Trent Alexander Arnold | Real Madrid working on deal (Ornstein)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Ashwin @AR87 are here to discuss two "on-paper" not great results for United over the last week, but are there positive signs of progress despite what the ex-United pundits are saying?
They also preview the big game Europa League game against Lyon.
Yeah agreed. I actually think his decision may have been different if we/he hadn't won every important trophy already and if the managerial situation was different. If we were still without a PL or CL during his time at the club but were currently ascending and looking close to either one, I think he might've extended to be able to win our first league since forever.
Obviously just a pure guess on my part. But I don't see what incentive he could have to stay, being a one-club man is nice but he'd go from a legend to potentially a top 10, maaaaybe top 5 player ever at the club, and if he's lucky he wins some more stuff he has already won. On the other hand you can improve your wages, go from the NW England weather to living in sunny Spain, Madrid is a great city, Real the biggest club in the world, and you're guaranteed a title and CL challenge pretty much every year. And gets to play with his best friend in football. He's at an age that if he didn't do it right now the opportunity wouldn't come around again.
There is really no downside to his decision for him imo. Maybe I'm underselling the ties to Liverpool as a local lad, not sure.
Really don’t understand the fuss over this/him
Outside of Liverpool and tv studios I don’t think there’s too many people that elevate him to such elite levels.
No one fears Trent starting at right back.
I don’t see a Liverpool team sheet and think Oh god. We’re in trouble today. Trent is playing.
If anything…opposition fans up and down have been optimistic to se him starting. A weakness. Someone who can be got at.
He will move. And the world keeps spinning. Liverpool no better or worse when the replacement starts playing.
Like Carragher has said about Rashford. The amount of column space for such a player is unfathomable.
Outside of Liverpool and tv studios I don’t think there’s too many people that elevate him to such elite levels.
No one fears Trent starting at right back.
I don’t see a Liverpool team sheet and think Oh god. We’re in trouble today. Trent is playing.
If anything…opposition fans up and down have been optimistic to se him starting. A weakness. Someone who can be got at.
He will move. And the world keeps spinning. Liverpool no better or worse when the replacement starts playing.
Like Carragher has said about Rashford. The amount of column space for such a player is unfathomable.
I have more time for Beckham. If both players had stuck around as long as Giggs and Scholes, then for sure, they would be United legends. However, they didn't. That's why it's debatable with Alexander-Arnold. Though I'm no Liverpool fan so I don't have a particularly strong view on it.
He's been a very good player for them, despite his obvious deficiencies. I think he makes the top 5 Liverpool players this century. They'll miss him greatly, I reckon.
Not sure he even makes the top 5 Liverpool players in the Klopp era. Not to mention Gerrard and Suarez who came before that.
I'd go Gerrard, Suarez, Salah, Van Dijk, Alexander-Arnold. He's the weakest player in the five but I think he sneaks in.
I'm sure a lot would go Sadio Mane but I reckon he'll be an awful lot harder to replace than Mane was.
Thing is you are ought of every trophy besides the league, which is of course a massive accomplishment.
But it looks like salah is off and if he isn’t he’s 32, what’s happening with VVD? That’s the spine of the team according to some, even though Trent’s numbers aren’t even top ten in creating in the world, and his assists are no where even near the top the last couple of seasons.
So it’s clear that Liverpool didn’t either do their job in making these decisions earlier or in my opinion if they had sold their big 3 last summer, no way you’re winning the league this season.
So for me it was worth it to have them this last season, but can’t claim he doesn’t see the club is about to be in a rebuild phase
No Allisson?
I think he is a bit overrated tbh, sure great passer, crosser and a decent shot but defensively he is not that great.
He will start for Real and do good I’m sure, they don’t have anyone else at the moment, but he is nowhere near the player Carvajal was/is if he recovers.
He will start for Real and do good I’m sure, they don’t have anyone else at the moment, but he is nowhere near the player Carvajal was/is if he recovers.
I think it's always hard to weigh goalkeepers against outfield players so I certainly wouldn't dismiss the idea but I'd say TAA has been more influential.
How do scousers rank Alonso and Coutinho....?
Owen was there until 2004 too. Mane, Firmino, Fabinho, Alisson under Klopp, arguments for Sterling and Sturridge under Rodgers, Alonso, Mascherano under Benitez.
I think top 5 is very kind to him.
Wasn't enough of it. Guy left them with just 65 goals and 12 assists in the league. Alexander-Arnold actually has slightly more G/A, I think.
I do appreciate you providing so much to work with here.
It will be interesting to see what Madrid will do with him because I think his positives can outweigh his negatives if the structure around him is correct but I don't think he's talented enough to command that tactical alteration at Madrid.
I would be surprised if he is considered a legend at Liverpool in future after this though.
I would be surprised if he is considered a legend at Liverpool in future after this though.
Owen definitely. A case for Alonso and Maschreno too.
Not to forget such legends as Jay Spearing, Anthony "better than CR" Le Tallec and Benteke.
More seriously though, I'd agree with all of those, but I don't rate TAA particularly highly to begin with (but understand why he'd be considered as a Liverpool legend, that seems entirely fair)
I did nearly drop Le Tallec (and Aquilani) in.
I don't really give a toss about his "club legend" status either. That's for them to decide. Also think he's overrated and garnered a false reputation for being some sort of fantastic playmaker because he took one "cheeky" corner and spammed crosses to a world class attack, who have inevitably managed to convert a fair few of them.
Was he even called up for the latest England squad?
He is injured.
Fair enough.
I mean he won’t help them from being hammered by Barca a couple of times a year but he’ll likely turn a few 3 goal wins into 5 goal ones. They don’t seemingly need anything but their voodoo for the CL and apparently Barca can’t produce consistently so a few league titles are a certainty. He’ll likely have a successful career there but not really be remembered at Madrid in 20 years or so. He’s a bigger loss for Pool than a gain for Madrid. Guy is definitely a Pool legend though. Has his huge deficiencies but he’s been a super player for them.
I think you haven't watched him much if you think that, he's the best long-range passer in the Premier League, some of their games this year he's played unbelievable three or four 40-50 yard passes that have unlocked a defence, the sort of passes nobody else is doing. He also has been one of their most important, if not most important, player in build-up for 5-6 years now.
You can have your opinions about how good he is at defending and whether he is worth the 'luxury' (I think he's a bit underrated in defending and his appraisal there is based off a few higher profile shocker games when he's had plenty of good games) but on the ball he's top-class and will be a big loss to them.
I think he's top 20 for all time Premier League assists, from not that many appearances. Really only Giggs and De Bruyne would've been comfortably safe at the top if he spent his entire career in the PL.
Has he unlocked defenses or has he just smashed a diagonal cross-field ball into some space for Salah or whoever to chase down?
(complimentary)Madridistras will have the white handkerchiefs out after 5 minutes watching Trent’s “defending”.
Does it matter? If he does that for Mbappe it will create goals.
I'm countering the idea that he's some sort of visionary creative force, not denying that he's handy when you want someone to launch a ball into some space for someone to run on to.
Top 5 is outrageously over the top.
They'll have 90% of the ball in most games so he won't have to do that much
Salah, Van Dijk, Mane and Alisson are above TAA in Klopp's era. After that there is an argument for him. Firmino and Henderson were signed pre-Klopp so don't count, and TAA is better than Robertson. Wijnaldum maybe has a shout. Very underrated player.
Why wouldn’t he want to go to Madrid, there’s no better opportunity In world football. He’d be mad to turn it down, he’s won everything at Liverpool.
What about Fabinho?
I saw a clip yesterday of Varane explaining why he left Madrid, saying he has won everything... he didn't have that passion anymore, so needed a new challenge.
It would be the right time to leave with Liverpool potentially requiring a rebuild, the manager not really favouring him either.
He's a fantastic player and it just screams bitterness from our fans berating him and criticising his defending. The good far outweighs the bad, its no coincidence that the biggest and most successful club in the world want him.
I think the criticism over his defending is often overdone by the English media too, really interested to see how he does in Spain as i dont think the same spotlight will be on him.
Its a great move for him on a number of fronts.
I think the criticism over his defending is often overdone by the English media too, really interested to see how he does in Spain as i dont think the same spotlight will be on him.
Its a great move for him on a number of fronts.
They are a special bunch... not in a good way though.
A lot of them are like this, I know it's only Ireland but I saw that pass live and he pulled off a few more like that for England that day, have seen a few games for Liverpool where he's doing that regularly. Exceptional passer.
In the cup final against Newcastle Liverpool rarely looked like scoring and they didn't look great defensively despite having a centre back in Quansa playing right back for them.
Many people (including myself) used to think that Wan Bissaka was a better defender, yet one of them is now at West Ham and one is going to Real Madrid.
I think it will be a massive loss for Liverpool, I saw somewhere earlier that he has created 100 goals for Mo Salah (more than any other player) so even if Salah ends up staying he has lost his main creator.