Great post.
Transgender rights discussion
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Great post.
You said, in response to whether you are really arguing that it's ok to send death threats:
And in regards to rowling specifically receiving death threats:
When confronted with this, you made the direct equivalence yourself:
Ignoring meanwhile the argument that was posed to you concerning the mental distress of receiving death threats in the first place. In fairness, you somewhat addressed this by baselessly and callously asserting that she probably relishes them as weapons for her culture war, so signs do point to you arguing in bad faith here.
Ugh, Blair White. Racist, homophobic, and (depressingly enough) a massive transphobe.
Of course you are.
Deliberately spreading lies and falsehoods, like she does, is a vile and hateful thing to do.
When in doubt, turn to scripture.
She might just believe what she is saying.
There are so many posts in here attempting to justify or minimise the abuse she is receiving.
Of course she believes what she's saying. Just like everyone of every opinion here believes what they're saying.
She's entitled to her opinion, nobody has to like it. "Wrong" opinions are often just as useful as "correct" ones in getting to the bottom of a topic. If people could learn to critique the opinion and not attack the person we'd do a whole let better, but people are cnuts and can't help themselves.
Yeah pretty much, judging the "woke" crowd by the cesspit of Twitter is also ridiculous. Be a bit like judging all United fans by the tossers who turned up at Woodward's house.
That's a very long-winded way of saying absolutely nothing.
you accidentally posted a good, considered video that made a decent case against J.K. Rowling, thinking it was that awful video of awful Blaire White. Not all trans YouTubers are created equal.
The Blair video is good...not sure why non trans people are so utterly desperate to paint Rowling as transphobic even at the expense of actual trans people who don’t care about the tweets...it’s weird!!
Brilliantly articulated.
Yes, I said that sometimes it's ok to send death threats, sometimes it's not. It depends on the nature of the threat and who it's directed against. In regards to Rowling specifically I said that I don't care. I do not approve and I don't think it's ok, but I don't care. That's because of the nature of the threats, among other things. A few random people publicly tweeting at Rowling do not constitute a genuine threat, and it's directed at a celebrity billionaire asshole, so I don't care.
Where you say I made the direct equivalence myself is where I say that I think there's a higher probability of Rowling contributing to someone's death by what she's saying than someone murdering Rowling for what she's saying. That's not a false equivalence of any sort, just like it's not a red car.
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That's a really good take on the issue.
Really?
Perfectly concise post, thanks.
You need to log off and go outside. If someone believes that J.K Rowling writing a Medium post is going to drive thousands of people to suicide, you're a maniac. She isn't that good of a writer.
Yes, really. As I said, I'm perfectly fine with people threatening those facilitating the Rohingya genocide, for instance.
- I don't know, perhaps when two women are murdered by their male partners a week in the UK.
- Or when 137 women are killed every day by their partners across the world.
- Perhaps when you're biological sex means you make up 70% of all human trafficking victims.
- Or when you're one of 200m girls who have been the victim of FGM.
- Could be that by being female you're more likely to earn less and be sexually harassed at work.
This wonderful reduction of how small and meaningless biological sex is and why it matters, speaks volumes about how little is understood about how natal females or "cis-women" are treated across this planet by men. Perhaps if the women above-identified out of being female they might not have had their genitals sewn up or not of been trafficked to a brothel several thousand miles from home.
There is space for trans women to co-habit and coincide with "cis women" and enable them to live a safe existence as their chosen gender, to live as women or as men or a non-binary. But when women who have been subjugated for millennia and are still abused en-mass to this day, want to ask questions or have concerns that natal men, who identify, (let alone transition) to female, will now have access to their safe spaces, I can afford them some questions and reservations on this subject without screaming that they, (THEY!) are killing people.
Surely the death threats are another issue though. They're obviously not on, and certainly not acceptable, since no-one should be threatened for having an opinion. But that's besides the point of this thread, isn't it?
I thought the sexual threats were more grotesque than the death threats, given that she also used the essay to open up about being a sexual assault survivor.
Fortunately these disgusting individuals are just a very vocal minority, the likes of which Twitter is infested with. Grim.
Fortunately these disgusting individuals are just a very vocal minority, the likes of which Twitter is infested with. Grim.
Or a sexual assault survivor who writes books for kids but has opinions on gender that you disagree with, evidently.
Ok, cool. Because the last couple of pages have danced around this without getting any clarity. At least we have that now. So the discussion should probably move on from whether the death threats are ok. Looks like we all agree they aren’t.
*slams fist on the table* where is the humanity?! Is this what the world has come to? a cis woman who has been told she is wrong multiple times feels threatened and can’t air her transphobic views anymore. What is the world coming to?!
I think she feels threatened by people saying they are going to rape or murder her, not because she can’t espouse her views. She’s allowed to say what she likes, and people are allowed to disagree. But sending her that stuff is fecked up.
Woman 'feeling threatened' is a nice way of putting it. Slightly more accurate would be 'has been threatened.' Hey it's ok though, she has been warned about this, and all she has to do is shut up and not voice her opinion. The things these women bring on themselves.
It’s also interesting that “cis woman” needs to be mentioned. As though this makes her less deserving of not being threatened with rape/murder (or, being charitable, less entitled to express an opinion on trans issues?)
Careful. You don’t wanna hurt yourself performing such elaborate mental gymnastics.
Your post wasn't indicative of non-problematic views. It didn't really take much in the way of gymnastics to see that.
I recognise the issues that come with being a woman. I'm conscious also of the battery of additional issues faced by poorer women and those from some other countries/cultures. In my younger days, I thought by now many of those things would have been left in the past, but progress has not only slowed, but in some places things have actually got worse. It's the connection between those issues and how we treat actual transgender people in the UK that I doubt.
On the specific question of safe spaces, I agree, at least partially. Safe spaces like refuges are complex - especially as they are often very intimate shared spaces - and they need to offer feelings of emotional/psychological safety as well as the reality of physical safety. But issues of safeguarding, risk analysis and community are already part of the daily experience of their management. The reality is that funding matters, so that other alternatives can be provided if that's better for the trans individual or for the group. It's fair to say that you can't/shouldn't add to their responsibilities without also making the funds/capability available.
Ah yes. The old "I take issues such as rape, death threats, sexual assault very seriously" post. But when it happens to trans people, "Sorry, but I didn't hear about it in the news" so it probably isn't an issue.
Myopic.
Correct. Only need glasses to drive though.
She might indeed, but some of her views are countered by actual science.
For my part, I don't take issue with wanting to have a discussion about allowing trans women into what have traditionally been safe spaces for women, but it's a complex issue that requires people to be able to understand and sympathise with the other side. And also, it's probably not one I as a man should be part of.
The problem with Rowling is that she continues to conflate sex and gender, spreads misinformation and falsehoods, and tries to have the aforementioned debate. All at once. It makes having a reasoned debate impossible. Then she, and the rest of the gender critical community, denounce any criticism as misogyny.
I'm shocked that a transphobic person doesn't take issue with Rowling's tweets. It's almost like they agree or something.
Again, Blair White is an extremely bigoted person, who believes the only correct way to be trans is to be exactly like her. And even if you are, you're still mentally ill, and there's nothing wrong with misgendering you. It's also okay to bully and harass you, should you fail to pass as your preferred gender. If you didn't want to be bullied and harassed, you should have tried harder. She's a useful idiot. She's to trans women what Milo Yiannopoulos is to gay men, and what Candace Owens is to Black Americans. She aspires to be one of the good ones, while providing justifications and cover for bigots to continue being bigoted. That's literally the only reason anyone knows who she is, just like with Milo and Candace.
She also has a really bad habit of misrepresenting the views of anyone she's addressing or responding to in her videos, to the point that they're essentially worthless.
Well maybe she is manipulating me then because I found her video on the issue described everything pretty perfectly. I can’t stand milo...
edit:bigoted trans people. We really are pushing the envelope of wokeness here!
Not sure what you find so funny about it, it's not really a laughing matter. It's got nothing to do with wokeness, so kindly miss me with that shit.Well maybe she is manipulating me then because I found her video on the issue described everything pretty perfectly. I can’t stand milo...
edit:bigoted trans people. We really are pushing the envelope of wokeness here!
e: Like, do you honestly believe being a member of minority group mean you can't be bigoted?
The gender identification of the painter, or the defender have no bearing on the accuracy of the label. And the transphobic label applied to J.K. Rowling is accurate by any definition that I have seen:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transphobia
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/transphobia
J.K. Rowling is transphobic. She fits the definition. This is how we do language. All this (paraphrasing) "mislabelling" and "she can't be, it's her opinion" and "only by the woke brigade" is senseless rubbish. J.K. Rowling promotes transphobic material to millions of people. She can stop being transphobic if she wants and then she will not be a transphobe any longer (unless she starts again) but until then we settle on this accurate description of her behaviour towards this specific marginalised community.
Nick Griffin is no less racist when accused of being a racist by a white person than he is when accused by a person of colour. But if you like Blair White then you can maybe forget this bit, it's something about reasoning, you might not be interested.
J.K. Rowling is transphobe.
I wonder if she feels intense anxiety, has a panic attack or just shrieks in terror whenever she encounters a transexual person?
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Do you also wonder if oil feels intense anxiety, has a panic attack or just shrieks in terror whenever it encounters water?