Exactly, rather a regular in the Championship than never playing the the PL
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He's a gem. I had huge hopes that he'd come on leaps and bounds training under ETH. I think those links really speak for themselves. Bruce and Wilder who manage the better teams of those four aren't playing anything close to the football we wish to establish under ETH. Eustace is more of an unknown quantity. And Millwall.
At worst I would be hoping he'd get a Prem loan or a decent European club. This is a player we bought for 10m and then wasted him in the U23s for too long and we've yet to define a position for him.
Have we not got a loan manager?
European clubs are interested too it seems. Braga plus two Spanish clubs
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That's a fecking relief. See on the club website that Les Parry is tasked with handling our loans. Been doing that since 2019. Hope he has a good brain on him.
Final decision over the next week or so apparently.
I'd be surprised if he's off before we known whether FDJ is actually coming. If it happens I guess ETH does not rate him.
The loan manager doesn't necessary solely decide where loan players go. He most likely is just the liaison officer. Would be the manager along with the football director and youth team managers who would decide.
I thought he would be tasked with sorting out which clubs are pertinent in terms of playing style and position, likely game time, the general character of the loan club's team and their manager. In short, everything. It hardly merits "loan manager" if you are just a liaison officer.
That being said, seems Alvaro Fernandez is doing his own due diligence by scoping out Preston.
Castles… 
(Wonder how Atletico will “sell” Griezmann)
(Wonder how Atletico will “sell” Griezmann)
Castles…
Castles is close to Mendes
Someone should start a Ronaldo for Griezeman swap thread to keep the inmates occupied.
Castles…
(Wonder how Atletico will “sell” Griezmann)
Man has no scruples. Happy to go to City and Atletico.
Griezeman Ronaldo swap could work although it would be swapping one egotistical bell end for another
He is indeed, very close.
Maybe Mendes can tell Castles how Atletico are going to transfer a player that’s on loan to them
Lord no
Read a longer article about Parry and a few other loan managers a while back, he seems to be perfect for the role. Basically he spent a more and more of his time following up on players that were on loan, since 2016-17 or possibly earlier (he joined the club in 2013). He's also recorded a christmas single.
Some interesting tidbits about the loan process: (article is from 2019)
Parry said: “If somebody is interested in a player, we encourage the player to go and watch the team in question. When Rochdale wanted Ethan Hamilton last season, we asked him to watch some of the games. Then we do prep work on things like cooking for themselves.”
Which seems to be what's happening with Fernández watching Preston. The cooking stuff is part of a bunch of skills they need to learn that they might need to know beforehand when moving to a smaller club, including media training. Also mentioned how psychologists are heavily involved with loan moves.
"At United, they have intensified the preparation work that now goes into loan moves. With every good intention, loan moves go wrong,” Parry says. “It is a guesstimate when you match up. We do a lot of preparation. Our psychologists are heavily involved. We have a lad in Norway (Aidan Barlow, on loan at Tromso) and that’s a massive change for him. But before a decision was made, we sat down with the psychologist to assess how he will cope."
Also, found this part interesting:
"Both Manchester United and Wolves now only approve deals where the loan club allow the parent club to regularly observe training sessions and to frequently call their head coach."
and this, regarding Parry following up on the players that move out on loan:
Parry says: “We sit down with their coaches before they go and pick three performance-based objectives. For George Tanner, on loan at Morecambe, it might be quality in the last third, improving his one v ones and improving his heading from long clearances. Our analyst will pull out those objectives from George’s games and we put that together as a package. They can then measure their progress against those particular objectives.
He’s 18 with Eriksen, Van De Beek and Bruno ahead of him. It’s not about not being rated. It’s about him needing games to develop him.
Let's see if Real Madrid takes the bait as we have. Probably not.
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Apparently, Griezmann's been offered to PSG already. However, they aren't interested.
Apparently, Griezmann's been offered to PSG already. However, they aren't interested.
He's on loan but they have an obligation to buy him for €40m within the next year - Castles does include that in the article.
Ouch thats looking a hefty fee for him now
Would be just as difficult for Athletico Madrid to find a buyer for Griezmann as it has been for Mendes to find a buyer for Ronaldo.
In 2023?
Yea, guess they have to pay up before the loan ends in 2023 but if they find someone stupid enough to give them the money straight back and take on his wages there's nothing stopping them paying it now.
Can imagine there might have been some call for us to have tried to do a deal involving Saul Niguez but for that unsuccessful loan spell at Chelsea.
feck off already. And good luck in scoring a lot for Simeone team, you prick
In all seriousness, I would like to see Mejbri at wall, but I can't seeing to being a good fit. Rowett is a good manager mind, maybe he could make it work.
If our hopes of Ronaldo leaving rest on Atletico finding a buyer for Griezmann then we're fecked.
It is obviously not going to happen. We can hope for it though.
He definitely could have some part in that. I don't work for the club to confirm that. But his role during the season would be to check in on the players.
Thanks for posting - very informative. And pretty strange that a club would need to negotiate having access to the player and the loaning club manager (not least when they're lower league and not a direct rival in any form). Seems very positive that they support them with psychologists to assess things more holistically and also get the players to do their own due diligence. Last season there were quite a few that didn't seem that well thought out though, and sure, you can say it is all guess work, but still, it is so precarious the development of players, especially foreign talent. I think Pellistri's loan to Alaves last season, Amad's loan to Rangers, and Laird going to Bournemouth midseason when he was a stellar performer at Swansea already, were all pretty poor outcomes.
Especially now that we have a proper trainer at the helm, you'd at least hope they don't go to some anti-football establishment just so they play matches. With Hannibal he's been wasted at U23s. But in terms of his development, you could say playing Championship football for a non-progressive side is better than playing U23s at United, granted. But those shouldn't be the only options.
Thanks to @Rolaholic in the Frenkie de Jong thread:
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The 3rd Tweet isn't exactly what Helena Condis reported, but it's close enough.
The key parts:
The 3rd Tweet isn't exactly what Helena Condis reported, but it's close enough.
Castles…
(Wonder how Atletico will “sell” Griezmann)
He’s broken everything Ronaldo related so far
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