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I didn’t expect everything to be fixed with one window but I can’t believe we’ll start the season with our current midfield. It was already short of quality then we lost Fellaini and Herrera and Matic legs have gone.

If Pogba gets injured then we’re in big trouble.

I'd be astounded if we didn't sign a midfielder. Clear negotiating strategy. Again, how people don't see through press releases is beyond me. If we brief the press with positive things people say it's BS, and of we brief them things like this then it's incompetence.

Since 2013, we have spent more than everyone bar one. The money has been largely wasted, as the recruitment strategy has been awful (signing players of a similar ilk to Dybala, funnily enough).

This summer we've spent more than anyone, but of course we're starting from a worse position due to past errors.

I think we'll get another in, and possibly two depending on what's happening with Lukaku. Even if not, splashing £130m on the defence should be more than enough to close the small gap to 4th (Arsenal and Chelsea are both weaker- the things written about Arsenal in here are all ridiculous, and all based on the Pepe signing which could flop massively. Their defence and midfield are both weaker. Chelsea lost their best player and have a transfer ban).

Then next summer we'll have to spend our resources on the midfield/ attacking area, and hopefully be in a position to challenge the top 2 a little better. The following summer we'll have to add whatever is missing in order to be genuine contenders.

This is how long it takes to fix 6 years of awful recruitment. We'll finish this window having spent around a third of our annual income on transfer fees alone, ignoring new contracts and signing on/ agent fees. Then we have astronomical wages to pay for the rest of the year.

People in here seem completely unaware or oblivious to real life football (this isn't aimed at you directly, btw). It's a tough market, with people asking daft sums of money for average players. So far it's been a good window, and there is no excuse to get in the top 4.

If we get in a top midfielder, it's a great window.

People also moan that we don't give youth a chance. Blocking all routes for the youth with new signings clearly isn't the way to go. This year I expect 4th place, but whilst demonstrating a clear identity and style worthy of United. The following year 3rd/ 4th again, but showing signs of being close to the top 2. The following year, we need to be fighting for the title, whilst accepting we might not win it.

What I have described is very similar to what Klopp did. He started from even further back than us, and spent less money in his first couple of seasons than we have this summer alone.
 
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I’m not an accountant but can’t understand why we keep giving new long-term contracts to players some might call deadwood for no obvious football reasons. Could it be that by doing so the club is driving up the asset value in the books, thus keeping up the stock-value, somehow “faking it” in the books? That’s got nothing to do with football decisions if true, only financial, how sad....
The manager doesn't consider them deadwood is the easiest answer.
 
You do know that the method you're advocating is the precise reason why we're currently in this mess, don't you? Managers coming in and making wholesale changes, and leaving a mish mash of mangled players and playing styles which result in an unmitigated disaster scene of a squad.

Ole knows where the issues are, but is constrained by a clueless board. In those circumstances to potentially fix what was our single biggest area of the squad is a considerable step forward. Ideally he would have liked a midfielder (Longstaff) as well, but it didn't happen. We'll likely bring him in next summer once Newcastle have been relegated.

You can tell by the profile of target he's going for that we're not setting ourselves up for immediate success, but gradual and incremental progression. He's growing a team together that will hopefully form the backbone of a successful team in the years, and potentially decade ahead.

Say what you want, but Ole's doing it the right way. He just needs the patience and forethought of the board and the fans. He has definitely got it from the latter (well, the ones that matter - who go to the games and put in the miles following the team week in and week out), I just hope he has it from the former.

I never said buying young talent was the wrong way. I just said that we have huge huge gaps in our squad that needed addressing and we haven't. I don't think Ole was nearly supported enough by the board this window. A top 4 challenge will be incredibly hard again next season and with every passing season without CL getting in the best talents around will be harder and harder. Not to mention that Ole himself will probably survive another but surely not two seasons without CL.

You can turn it whichever way you like. The 3 purchased players were decent signings but not nearly enough after the overhaul this squad needed. We will have Lingard, Perreria or Mata starting our games in the 10 position and who knows who will play in the right wing. And God forbid Pogba or even McTominay get injured. We are down to the bare bone in midfield. It's either Woodward that is useless or the board for not giving him the funds a proposed top club like us with record revenue should have.
 
Exactly. Even if we don't make the top 10 this season, at least it'll be interesting. I've given up hope of European football for next season now, and I look forward to the season with the youngsters trying their best to compensate for our dramatic under-investment.

I very much doubt Ole will be playing youngsters at all in the premier league, it'll be the same old dross.
 
Exactly. Even if we don't make the top 10 this season, at least it'll be interesting. I've given up hope of European football for next season now, and I look forward to the season with the youngsters trying their best to compensate for our dramatic under-investment.
Pull yourself together :lol:
 
Exactly. Even if we don't make the top 10 this season, at least it'll be interesting. I've given up hope of European football for next season now, and I look forward to the season with the youngsters trying their best to compensate for our dramatic under-investment.
And some people are surprised the likes of Dybala would rather be a sub at Juve than a starter for us. We are shambles and unfortunately many fans just accept it. Real Madrid fans would have set stadium on fire 5 years ago if they were as shocking as we are.
 
And some people are surprised the likes of Dybala would rather be a sub at Juve than a starter for us. We are shambles and unfortunately many fans just accept it. Real Madrid fans would have set stadium on fire 5 years ago if they were as shocking as we are.

Did you watch them last season? They are as shocking as we are. They just don't have 6 top teams competing for 4 CL spots so even when they suck they make it.
 
And some people are surprised the likes of Dybala would rather be a sub at Juve than a starter for us. We are shambles and unfortunately many fans just accept it. Real Madrid fans would have set stadium on fire 5 years ago if they were as shocking as we are.

Calm down bro :)
 
And some people are surprised the likes of Dybala would rather be a sub at Juve than a starter for us. We are shambles and unfortunately many fans just accept it. Real Madrid fans would have set stadium on fire 5 years ago if they were as shocking as we are.

Yep our fans lack ambition.
 
And some people are surprised the likes of Dybala would rather be a sub at Juve than a starter for us. We are shambles and unfortunately many fans just accept it. Real Madrid fans would have set stadium on fire 5 years ago if they were as shocking as we are.
Sorry but this is pathetic. Simplifying the Dybala scenario to suit the doom and gloom narrative was daft but that was the least hysterical part.
 
And some people are surprised the likes of Dybala would rather be a sub at Juve than a starter for us. We are shambles and unfortunately many fans just accept it. Real Madrid fans would have set stadium on fire 5 years ago if they were as shocking as we are.
Real Madrid isnt a club who lost their whole team in the 50s and won the European Cup 10 years later. Or were a game away from sacking Alex Ferguson and 9 years later he ended up getting a knighthood. Or seen the club relegated. Or look a spent force only to come back and win the Champions League again. They dont have our DNA. Our history shows we eventually come good out of the ashes. The fans are more forgiving because we've learned not to be trigger happy.
 
Real Madrid isnt a club who lost their whole team in the 50s and won the European Cup 10 years later. Or were a game away from sacking Alex Ferguson and 9 years later he ended up getting a knighthood. Or seen the club relegated. Or look a spent force only to come back and win the Champions League again. They dont have our DNA. Our history shows we eventually come good out of the ashes. The fans are more forgiving because we've learned not to be trigger happy.

You wouldn't think so reading the caf.
 
I'd be astounded if we didn't sign a midfielder. Clear negotiating strategy. Again, how people don't see through press releases is beyond me. If we brief the press with positive things people say it's BS, and of we brief them things like this then it's incompetence.

Since 2013, we have spent more than everyone bar one. The money has been largely wasted, as the recruitment strategy has been awful (signing players of a similar ilk to Dybala, funnily enough).

This summer we've spent more than anyone, but of course we're starting from a worse position due to past errors.

I think we'll get another in, and possibly two depending on what's happening with Lukaku. Even if not, splashing £130m on the defence should be more than enough to close the small gap to 6th (Arsenal and Chelsea are both weaker- the things written about Arsenal in here are all ridiculous, and all based on the Pepe signing which could flop massively. Their defence and midfield are both weaker. Chelsea lost their best player and have a transfer ban).

Then next summer we'll have to spend our resources on the midfield/ attacking area, and hopefully be in a position to challenge the top 2 a little better. The following summer we'll have to add whatever is missing in order to be genuine contenders.

This is how long it takes to fix 6 years of awful recruitment. We'll finish this window having spent around a third of our annual income on transfer fees alone, ignoring new contracts and signing on/ agent fees. Then we have astronomical wages to pay for the rest of the year.

People in here seem completely unaware or oblivious to real life football (this isn't aimed at you directly, btw). It's a tough market, with people asking daft sums of money for average players. So far it's been a good window, and there is no excuse to get in the top 4.

If we get in a top midfielder, it's a great window.

People also moan that we don't give youth a chance. Blocking all routes for the youth with new signings clearly isn't the way to go. This year I expect 4th place, but whilst demonstrating a clear identity and style worthy of United. The following year 3rd/ 4th again, but showing signs of being close to the top 2. The following year, we need to be fighting for the title, whilst accepting we might not win it.

What I have described is very similar to what Klopp did. He started from even further back than us, and spent less money in his first couple of seasons than we have this summer alone.

Well said, agree with everything you wrote.
 
Jesus, so much doom and gloom around here. Ole said it would take a few years to build the team he wanted. We've spent 145m and kept Pogba, our best player. If we can start the season strong I think we'll be fine. Top 4 is totally possible. We got Maguire and AWB - 2 fantastic signings that will improve our defense massively from last season. I understand we need a couple more signings to be competing with City and Liverpool but it'll take some time. I'm buzzing for the start of the season and can't wait for Maguire's debut - he's a brilliant signing for us.
 
I very much doubt Ole will be playing youngsters at all in the premier league, it'll be the same old dross.

Ole has always emphasized youth in his teams, and he also gave debuts to young players last year. His Molde team that won the Norwegian league was the youngest team in the league, and Greenwood and Chong got their debuts against PSG at a critical moment in a CL quarter final. This pre-season he has given as many minutes to youth as he has given to the older players. Everything he has done before points to him being a manager who has the use of young players as an integral part of his philosophy.

Why do you believe he suddenly will change?
 
And finish 6th again? Or worse.
You don't know that though do you. We've made a few good signings, let's just wait and see. Pre season has been good, better than I can remember for sometime actually, so let's wait and see before getting all hysterical and predicting you'll know where we finish before we've kicked a ball.

Chelsea have lost their best player, not signed anyone yet you still have us behind them? Ok
 
And finish 6th again? Or worse.

Just have to adjust expectations. Top 4 isn't happening with the midfield/attack in this state, so simply forget about it. Give the kids plenty of run outs (rather than the likes of Mata, Lingard, Jones, Rojo, Darmian, Young etc), hopefully play some entertaining stuff for a change and maybe we'll all actually be happier at the end of it. It has to be better than last season.
 
Did you watch them last season? They are as shocking as we are. They just don't have 6 top teams competing for 4 CL spots so even when they suck they make it.
Yea, and guess what, they signed like 5 players a month ago while we are going into next season with 1 good midfielder. As I said in some other post, we are 1 injury away from having worse season than Moyes one. Do you think it’s ok? I don’t.
 
And some people are surprised the likes of Dybala would rather be a sub at Juve than a starter for us. We are shambles and unfortunately many fans just accept it. Real Madrid fans would have set stadium on fire 5 years ago if they were as shocking as we are.
Yup but according to some on the caf our fans are "entitled" and "spoiled".
 
Real Madrid isnt a club who lost their whole team in the 50s and won the European Cup 10 years later. Or were a game away from sacking Alex Ferguson and 9 years later he ended up getting a knighthood. Or seen the club relegated. Or look a spent force only to come back and win the Champions League again. They dont have our DNA. Our history shows we eventually come good out of the ashes. The fans are more forgiving because we've learned not to be trigger happy.
Dear me.
 
Yep our fans lack ambition.

Haha that’s rich. You can have all the ambition in the world, but success takes time. We can’t go out making stupid deals. If we still are in negotiations with Dybala, and that’s a big if, we are doing the right thing to pressure him and his agent. If Dybala don’t want to join us, then we dodged a bullet. Our stand in this matter was more than justified.
 
Yea, and guess what, they signed like 5 players a month ago while we are going into next season with 1 good midfielder. As I said in some other post, we are 1 injury away from having worse season than Moyes one. Do you think it’s ok? I don’t.

And they still suck. And you're exaggerating. We're not one injury away from anything. For once the existing players would actually be expected to step up and improve. Fred, Andreas, Lingard, Lindelof, etc are in make it or break it situations. They'd just have to step ip. You can't keep buying £50 million midfielders and just keep them on the bench with no expectation of being able to deputize for Pogba if he gets injured. Both McTominay and Fred are directly replacing Herrera and Fellaini. We're not short of numbers - we're short of quality. But its not unreasonable for the club to think the existing players could/should improve.
 
Ole has always emphasized youth in his teams, and he also gave debuts to young players last year. His Molde team that won the Norwegian league was the youngest team in the league, and Greenwood and Chong got their debuts against PSG at a critical moment in a CL quarter final. This pre-season he has given as many minutes to youth as he has given to the older players. Everything he has done before points to him being a manager who has the use of young players as an integral part of his philosophy.

Why do you believe he suddenly will change?


He isn't managing Molde anymore mate. He's managing what he feels to be the biggest club in world football - this is pressure like nothing else he has or ever will experience. Once he starts dropping points, what do you think he's going to do? Throw the kids in the deep end to potentially have their confidence broken or revert to the usual bullshit of Young, Mata, Lingard, Matic etc and hope and pray that they do just enough to keep his head above water?

Some fans are in for a rude awakening this season. Ole is a football manager. He will look after his own best interests and rely on what he's familiar with when the shit hits the fan. And believe me, that fan is getting hit HARD at some point this season.
 
Exactly. Even if we don't make the top 10 this season, at least it'll be interesting. I've given up hope of European football for next season now, and I look forward to the season with the youngsters trying their best to compensate for our dramatic under-investment.

You're having a laugh if you think the kids are going to get much game time this season pal. Lingard etc. are going to be integral parts of the team.
 
And they still suck. And you're exaggerating. We're not one injury away from anything. For once the existing players would actually be expected to step up and improve. Fred, Andreas, Lingard, Lindelof, etc are in make it or break it situations. They'd just have to step ip. You can't keep buying £50 million midfielders and just keep them on the bench with no expectation of being able to deputize for Pogba.
That’s one of our biggest problems as well. Expecting mediocre players to just magically step up and save the world. Fred, Lingard, Perreira will not step up, they are just not good enough.
 
That’s one of our biggest problems as well. Expecting mediocre players to just magically step up and save the world. Fred, Lingard, Perreira will not step up, they are just not good enough.

People said the same for Lindelof after his one bad season. Maybe the truth is that players are rarely "good enough" or "not good enough" - quality comes and goes with things like stability, confidence, fitness levels, etc.

Example: Many would have said Di Maria is "good enough" yet he declared himself injured many times and didn't show us his best. Fletcher was "not good enough" but he stuck around and made big impacts. Lingard maybe "not good enough" right now. But I wouldn't put it past him to go on another scoring run and make important contributions this season.
 
Ole has always emphasized youth in his teams, and he also gave debuts to young players last year. His Molde team that won the Norwegian league was the youngest team in the league, and Greenwood and Chong got their debuts against PSG at a critical moment in a CL quarter final. This pre-season he has given as many minutes to youth as he has given to the older players. Everything he has done before points to him being a manager who has the use of young players as an integral part of his philosophy.

Why do you believe he suddenly will change?

Honestly, more to do with the fact we have 6 defenders ahead of Tuanzebe, he won't be played as Woody will want his money's worth out of the contracts he recently gave Rojo and Jones, same with Gomes and Mata, Greenwood I'm sure will make a few sun appearances, but it will be Martial/Rashford fighting for the main forward role, with the loser playing on the left more often with James on the right.

I hope your right, I just can't see Woodward letting Ole leave the like of Rojo, Jones, Young and Mata etc on the sidelines picking up decent wages after he's just given them new contacts, our football club is no longer run as a football club.

This is why I wanted to see a DoF here before the summer, not just for signings, but who to let go as giving Mata, Rojo and Young new contacts could only happen under the watchful eye of a banker looking to secure an asset.
 
Honestly, more to do with the fact we have 6 defenders ahead of Tuanzebe, he won't be played as Woody will want his money's worth out of the contracts he recently gave Rojo and Jones, same with Gomes and Mata, Greenwood I'm sure will make a few sun appearances, but it will be Martial/Rashford fighting for the main forward role, with the loser playing on the left more often with James on the right.

I hope your right, I just can't see Woodward letting Ole leave the like of Rojo, Jones, Young and Mata etc on the sidelines picking up decent wages after he's just given them new contacts, our football club is no longer run as a football club.

This is why I wanted to see a DoF here before the summer, not just for signings, but who to let go as giving Mata, Rojo and Young new contacts could only happen under the watchful eye of a banker looking to secure an asset.
What makes you think Woodward doesn't let the manager decide whose contracts are extended?
 
Exactly. Even if we don't make the top 10 this season, at least it'll be interesting. I've given up hope of European football for next season now, and I look forward to the season with the youngsters trying their best to compensate for our dramatic under-investment.
I think there is a solid chance for top 8
 
What makes you think Woodward doesn't let the manager decide whose contracts are extended?

I think the Evra interview makes it clear that extensions fall under Woodward's purview. He never mentioned the manager being involved about it.

I think what happens is Woodward's default action is to just renew contracts unless the manager has a strong view otherwise.
 
I never said buying young talent was the wrong way. I just said that we have huge huge gaps in our squad that needed addressing and we haven't. I don't think Ole was nearly supported enough by the board this window. A top 4 challenge will be incredibly hard again next season and with every passing season without CL getting in the best talents around will be harder and harder. Not to mention that Ole himself will probably survive another but surely not two seasons without CL.

You can turn it whichever way you like. The 3 purchased players were decent signings but not nearly enough after the overhaul this squad needed. We will have Lingard, Perreria or Mata starting our games in the 10 position and who knows who will play in the right wing. And God forbid Pogba or even McTominay get injured. We are down to the bare bone in midfield. It's either Woodward that is useless or the board for not giving him the funds a proposed top club like us with record revenue should have.

You say Ole wasnt supported, but wasnt it him that actually said we wont be making wholesale charges and only signing maybe up to four players or something similar. Maybe it is actually him that has this transfer line and he has got everybody he wanted and maybe the 4th player was Longstaff? There is a lot of anger at the board, but apart from these players has there been any genuine evidence of other players bar the Dybala swap?

I do agree with pretty much the rest of what you are saying, just wonder if our frustrations are possibly at the wrong person. he still seems to have a lot of faith in players he shouldnt, unless he really is playing puppet.

I personally thought the rebuild was huge 2xcb, rb, dm, cm (2 if pogba left), rw, cf that is 8 additions and probably actually 9/10 out.

Did think 2/3 of those 8 could be from the youngsters though. I think we have made a fantastic signing in Bissaka, a good signing in Maguire and in James will have to wait and see as knew little of him before signing.

Glad to see we have done a decent rebuild of our defence though as it reall has been awful but without a midfield addition I think we are heavily reliant on Pogba cycling the ball from a double pivot with consistency and discipline, on our usual attacking players beign consistent and also crying out for Gomes and Greenwood to break through in a big way if we are to be confident of a top four finish and all of those scenarios seem to be a lot to hope for individually let alone collectively.

I do think we will be there or there about in a top four fight this season, but people thinking it will be easy must have short term memories from where we were last year to how much the squad currently has been improved, maybe the fitness work and preseason under the belt may help, time will tell but just our first two games could have a bearing on us being n a flyer to Christmas or a P45 for the manager, could really go either way as last season did at times
 
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