Nah, she’s just hateful.
Transgender rights discussion
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Wow. I'm speechless after watching that.
I'm actually a bit fascinated by his demise. How the feck did he get so deeply pulled into that shit that he tore his own life apart over it? He's having a monumental breakdown in that clip.
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And what would those be? What people on twitter say she believes?
I've not read the book. Is she not championing the rights of cross dressing serial killers?Good to know that you're not worth talking to.
Why because I might have a different opinion to yourself? She's being jumped on by every loony woke person going and as far as I can tell it's simply for discussing a sensitive topic. It's pathetic behaviour.
I think it's generally been accepted that she isn't a great writer (obviously better than most!) but she is a great storyteller.
I'm really not sure why she is so fussed about trans people, but I just don't get it in general.
It's what hate does to you
Hagrid to the rescue! Seriously though I clearly have been born in the wrong era. I'm early 30s and stuff like this is more my cup of tea than the current twitter rage.
Yeah but surely that level of hate came from somewhere.
The 'Gender Critical' community is a cult. He's so obsessed because the only people he talks to are others in the community and every set back is a set back to the cause he and all his friends are fighting for.
It's hard to tell how far gone Rowling is but given some of the references she made in some of her blogs it's clear she's quite literate in the culture and the history of the Gender Critical community. Whether or not it dominates her life, as it does at its worst, I don't know, though it doesn't look good that she's using her fiction writing to continue the argument.
What the feck is the matter with her?
What ? People who haven't fought a war complaining about other people who also haven't fought a war, is you're thing ?
No, that's not what he was saying. He was using it as an example of how a lot of todays youth, particularly the ones on twitter it seems, are a bunch of pansies.
It's not just "discussing" the topic though, quite a lot of what she has said and continues to say is inflammatory towards transgendered people, and dismissive of their right to even co-exist among other people. Bigotry and prejudice is bad, and if she's using her platform to be openly bigoted and prejudiced, then quite rightly she is going to be criticised for it.
I'm assuming in this context "loony woke person" is someone who has any kind of compassion towards genuinely marginalised people in society?
And the example he gave was of a war that ended 5 years before he was born.
Sounds pretty "looney" to me tbh.
I'm not educated enough on the subject to take a strong stance, but I will say this for TERFs like J.K. Rowling: at least they show a form of integrity. They ought to know that their views aren't very progressive anymore, but they still stick to what they believe, despite at earlier points having shown a genuine wish for being woke.
If you believe that gender 100% is a social construct, then it makes sense that trans people rub you the wrong way. Their very existence kind of "debunks"beliefs.
If you believe that gender 100% is a social construct, then it makes sense that trans people rub you the wrong way. Their very existence kind of "debunks"beliefs.
It must be noted that not all mad Boomers have channelled their energy into hate. This madman for instance:
Neville Southall said:
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...keeper-boris-johnson-jk-rowling-loose-cannons
As someone who has 2 relatives who are post op trans, who has lived through seeing the effects their choices have on themselves and others and who loves each of them beyond measure, I have zero issues with anything J.K. Rowling has said or done. People really do need to wind their fecking necks in.
"her voice as rough and loud as a docker's"
Isn't she supposed to be a great writer or something?
Not as bad as Ben Shapiro, I guess, who wrote the line "she heard him sigh audibly".
Maybe she isn't skilled enough with the use of a comma for the literary snobs of the world, but she wrote the most important books of my life and single handedly got me through my GCSEs and eventually to a degree from a good Uni.
I have a pretty strong case of Dyslexia and a few other things. In year 8 my teachers predicted I would get 0 GCSEs, I struggled with just about everything. I eventually found Harry Potter, read them over and over again in my spare time and started to gradually improve across all my subjects. Got into reading, which eventually ended up improved writing and ended up with 11 GCSEs, 4 A Levels and a 2.1 degree. All because I got into reading and something changed in my brain.
So yea I'd say she's a fairly decent author even if she doesn't use enough fancy words for some people. I certainly won't be joining in the constant mass-harrassment of the woman on social media.
she’s done very little wrong. The loony woke lot are not compassionate they’re regressive and intolerant
good example of what being woke seems to mean these days.
Meanwhile, Rowling is actually increasing attention and animosity towards an already victimised community.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....-likely-to-be-victims-of-in-england-and-wales
J.K Rowling is continuing to slur gender non conforming people. Her platform is a haven for nasty, cynical bigotry. She seems a fecking horrible person
Yeah Southall a great example for showing this isn't really a difficult or complex issue. It's about treating people with basic human dignity.
Yep, it's not about getting everything right so much as it is about not always trying to be a complete arsehole all the time.
That neither mentions Rowling or shows an increase of anything.
"offences fell by 9% in the past year"
She must really be driving hatred towards trans people with tweets like this...
I think a lot of people are in a similar boat to you, I suspect given the age demographics of the internet there's probably many posters in here that it's true for (I'm certainly one of them) but that doesn't mean you have to deify Rowling as a perfect entity because her books were profoundly important during your childhood. If anything it makes me even more uncomfortable that a person who was enriched off the back of books that I purchased, read and enjoyed is using the wealth she accumulated from those books to spout hatred.
I guess it is perfectly possible to respect the works of the author whilst admitting they may not be a nice person. Pretty much every *********** has who ever lived has had horrible views and their works are still taught every day. Roald Dahl's books are still read to kids even though he was a raging anti-Semite.
I just don't know why Rowling decided to tackle a complex issue through a medium with a 280 character limit. It was never going to end well.
I just don't know why Rowling decided to tackle a complex issue through a medium with a 280 character limit. It was never going to end well.
If she is pro-trans and is only interested in maintaining women's rights, then why is her portrayal of trans people in her books so negative? That's not "discussing a sensitive subject" its demonising a minority. Writing blog posts or sending tweets is not debating the issue either, its a one way system where she can ignore the salient points being made and cry fowl over the idiots who threaten her as if that in itself validates her stance. Lets see her debate it on TV with people who are properly equipped to state the pro-trans cause and then we might see just how strong her views actually are.
I am lucky enough to be a straight, white, english-speaking male; many of the social issues that usually elicit cries of 'PC gone mad' are rarely first hand experiences but I find it quite easy to empathise with people's struggles just by having a little bit of compassion. As @dumbo says its not about getting it 100% right, its about trying not to be an arsehole all the time. Live and let live.
This isn't really what she's done. Her statements have been made on her website. I think the first was over 3500 words.
Thanks for the correction. I will give it a read. Honestly I haven't been following this closely - all I have heard reported are the tweets, which to me gives the indication that she didn't really care about nuance or getting details out there.
He didn’t say the article mentioned Rowling, he was pointing out that members of the transgender community are statistically far more likely to be the victims of crime.
What does the overall amount of crimes dropping by 9% have to do with the fact that members of the transgender community are overrepresented when it comes to being the victims of crime?
She must really be driving hatred towards trans people with tweets like this...
What’s your point here? That because she said she loves trans people in this one tweet it negates everything else she has said? Does Trump mentioning how much he has done for POC and the LGBT community in every tweet mean he is a great bastion of civil rights?
I agree. Who'd have thought 25 years ago we'd be holding up Neville Southall as a mindset to aspire towards? Shows what @fergieisold suggests, that a 'woke loony" (sic) doesn't necessarily have to be regressive and aggressive. In fact, it's only a small minority of people, enabled by the relative anonymity of social media, who are aggressive towards someone who has deliberately gone out of their way and used their much more powerful voice as a public figure to demean a whole section of society.
I do get the feeling a lot of the media response has been to paint her as wading in to something she knows nothing about, which I think is only kind of true. As I said before, for those very familiar with the online trans debate it is undeniable from the language, themes and references that she uses that she is in fact very versed in the discourse. I do not think she knows much at all about trans people but I think she knows plenty about how anti-trans arguments work.
I think this where most people are tbh.
People like Rowling and other terfs types seem so detached from reality. Thankfully their views wil be in dustbin of history within the next few decades. It also seems very particular to the UK, there is nowhere near the same levels of "liberal" transphobia in the US or Ireland.
It read as overall crimes against trans people fell by 9% but knife crimes up.
my point is she isn’t spreading hate. She’s just commenting on something that’s in fashion to be woke about at the moment and people are having a go at her. If there’s people out their being twats towards trans people that’s nothing to do with Rowling.