He is absolutely not worth a punt at £20m. He can't get games at Southampton. Questions marks about his fitness and desire. Already shipped by Juventus and now by Southampton. It feels like some fans just want new faces without thinking what quality they add to the team.
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He is absolutely not worth a punt at £20m. He can't get games at Southampton. Questions marks about his fitness and desire. Already shipped by Juventus and now by Southampton. It feels like some fans just want new faces without thinking what quality they add to the team.
We are all glued to our phones or TV's waiting for some good news. We still need a few players in, and we will need more if/when Pogba and Lukaku goes. Maybe this is the hold up, but if these transfers go down to the wire we will lose out again.
We need top established players for our midfield as well as a leader at CB. Now is the time to move for these players, then negotiate the sales of the ones that want out.
We need top established players for our midfield as well as a leader at CB. Now is the time to move for these players, then negotiate the sales of the ones that want out.
why do posters include players we can get anyway in player plus cash deals?
Wheres the advantage?
Wheres the advantage?
Does he really want to come here though? I note Bale was allegedly offered even though he had/has no interest in coming here, I assume the same with Courtois given how desperate he was to get out of the UK and back to his Mrs in Madrid.
Ed has this right, telling Real to just give us the cash rather than creating further problems down the line with wantaway players.
People complain (rightfully) about our incompetence in selling players for their true worth, then say they’ll take 100m+Ceballos for Pogba.
I don’t understand this place sometimes.
I don’t understand this place sometimes.
Well if Real doesn’t have the cash and if Pogba really really wants to leave, our best bet is to get a good player in return. Cabellos seem happy to go to Spurs, so I think we can convince him, maybe
Other than the fact:
1) We can't seem to get any players in without being quoted twice as much as any other club. That will be even worse with £150m to spend.
2) There is no guarantee the funds will be spent on new players. The Glazers are likely to pocket some or not spend at all, just like when Ronaldo was sold
I didn’t mean Cabellos to be fair but if we deem him to be of a positive value then £120m plus him is a decent offer.
I think he is bang average myself, think I am in the minority here but I would happily sell him if we were in for good defenders
I agree.
Really wish in these circumstances Stone and Castle's addressed one another's conflicting 'intel' given they're saying the exact opposite
Ceballos is a 50 Million + player who is very talented and young. A deal that is effectively 150 million for Pogba is acceptable, what’s the problem?
I know mate there’s a few issues with taking the cash (inflated prices for replacements and also the Glazers pocketing the money) but they are things for us to concern ourselves with not the buying club.
If Madrid/Juve pull our pants down over the fee then we will look like mugs to every club in Europe. We need to set a precedent this summer with Pogba & Lukaku. Pay up or feck off. Same goes for that fat twat Raiola.
He can’t come out in the press with a sentence here and here to put pressure on us. I’d feck him off in the future and not be dictated to by the greedy prick and not buy his players. City don’t get in these situations so we as a much bigger club certainly shouldn’t.
If we wanted Messi some people on here would call him bang average
50 million for a player Real bought 2 years ago for less than 20, hasn't played that much and wasn't great when he did pay? What? Please, explain that?
If Ceballos would be £50m for us to buy then he’s worth much less in p/x for Pogba. We don’t need to shave off £50m or a player Madrid deem not good enough for them.
There are plenty of very talented and young players around, that doesn’t necessary mean he fits OGS’s plans.
If he was a once in a generation kind of talent, Madrid wouldn’t have been trying to swap him as a part of the deal.
Either way, 150m euros shouldn’t be enough in the current market.
They clearly want him bad, I hope we rinse them for every last penny.
Him not playing for Madrid isn’t really the best indication of whether he’s a good player or not, they’re a circus. There’s been many players that have gone to Madrid and not managed to break through but have proved themselves elsewhere, Robben and Sneijder etc. You also have to look at their actual midfield of Madrid, Kroos and Casemiro. All three in their peaks and all have been first choice undoubtedly. It’s a big ask for anybody to dislodge any of those three.
He’s worth that amount of money because of similar level players selling for similar amounts of money, Tielemans type players. If we signed him today for 50 million I would have zero complaints, I think he has massive potential and that primarily what makes him so valuable.
You are dodging the question, please explain the career move of going from Champions League finalist to Europa League contenders?
He doesn’t really need to be a “once in a generation talent” for us to consider him, don’t be dramatic.
An offer worth around 150 Million for Pogba, a player that clearly wants to leave seemingly to the detriment of our actual team is a perfectly fair offer IMO.
Not having that. A player doesn't increase 30 million in value over 17 starts in two seasons. He's been average as feck for them. he's not even close to a €50m player.
For what it's worth I don't think Tielemans is either.
Nope I disagree, so does the club.
When Madrid wanted Leandowski and he was sulking a bit, Bayern told Madrid to feck off and told the player to get on with it.
Not saying we should keep him at any cost, but just because he wants away doesn’t mean we should bend over for Madrid, like we usually do.
He has a contract here, and until we receive an offer that is worthy of his talents and marketing appeal, he should remain a Man United player.
If we want to get back to being a big club, we should start acting like one.
If we have truly rejected 100mil plus Ceballos I would be absolutely fecking filthy. In any other circumstances a player like that would cost us 80-90 mil. Ceballos is young and has huge potential, and would instantly replace a lot of the creativity we'd be losing with Pogba.
Seriously would be so angry if we had this offered to us and rejected it. What the feck do we need the extra 50 mil for? Maguire money?
I'd be absolutely shocked if anyone bought Ceballos for 50m. At least Tielemans showed something in the second half of last season, Ceballos got dropped out of the squad.
The word is that we do want to get rid of him though. Which obviously weakens our negotiation position.
probably because they know the Glazers won't spend the cash otherwise
Bingo. Especially if we leave the whole situation too late to get replacements in.
We're going to get money plus Bale aren't we? We're going to fold like Superman on laundry day.
He’s value has increased recently due to his good showing for the U21’s
Castles vs Stone.
I believe the latter
I believe the latter
Ceballos has fallen out with Zidane, when Zidane came back made it clear he does not want him at the team. Just like Icardi, everybode knows he's out, thus nobody will offer him much over the price he joinned madrid for 18m euros. United if they have little interest in Ceballos they will ask Madrid to pay 120-130m + Ceballos I assume.
We can revisit this in August, but anyone paying that for him should probably get their head checked.
Overrating of caballos is just something else, hardly played for Real but according to some he would cost 80-90 mil
I wasn't dodging the question. He came back to the club he thought would actually be going somewhere but that is far from the case. You’re acting like he had no affiliation with United when he left Juventus.
Overrating of caballos is just something else, hardly played for Real but according to some he would cost 80-90 mil
Thats too much of course, he would cost 40-50m though. Real got him for cheap.
Important fix, comrade.
Felt we'd end up taking Bale on deadline day in a panicked frenzy since day one of the transfer window and still feel the same.
is he better than fred?Overrating of caballos is just something else, hardly played for Real but according to some he would cost 80-90 mil
Let’s also not forget, when he went to Madrid for €18 Million or whatever it was, it was a release clause so not his true value. Madrid agreed to pay a few million euros extra so they didn’t have to trigger the clause and presumably could structure the payment. Barca and Madrid both fought to sign him he’s a very talented player with massive potential.
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