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diarm said:
Evans maybe not, nor Nani because of inconsistency. They would still do a very decent job at a club just below the top tier though, yet some treat them with disrespect they would never use when talking about a player like Jagielka or Aaron Lennon who are no better than them.

Rafael was the established first choice under title winning and European cup challenging sides under Ferguson. He is a top, top class player and injuries or the fact he wasn't a perfect match for a managers style shouldn't change that as much as it has in so many peoples minds.

Jones is the easy butt of all the jokes. The fact is that statistically he was the best defender under 23 in Europe last year. Now stats don't mean everything but they should suggest he is worth more than a punchline and the age group of that study says it all. 23 years old.

I invite you to revisit this when he's played behind a good midfield for 6 months.
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Sorry mate, but we're gonna have to agree to disagree on both those comments. Jones being the best under-23 defender in Europe is beyond hilarious & Rafa aint top class - he had potential to be, but didnt achieve that at United.

He wouldnt be off to Lyon if he as regarded like that by football people - bigger clubs would have been in for him if he was & it was only Galatasaray & Lyon, going from all reports.

All that aside - he chose the number 20 for his shirt at Lyon & explained why:

"After being asked why, Rafael is alleged to have said: "I chose the number 20 because we (Manchester United) have won 20 titles."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-20-at-lyon-because-man-united-have-20-titles

I wish him very well on his new adventure & to fully realise his potential. Top lad & United through & through.

As regards to Jones playing with our new midfield in front of him & being judged on that?!

You're basically stating the obvious that he needs help because he isnt up to the task of defending his own position, but as you said - he's only 23, so he has many years ahead of him to iron out his faults & confidence / decision-making issues he clearly has.

Again, all that aside - Jones is another top lad & we seem to have a squad full to the brim of them too. That's what we want at the club - not twats like Di Maria..
 
Jed I. Knight said:
The whole "Pedro must play in the super cup" seems so ridiculously arbitrary.

"Sure, we'll make it through the entire season and all of eternity without this player, but we'll not have any chance of winning this hugely unimportant super match without him on the bench so we mustn't sell him at any price before the final whistle."
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I know what you mean Jed, but maybe Pedro wants to play in that game - all of 15 minutes of it, at best though..
 
Red Hand Devil said:
You're basically stating the obvious that he needs help because he isnt up to the task of defending his own position, but as you said - he's only 23, so he has many years ahead of him to iron out his faults & confidence / decision-making issues he clearly has.
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Which defenders doesn't need help from midfielders. Remember two seasons ago before Jose came to Chelsea how many were saying that Terry is past it. And now you often hear that he is so good that he makes Cahill look like top defenders.

Fact is it is much easier for a CB's to do their job in the way they wants if they have a protection from midfield and good full backs. Like every player on the pitch defenders have a week points to, every defenders. Problem is if you don't have a protection the opposite atackers will expose those weeknesses much more. Let's wait and see how our defenders do with good full backs and with balanced midfield. I think all our defenders will sudenly improve.
 
cyberman said:
From De Gea being unveiled ( always)next week to United willing to do a deal plus Navas to illegal clauses if De Gea isn't sold, it's clear that all these great sources you keep posting about aren't that great after all.
Articles that say what you want to say or agree with your views doesn't make them reliable.
No way Madrid get a sell on clause for Di Maria. Not a chance
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I don´t write my opinions to later look for the article,I read the article or the tweet and later I share it, with the link,I tend to be very gullible with the press but it´s up to you believe it or not ( I´d bet you thought that De Gea would renew when you had secured CL spot) and I also share negative things about Madrid and the structure of the club.
There are hundreds of contracts with commissions for the seller club but according to you Madrid ,categorically doesn´t have a clause, did you see the contract or you have some extra information to prove it?, I don´t know if is truth but I least share a link with the original source instead the "lazy journalism"/"bollocks".That is the same bad press that announced the preliminary agreement between United and Ramos and people seemed to believe it.
 
carvajal said:
I don´t write my opinions to later look for the article,I read the article or the tweet and later I share it, with the link,I tend to be very gullible with the press but it´s up to you believe it or not ( I´d bet you thought that De Gea would renew when you had secured CL spot) and I also share negative things about Madrid and the structure of the club.
There are hundreds of contracts with commissions for the seller club but according to you Madrid ,categorically doesn´t have a clause, did you see the contract or you have some extra information to prove it?, I don´t know if is truth but I least share a link with the original source instead the "lazy journalism"/"bollocks".That is the same bad press that announced the preliminary agreement between United and Ramos and people seemed to believe it.
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Seeing how such clauses are illegal, which you yourself were told by a Spanish journalist on twitter, I can't see how you can defend the reporting of them.
The Spanish press are only hearing Madrids version of negotiations, I doubt they have inside knowledge at old Trafford
I can actually see how this happens. Madrid think United have to sell so leak to marca that they're bidding 25m and expect the deal to go through.
Marca report this as fact. Deal will go through next week forgetting United have to accept.
The consistent noises from old Trafford briefings are no deal until they pay up. No concessions. Not one woodward briefing has indicated any slack but reliable Spanish journalist number 4 says the deal is close so that must be the case and, let's face it, is posted gleefully by yourself
Remember your Madrid 2 - 0 United post?.
 
Jerch said:
Which defenders doesn't need help from midfielders. Remember two seasons ago before Jose came to Chelsea how many were saying that Terry is past it. And now you often hear that he is so good that he makes Cahill look like top defenders.

Fact is it is much easier for a CB's to do their job in the way they wants if they have a protection from midfield and good full backs. Like every player on the pitch defenders have a week points to, every defenders. Problem is if you don't have a protection the opposite atackers will expose those weeknesses much more. Let's wait and see how our defenders do with good full backs and with balanced midfield. I think all our defenders will sudenly improve.
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Totally agree man, but there'll be no excuses for the Jones, Smalling etc., if the midfield does their jobs & the same frailties remain at the back..
 
Why would Pedro be in a rush to leave? If he stays for another week, he's probably going to get another medal and I'm guessing some kind of bonus with that.
 
cyberman said:
Seeing how such clauses are illegal, which you yourself were told by a Spanish journalist on twitter, I can't see how you can defend the reporting of them.
The Spanish press are only hearing Madrids version of negotiations, I doubt they have inside knowledge at old Trafford
I can actually see how this happens. Madrid think United have to sell so leak to marca that they're bidding 25m and expect the deal to go through.
Marca report this as fact. Deal will go through next week forgetting United have to accept.
The consistent noises from old Trafford briefings are no deal until they pay up. No concessions. Not one woodward briefing has indicated any slack but reliable Spanish journalist number 4 says the deal is close so that must be the case and, let's face it, is posted gleefully by yourself
Remember your Madrid 2 - 0 United post?.
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You didn´t answer my question, do you have some extra information to prove that Madrid is not going to get a % of Di María transfer?. I have been discussing this for several weeks, with different posters, each defending his position but I do not think I've ever said the deal was done, I bet with C´est moi Cantona that De Gea would be signed by Madrid, for 30/35 m €, this season and I stand. Of course I remember the 2-0 ,but I leave that to the unpopular opinions thread
 
I've never heard of percentage clause for an established player at such a mammoth price.
The 'you have to prove it's false or it's true' nonsense doesn't supercede common sense. I mean if you can point to previous examples then go ahead.
That screams trying to make United look bad because we won't sell you De Gea.
 
carvajal said:
You didn´t answer my question, do you have some extra information to prove that Madrid is not going to get a % of Di María transfer?. I have been discussing this for several weeks, with different posters, each defending his position but I do not think I've ever said the deal was done, I bet with C´est moi Cantona that De Gea would be signed by Madrid, for 30/35 m €, this season and I stand. Of course I remember the 2-0 ,but I leave that to the unpopular opinions thread
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If Madrid were due a sell on fee don't you think it would have been announced via the English and French media?
 
Macabre Wolf said:
If Madrid were due a sell on fee don't you think it would have been announced via the English and French media?
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The Spanish press continued reporting of this illegal 'failure to sign this summer' clause or the Di Maria 'winning the Balon Dor' clause or the ' penalty for joining Barca' clause and now the 'sell on fee' clause makes this nonsense easy to ignore. All reports originating from Spain as well.
Imagine if Di maria had a stormer of a season, won the Balon Dor and we sold him to Barca this summer, we'd end up owing Madrid 40 odd million ffs
 
cyberman said:
I've never heard of percentage clause for an established player at such a mammoth price.
The 'you have to prove it's false or it's true' nonsense doesn't supercede common sense. I mean if you can point to previous examples then go ahead.
That screams trying to make United look bad because we won't sell you De Gea.
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A concrete example of Madrid was the sale of Garay from Benfica to Zenith, the club had kept rights and got some extra money. In the same way probably United will get some % if Di María is again sold in the future. You don´t have to prove if is true or false, but don´t come categorically, as a expert journalist saying that is not truth. You are probably a fan like me clueless about professional sporting contracts. I am a fan from a different club than yourswith a different point of view about a transfer.Don´t look for conspirations where I write all this to underestimate or give the role of villain to your club.Something which otherwise has nothing to do with what we were writing
 
Macabre Wolf said:
If Madrid were due a sell on fee don't you think it would have been announced via the English and French media?
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I don´t know how deep are usually the articles about the content of the contracts. Usually they say the amounts, the release clause and the wages. For me 8m€ seems too much, but is what they wrote
 
carvajal said:
A concrete example of Madrid was the sale of Garay from Benfica to Zenith, the club had kept rights and got some extra money. In the same way probably United will get some % if Di María is again sold in the future. You don´t have to prove if is true or false, but don´t come categorically, as a expert journalist saying that is not truth. You are probably a fan like me clueless about professional sporting contracts. I am a fan from a different club than yourswith a different point of view about a transfer.Don´t look for conspirations where I write all this to underestimate or give the role of villain to your club.Something which otherwise has nothing to do with what we were writing
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Of course you can question this nonsense. It's not taken as gospel.
The fact the biggest profile example is Garay speaks volumes
 
'You can't prove it's false so...' is quite clearly false logic though. QPR's 20% sell-on clause on Sterling has been reported for ages, while Di Maria's supposed sell-on clause is only reported by one Spanish source just now. Of course we'll rightly laugh it off.
 
Lads, a reminder that this thread is to discuss tweets only. This is not a 1 for all thread.

If you want to discuss squads, etc take it to the football forums. Otherwise warnings and restrictions will be handed out.
 
Red Hand Devil said:
I know what you mean Jed, but maybe Pedro wants to play in that game - all of 15 minutes of it, at best though..
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Well that could certainly be an option that seems more likely, but the narrative the media have been peddling seems to be the "Barca refuse to let Pedro to before the super cup" version of it, which just seems plain ridiculous.
 
Damien said:
I think all at United wish we could sell players for more. Just seems to generally be a lack of interest/takers due to wages or some other reason so a lower fee ends up being accepted to get them off the wage bill.
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I'm not 100% sure about this one.

I agree with LVG that we seem to sell all our players are bargain basement prices, but this also applies to top class talent.
The only player who I think we got fair value for was Ronaldo.
RVN, Beckham - these guys were top class when sold and we sold at low prices. I mean if we bought RVN today, we'd probably have to pay £90M or thereabouts. Beckham would cost maybe £70M.
We have Di Maria, who we have just taken a loss on, in 1 year.
We now have De Gea who we dont want to sell and rival clubs feel they can offer a low price. Why? Because we are MUFC.
If we wanted to buy De Gea, from Madrid and he were their best player, with 1 year left on his contract, we'd probably have to spend £60M+. But if we sell our best player to Madrid: bargain basement.

With De Gea, at least, we have to take a stand, if only to show rival clubs that we will not sell top class players at bargain basement prices. If we give in now, rival clubs will continue to believe that we are the "pound shop" of the football world. You want a top class player for a bargain basement price? Shop at MUFC; you'll find a bargain there. I do wonder if maybe Spurs' Levy should sit in, during negotiations for our players sales/purchases. We'd save and make money on player purchases/sales.

EDITED: RVN, not RVP.
 
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Red Hand Devil said:
Totally agree man, but there'll be no excuses for the Jones, Smalling etc., if the midfield does their jobs & the same frailties remain at the back..
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I expect our defenders to continue to be weak.
Last year I remember, in any game, when the opposition had possession and they came into our own half, generally they would shoot at goal. De Gea would either save or the shot was off target.
This was the reason why De Gea became our player of the year - because he had many saves to make and our defenders struggled to protect our goal.
Our method of defending was holding possession.

Our main problem towards the end of last year was that we couldn't score goals - we defended well, as a team. So, lets see if (as a team), we can score goals.
 
Jev said:
32 million pounds. If we could get that amount for DDG and do a straight swap, that would be a decent outcome.
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And then sell him to Real/Barca in a few years time?

On a serious note, yes, I wouldn't mind selling De Gea for £20m, now. No point in keeping him here, he won't play much this season. Then, as you say, Oblak for £32m which is a decent piece of business.
 
Damien said:
I think all at United wish we could sell players for more. Just seems to generally be a lack of interest/takers due to wages or some other reason so a lower fee ends up being accepted to get them off the wage bill.
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What Chelsea do is make buyers know hey are happy to keep player unless valuation is met. That's what we are trying to do with DDG so fair enough. At the same time he only has a year left on his deal. If he had 2,3,4 (the situation when Chelsea have sold likes of Lukaku, De Bruyne, Schurrle et al) Madrid wouldn't have bid so low. Normally when we are asking selling it's because we just want rid of player so fee always low.
 
It'd be extremely shit to sell De Gea and not get Ramos, but it seems like things are going that way.
 
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