named as persons of interest in a matter related to an investigation in the country, the Indian foreign ministry said.
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-expels-6-indian-diplomats-government-source-says-1.7351837
 
Hopefully our corporations can break some contracts with Tata and bring jobs back to Canada.

In an atmosphere of extremism and violence we need to think about our data security, etc.
 
Canada alleges much wider campaign by Modi government against Sikhs
The killing of a Sikh separatist in Canada last year was part of a broader campaign of violence against Indian dissidents directed by a senior official in the Indian government and an operative in the country’s spy agency, according to Canadian officials who cited intercepted Indian communications and other newly acquired information.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/10/14/canada-modi-sikhs-violence-india/
 
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