There actually is a trans athlete competing at these Olympics. Hergie Bacyadan, a filipino fighter who competes in the women's 75+ Kg division in boxing
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That was the first bit i found when i googled "Olympics 2024 Hannah Roberts".
Didn't find an article, just copied the text on top.
So maybe read the articles before posting transphobic crap next time
So you posted an AI prompt or something? Pretty weird.
Stop calling people transphobic, you clearly don't know what it means, or me and my opinions about people who are trans.
No idea what it was, just read the text on the top, and it said "she came out as transgender" - didn't see any reason to read an article after it said that she herself came out.
Assume it's wrong then, since everyone started nerdraging like always when "trans" is mentioned in a way that can be read as not extremely positive.
I don't hate trans people, which Giorno suggests, but i don't think they should compete with women in sports. That is not the same as being transphobe.
Again, if Hannah is not trans, then it's no problem at all for me.
yeah, I don't what it means, person who made a dog whistle then doubled down on it without even checking if what you were implying was true
i don't give a feck about your opinions. I care about not reading crap like this
Followed by this when we called you out on itI put it on in the background just to have seen something of the olympics, and well... this one girl for some reason jumps twice as high as the others, for reasons i guess we shouldn't ruin this thread with
Stop replying to me then, princess.
that is a transphohic position, genius. Doesn't mean you hate transgender people in general, but this is transphobic
Yeah very true but still enjoying being level on golds even if it only lasts for a couple of hours
Yeah I guess so, but then again, they didn’t win too much in swimming so far, and they usually dominate there
Yes, it's wrong. I don't think it's wrong because I know her better than she knows herself, but because I've been familiar with her since she broke through so I knew you were posting nonsense.
You seemed pretty certain about why she was doing so well. Now that you seem to realize you were wrong, what do you think the explanation is?
It probably came from an AI misreading this page where Hannah Roberts and the other wording about the International Transgender Day of Visibility (for Nikki Hiltz) are on the same page.
https://www.hrc.org/news/meet-out-athletes-in-the-2024-olympics
No it is not transphobic. Hating, harassing, bullying, etc... trans people is being transphobic, i have never done such a thing.
I want female sports to be protected. That is all.
I could be wrong because I only followed it from afar but Hannah Roberts is a lesbian woman. The "out" part is about being openly gay, unfortunately some articles seem to use LGBTQ+ and addding confusion.
Only reason i seemed certain was because of the part i posted here. I have said i have no problem with it if it isn't true.
I mean, being in the lead in the olympics makes it quite self explanatory that she's just damn good. I mean, what more do you want from me?
I have no intention of being stubborn about a thing if i'm proven wrong, so i see no point continiuing this discussion.
Imagine not only being transphobic but also dumb as feck to "google to be sure", doubling down on it without reading any article at all and just going by these AI created article snippets.
Kicking a cis-man when he is down?
I was wondering why I didn't find anything on Hannah Roberts. In any event, thank you all for clearing that up.
So you're saying people that think transgender male to females gain an unsporting advantage and shouldn't compete in elite level sports with cis women are transphobic?
All science aside (which say how much advantage transgender athletes have); did you watch some fights of Imane Khelif? That is ok to you? No advantage whatsoever?
Imagine spending all your life to go to Olympic games and then being battered against someone who has undeserved advantage.
I'm saying excluding women from competing against other women for the circumstances of their birth is transphobic. As for sporting advantage, I don't know enough, as there hasn't been enough studies to make definitive conclusions. I think the previous rules based on hormone levels were fine enough for the time being, and more research needs to be done on this topic
Imane Khelif isn't even know to be transgender. Other than that, see above. And I think intersex athletes(not saying she is, to be sure) in particular should be less discriminated against. The way the IOC treated Caster Semenya still boils my blood
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? You have dozen and dozen pure science facts. Regarding strength, stamina, agility, power, coordination.....you should check that a little before calling people transphobic left and right.Also, you can check what women athletes say about competing against transgender athletes.
Stating the facts isn't transphobic. Calling on transphobia in this case is just an lazy argument with not having any other valid argument.
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Also, you can check what women athletes say about competing against transgender athletes.
Stating the facts isn't transphobic. Calling on transphobia in this case is just an lazy argument with not having any other valid argument.
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So basically anyone that says its unfair to cis women is transphobic? That seems to be what you're saying here? Have I that correct or do you allow a bit of nuance to your argument?
There is nuance obviously, but I disagree with the "it's unfair to cis-women" argument - because we don't actually know whether that's the case or not. But to claim that (trans)women should not be allowed to compete against other women - while competition is divided across gender lines(this is a whole other argument btw) - on the basis of their birth is inherently transphobic, yeah. There is no nuance in that.
. But.....we do know! That is all point in all this. Unbelievable.We do know, backed with pure science facts and research that they have huge, huge, huge advantage over women. Advantage which women can't reach despite all training and talent.
There has been multiple studies to the contrary posted in this thread alone
You have eye test, you have science tests, you have research, you have women statements who competed with transgender athletes and despite that you will still have people like @giorno who will say; "I am not sure that they have unfair advantage".
Why do we have gender lines? We do we have weight classes? Why do we have age limits in youth sports? It's all because of sporting advantages. To say it's transphobic to want to keep that balance and fairness for cis women is madness imo.
You are just an agephob and weightphob. Do you have proof that 100kg boxer has advantage against 50kg?
No it’s not. Words either have meaning or they don’t.
And if for arguments sake it is transphobic then the term itself is inherently nebulous.
It is transphobic. Even if it were true that transwomen have an unsporting advantage, it would still be transphobic to exclude them - women - from competing within their gender. If you are dividing sports across gender lines, any exclusion of a person belonging to one gender from competing in their gender on the basis of a physical condition they have no control over is discriminatory. And if said condition is being born in a male body then that makes it transphobia(which is unfortunately being extended to intersex athletes, too). Where I do agree is that there needs to be limits and benchmarks to respect, to keep competition fair, which would depend on each sport on an individual basis(combat sports for example would require much tighter limitations than, say, shooting). A form of which already exists btw, in the form of anti-doping measures
I always feel people bring out the transphobia card do so in order to shut down any part of the debate that doesn't suit their world view as we see here a classic example.
I would argue that sports were divided across sex lines, not those of gender, and the modern interpretation of gender has very much added an element of grey to what was previously a fairly black and white issue.
I also don't think it's remotely helpful to start accusing people of transphobia for holding the view that sports (for the most part) should be divided by sex, and not gender.
So we are now accepting that there is an inherent advantage? Because otherwise, why would you need this line of thought?
Some people in this thread said they are against teen transgender girls competing against other girls in school sports. This shows their concern isn't solely about the olympics or "imagine a woman trains for 10 years and then loses to a trans woman". It's about the transgender girls/women themselves and wanting them excluded. Of course they won't say, but their proposals always end up in practical exclusion. How that can be seen as anything but transphobic is beyond me.
I will say; transgender athletes shouldn't compete with women in any type of sports. Teen, amateur, semi pro or pro.
And especially in teens. First of all; you have multiple examples of serious injuries in contact sports. Also; many teens fight for scholarships through sports.
As i said earlier; my opinion about this subject is based on stats, facts, multiple examples and research. Yours?
exactly! and we can clearly see this tactic at work in this thread.
My opinion that you're transphobic? I don't have any studies, sorry.