So they say City are actually interested but that they are only showing interest to pressure United? The very definition of small time, if you believe it.
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We sort of did with Benteke and Firmino.
Or it was all made up....
Nah the selling club did it with dropping our name to speed things up and to convince Liverpool to pay what they asked. There is no point in City doing that because they would probably rather see that we sign Pedro as late as possible and it is no point in Barca doing that for the same reason.
Hmmm, maybe we have tried to hijack their De Bruyne deal and City are responding in kind?
who is lucas biglia and do we need him ?
Argentinian central/defensive midfielder and not at all.
The Biglia rumour worries me. With the midfielders we've already bought, it's so absurd and nonsensical that it's hard to believe a journalist could cook the story up from nothing. But if there's one man you can trust to never shy away from the absurd and nonsensical, it's Louis van Gaal.
Surely not, though?
Surely not, though?
Sounds like another Gaitan... only I have feeling we'll sign him.
All true. It borders with insane.
Might want him to play CB
Midfielder, 29, Argentinian. Nothing interesting about this guy.
His agent, Enzo Montepaone, seems to think so.
I can believe the Biglia rumours, he's a squad player, the manager likes two players per position, he's profile for the 8 role is somebody who is good at winning the ball back and can play a simple passing game, he doesn't need creative qualities but obviously he needs to be good in possession as does everybody, his role is to support the defence and offence, basically Schneiderlin.
Herrera I don't think fits the profile for the 8 position, his defensive competence is a bonus, his attacking qualities are where he excels, he is more suited to the 10 position so will probably compete with Memphis for that. (I know most on here disagree but the manager has his ideal system and wants to implement that).
I can see why we need another 8, when Schneiderlin needs to rest or is injured then it's easier to have a player that can do what the position requires, and if Schweinsteiger and Carrick get injured then we are struggling a bit behind there considering Herrera doesn't fit the manager's profile of holding player.
I'd sooner we cap the price at £15m if we want a stop gap.
Herrera I don't think fits the profile for the 8 position, his defensive competence is a bonus, his attacking qualities are where he excels, he is more suited to the 10 position so will probably compete with Memphis for that. (I know most on here disagree but the manager has his ideal system and wants to implement that).
I can see why we need another 8, when Schneiderlin needs to rest or is injured then it's easier to have a player that can do what the position requires, and if Schweinsteiger and Carrick get injured then we are struggling a bit behind there considering Herrera doesn't fit the manager's profile of holding player.
I'd sooner we cap the price at £15m if we want a stop gap.
Not buying this reasoning at all, it's overkill. Schneiderlin can play no.6 and herrera can move to midfield if necessary.
Overkill, we have other areas to focus on. Schweinsteger can also play no.8, we also have fellaini who was playing as an 8 in the first half of last season.
Go after a striker or after a CB, it would be very appropriate. But when it comes to another defensive midfielder, HELL NO!
Last year we bought a striker when we needed a DM.
By that logic, we will buy a DM when we need a striker?
By that logic, we will buy a DM when we need a striker?
With Carrick, Blind, Pereira, Schweinsteiger, Schneiderlin, Fellaini, Herrera, Mata, Januzaj and apparently Memphis all vying for a maximum of three central midfield positions you seriously don't think another one would be completely overkill? And if not, do you think this is what we should be spending our time on with three weeks left of the window?
- Fellaini doesn't fit his 8 position
- His holding players are Schweinsteiger and Carrick for one role and Schneiderlin for the other.
- It's possible he will also play Blind in holding but I think he is back up CB and LB and then back up to Carrick Schweinsteiger.
- He can also move Schweinsteiger to 8 but why do that when he could buy somebody as back up to Schneiderlin?
- An injury to Shaw, Carrick and Schneiderlin would mean Blind (LB), Schweinsteiger (6) and then nobody left for the 8 position.
He doesn't see Herrera as a defensive player in his system, he would then need to change the formation that the players have been training and getting used to, it doesn't seem sensible when he could just buy a squad player that could come in and basically do what Schneiderlin does but to a lesser level, the impact of the injury on the team is limited.
Nobody is saying we can't focus on other areas either, we have a net spend of £12m this season so far, there is plenty of money available. We obviously need a winger (Pedro - £22m) and then who else? We have as of now 6 centre backs, we could improve quality but we need quality to be available that also fits the profile (ball playing) and we have 3 strikers, the same goes here, even GK we still have De Gea but if he is to leave we will let him however it's sensible to first sign the replacement or take Navas.
What's wrong with the manager wanting a squad that covers each position with a specialist? He has the money for it, if he doesn't get the back ups and we have an injury crisis the same people criticising him for building the squad will criticise him for not building the squad.
6 - schweinsteger, blind, carrick, schneiderlin
8- schweinsteger, schndeiderlin,
10 - herrera, fellaini
we have enough midfielders, it's overkill and further imbalances the squad, not to mention he's coming form a foriegn league and will need time to adapt to the prem which is unlikely as he won't get that many chances to play.
LVG said it himself, he's only buying players that improve on what we already have. Your logic doesn't make sense. We're nearing the end of the window, focus on the quality we still lack in other positions before creating a surplus of players in another position.
8- schweinsteger, schndeiderlin,
10 - herrera, fellaini
we have enough midfielders, it's overkill and further imbalances the squad, not to mention he's coming form a foriegn league and will need time to adapt to the prem which is unlikely as he won't get that many chances to play.
LVG said it himself, he's only buying players that improve on what we already have. Your logic doesn't make sense. We're nearing the end of the window, focus on the quality we still lack in other positions before creating a surplus of players in another position.
SchmidfieldAs someone said elsewhere this smells of Blind now being considered a CB, so being brought in to give him his 4 DM's again.
After all those years of midfield starvation, there will never be enough midfielders!
Depay will not play Carrick's role and Carrick will not play Depay's role, this much is obvious.
Blind is probably back up LB + CB and back up to Carrick Schweinsteiger.
Carrick Schweinsteiger for one holding role.
Schneiderlin for the other (Fellaini and Herrera do not fit his defensive profile for this position), leaving one space available.
Memphis Herrera for 10.
Not sure why you listed Mata because he is preferred on the right flank.
Januzaj the manager has also stated will play as striker, this was supported by pre-season and also it's rumoured he's going on loan.
That leaves Pereira, I haven't seen much of him, I don't think he is like Schneiderlin but if so then he would be our defensive midfielder, he was played more attacking in pre-season so it seems likely he will probably be used wide since we have only Young, Mata and Pedro so there is opportunity.
And yes, I think the manager should get specialists that fit his profile twice in each position as opposed to asking players to do a job, if a squad player can be a straight swap for Schneiderlin in our line up (in terms of what they give the team) it has minimal disruption, he wants 'automaticity' and I think that's sensible.
Injury to Shaw, Carrick, Schneiderlin = Blind (LB), Schweinsteiger (6), oh no, nobody left for 8, the manager complains and the fans get on his back for being so negative, they will say well he should have signed somebody who fits his profile in the window.
Schweinsteiger is getting older, he can't do the role he did for Louis in 2009 - 10, he is going to be the deeper holding player. The sensible thing is not to rely on him to cover two positions especially with his recent injury problems but instead to sign somebody who can do what Louis wants now in the 8 position.
My logic doesn't make sense? Well considering the back up to Schneiderlin doesn't really exist then it's not that difficult to improve on nothing.
You are basically asking for Schweinsteiger to rotate with Carrick and Schneiderlin this season. Guardiola said he hasn't been fit for 3 years apparently, I think the sensible thing is to sign a CM considering we have a lot of money so that's not a problem and also time is not really a problem, we can still focus on quality elsewhere, we don't have to negotiate only one transfer at a time you know!
Herrera can do a good job at 8 as he has already shown last season. Heck he even had a good game at 6 vs Chelsea. Herrera is more than good enough to be a backup 8. Don't need Biglia. We actually need to sign a proper fecking 10
The term Schmidfield needs to become a thing as soon as possible
In the match against Chelsea Herrera's failure to track Hazard resulted in their goal.
The point here anyway is that the manager has his preferred system, he prefers Herrera to occupy a creative role further up as opposed to a defensive role deeper, in the holding position in the manager's system the creative freedom is limited, the player in this role supports the offence by using his good simple passing to get the ball to the creative attackers.
I think it's sensible he wants to use Herrera as a creative and not defensive / support player.
Obviously you probably don't rate his system but that's another debate, he's going to use it so he might as well get the players he needs and also it's what he knows, it's what gives him the biggest chance of success, I don't want to handicap him, let him do things his way.
Don't jump to conclusions I rate the system, its you that doesn't seem to rate Herrera as an 8 (or you believe LVG is justified in not doing so), even though that is where he spent the majority of last season playing, and he was one of our better players. I think Herrera would also make a good 10 too.
This Biglia nonsense, its nonsense IMO. CB and two pacey attackers required.
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