Does this open the door for the Act to be updated?
Transgender rights discussion
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I doubt there is political will to do so.
Finally some common sense comes out of a court.
If you read the full judgement the reasoning was that recognising people with a gender recognition certificate as a woman would give trans people more rights compared to the rest of the population and impede others rights. All judges do is interpret the law passed by parliament, its not like in the US when they make politically motivated judgements.
Trans people are still protected under the gender reassignment provisions in the act and so there’s no reason to expand rights beyond what non trans people have, that would be inequality…
No doubt this is used as a weapon for either side though.
Trans people are still protected under the gender reassignment provisions in the act and so there’s no reason to expand rights beyond what non trans people have, that would be inequality…
No doubt this is used as a weapon for either side though.
Genocidal rhethoric. How pleasant.
You mean the US judges are appointed by politicians or by elections and so have an overt political incentive, while in the UK judges are basically senior barristers (or solicitors or possibly CILEX ) who are appointed by a committee so political inclinations are somewhat obscured?
To put it in more detail, yes. The US system also leans more on common law than legislation, so judges’ informed decisions (often based on personal sways) become more potent.
Is that actually true?
From my (somewhat limited) understanding of the US legal system, yes.
I don't know the details, though, just reading informed academic commentary.
For those who haven't read it, can you explain why this would be the case?
LBC have a literal J K Rowling tier transphobe on and the presenter is nodding along joyfully.
https://bsky.app/profile/jolyonmaugham.bsky.social/post/3lmw7wy3pa22l
Decent analysis of how bullshit this hearing was.
Decent analysis of how bullshit this hearing was.
Not a good judgment for the SNP.
What do you think will happen to assignment of trans-women to women's prisons? I would assume due this ruling, since they can not be deemed to qualify as "women" in terms of law, they will have to go to men's prisons. Vice versa for trans-men. Or at least the law or provisions around prisons would have to be updated to use both cis and trans terms for better clarity.
Whats with the british and their absolute brainrotting obsession with the 2-0,2% of the citizens that are trans?
Impossible to say. Cases are decided on an individual basis. It’s not based just on sex alone, it’s based on a variety of risk factors relating to others and themselves.
I’m just restating what the Supreme Court justice said. It’s not my area of law so I couldn’t say.
This is a disgraceful decision. A victory for hatred and truthiness.
I'm not sure what you mean by that but this culture war stuff involving trans people is quite prominent across the western world to varying degrees.
Unfortunately, we have a class of bigots who transcend the stereotype of a bigot (white, poorly educated, violent and not very affluent) but who are instead middle-class, educated, homosexual or supportive of it and non-violent.
I believe this buys them a lot of influence and leeway to spread their views through mainstream organisations. Their equivalents in the US are likely to be religious zealots for comparison. I believe by being outside the norm for bigots it gives them a veneer of respectibility, but what they really are is hateful people.
That’s a half truth though.
There are legitimate concerns from women and girls genuinely worried for their safety and well being.
Forgive my ignorance for this but is there an argument for trans people being another stage of evolution?
None of this is discussed in good fate. People with legitimate concerns (I don't agree there's any threat to safety of women and girls, just to be clear) are just the useful idiots used by bigots to advance their hateful agenda..
Is this what my taxes are going towards? Adults acting like children?
I would disagree and say that the risks to women and girls have been shown to be pretty severe in some situations, and it’s equally possible to imagine other less serious situations. I don’t want to get into hypotheticals though as I don’t have the time to debate it frankly
Nevertheless, whilst there are hateful people propping up the anti trans movement, there’s equally hateful (women haters) aligning with the trans activists.
Not equally, not even close.I would disagree and say that the risks to women and girls have been shown to be pretty severe in some situations, and it’s equally possible to imagine other less serious situations. I don’t want to get into hypotheticals though as I don’t have the time to debate it frankly
Nevertheless, whilst there are hateful people propping up the anti trans movement, there’s equally hateful (women haters) aligning with the trans activists.
They are IMO, they’re just better at hiding it.
Ah yes, the classic "trust me bro, I totally have a hot girlfriend in Canada" argument.
Just look at crime stats, mate.
You'll have to dig deep to find a transgender person/activist who attacked a woman because she was a woman.
Attacks on transgender people happen daily in every single country on earth because they are transgender.
Don't let the odd incident blind you from the obvious.
i know there are plenty of bigots generally out there who will attack anyone differrent, trans people being the prime victim.
I’m referring to the more focused online discourse though.
I’m referring to the more focused online discourse though.
Even if that's the focus, they are not the same by any metric. The manosphere, which is viciously anti-trans, is also 0the number one (by far) origin of hatred and violence towards women.
Its so depressing how the trans situation has become such an easy and lazy dog whistle. There are so so many far more important things to be working on but this gets dragged out as some sort of massive problem.
The NCAA (us college athletics associaton) has approx 500,000 athletes registered and according to its president back in Dec last year just 9 trans athletes. That there is a snapshot of the relative proportion. The real issue is hatred and punching down and how easy it is to wind up the average citizen to be angry about something in the larger scheme of things is a minor issue.
The NCAA (us college athletics associaton) has approx 500,000 athletes registered and according to its president back in Dec last year just 9 trans athletes. That there is a snapshot of the relative proportion. The real issue is hatred and punching down and how easy it is to wind up the average citizen to be angry about something in the larger scheme of things is a minor issue.
It's not just the Brits. It's gobshites everywhere.
what are they out of interest?
The same way society and some heterosexual men were scared of gay men in the past? That's just ignorance.
Sure but the Brits across the spectrum seem to be more insane about trans people, especially women. Seems to be a weekly topic of discussion even among labour. This definitely isn't the case in most countries in the western world. Would say that the Brits are almost maga levels of crazy when it comes to trans people.
In essence, biological men being allowed in female only spaces. I said above I’m not going to debate hypotheticals but surely anyone can see the risks associated with this and some pretty severe cases have made the news.
I hadnt noticed. There are loud voices in the US too?
That’s a pretty poor comparison. They’re the same sex for a start
It's insanity driven by bigots. 5 years ago it was approved in portugal a law that allowed transgender kids using the bathroom of their gender in public schools. The bigots went crazy because there would be thausands of boys pretending to be girls. In the end the numbers were 200 kids in a total of 1.3 million kids. Last december a report was issued about it. Surprise, zero incidents in 5 years.
Our version of fox even sent an army of reporters to find teenage girls afraid of this. Couldn't find a single one, they were all fine with it and most even said transgender girls were already using their bathroom way before the law was passed, because it made sense.
It's definitely rhetoric that has been used in those circles. Though research has shown that people care less about that kind of stuff than they do about anything else yet it's still used by the republicans in ads. The worrying thing about Britain is that even in supposedly centrist or leftist circles anti trans sentiments seems to be a big thing