We are only selling Lukaku because he doesn't fit our style of play, or the one that Ole wants to play cause at the moment we don't have one. He's not a bad player and he'll probably score close to 30 goals or even more if he goes elsewhere. We shouldn't accept anything less than 60m and if they want a swap deal it must be a player we want not a 30 year old left winger, we need players on the right.
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I thought it was 24m and 15m...but anyway, footballers are not cars.
If our "clever" accounts team think they can cover the embarrassment of a loss that way, then fair enough.
But a 26 year old footballer has not depreciated just because he only has 3 years left instead of 5.
We obviously massively overpaid, but that doesn't mean we have to be some beacons of "fair" price or something and let him go for a small fee.
I see where you're coming from, but the Balance Sheet is almost never a reflection of reality. No offense to any accountants on the Caf, but accounting is all about taking the objective facts and applying a subjective lens, painting them in the best light possible (or to meet whatever ends the business desires). Case in point: let's say United buys a young player for 50M (suspension of disbelief will be required for this hypo). Let's say that player improves substantially in his four years here and tells us he won't be signing a new contract. We should expect his value to have appreciated significantly on the transfer market. Yet, United could still depreciate his value on the Balance Sheet - it's just that the depreciation would be an accounting myth, not an accurate reflection of reality. Depreciating player values is in itself a blurring of the truth. It makes sense to depreciate the value of tangible objects, improvements, and intellectual property, but from a logical perspective it is both gross and impossibly hard to depreciate the value of a living, breathing human being.
All that to say, I totally understand why you'd make that argument (especially because of Woodward), but it doesn't make sense even if you take into account only caring about the accounting on the sale. No owner is going to want to see the club regularly spending more to acquire a player than they get back via the sale of said player, unless that player is older when he's bought and thus his value should be rationally expected to decrease over the course of his contract. There surely has to be a point where, even if you allow that Woody may only care about the accounting numbers, he won't accept an unreasonably low figure considering our initial outlay.
Thanks, a good synopsis of the Perisic thread from last summer. Then I saw him at the World Cup and realised that the Caf was wrong.
Pogba?
and yet, Inter are willing to let go...
Tier 1 on Reddit
And ignore his club performance for last 2 seasons which was just average.
No hate, he's just mediocre.
Ole at United
Lampard at Chelsea
Come on Stevie G!!
Lampard at Chelsea
Come on Stevie G!!
World Cup is one thing (Forlan, James, Klose have looked world class for a month), and club form over a long season is another. I see my fair share of Inter, he's mediocre.
According to Corriea de manha who are tier 4 on Reddit.
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how does one groeI thought there was a higher tier claiming he was off to Wolves?
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Unsurprisingly they embellished what the article said. I've updated the posts with a tweet with link to the original article if anyone wants to read. Anyway, the offer which hasn't actually been formally placed, is €90M rising to €120M (his release clause) if conditions are met - bit like with Martial. The tweet from the fake Utd Xtra made it sound like we just placed a flat €90M.
Anyway, I wouldn't place too much weight. Like Adnan says Correio are unreliable.
I think it was a Wolves fans twitter account..
I thought there was a higher tier claiming he was off to Wolves?
Report is true because I've read it. The aggregator account is irrelevant.
It's what United argued in the early 2000s about Veron:
https://www.theactuary.com/archive/old-articles/part-2/discounting-footballers/
You can pick a different cost model if you like. But you can't deny that it's been used historically.
I'm not arguing for it one way or the other.
Wow, another manager for Chelski. Lampard in! Lamps v. Ole is gonna be sweet. As long as Hazard goes and we make some good moves in the market, and Cheslki are still banned from transfers.
I know report is true, I saw it posted elsewhere. I said that account is fake and it's hard to take any news from that account seriously. It's better to post the actual link rather than from fake accounts.
Look at the tweets.
Bruno fernandes “admires” Pep Guardiola and Man City. He wants a move to city and “dreads” the idea of playing at #mufc whilst Ole Gunnar Solskjaer is manager. He believes ole is “average and clueless”. [lisbon mauo jorno]
De ligt will NOT join #mufc. #lfc are expected to sign the Dutch wonder kid. [simon stone]
Man Utd will announce de ligt tomorrow at 5pm. This is because he will be number 5 (all part of the pr). #mufc
De ligt is expected to have a medical next Monday. Transfer fee, personal terms and agents fees have been sorted. Ed has done it boys! #mufc
#mufc are planning to place a bid for Alberto Moreno. The bid will be over £30m. Ole sees him as the final piece of the jigsaw in defence!
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer has been sacked as #mufc manager!! Source [bbc sports]
Official #mufc will start with -9 points next season because of tapping up de ligt
Real Madrid: We've waited years so we could grab Hazard at a bargain price. You can not be serious wanting 110m euros with one year left.
Our biggest ever legend, but would be utterly ridiculous to appoint Lamps at this point. Especially if the club decide to lay on the sword and accept the transfer ban as is being suggested.
No Hazard, no Hudson-Odoi or RLC for possibly half the season, no signings. All with a manager with 1 season of experience in a lower league.
No Hazard, no Hudson-Odoi or RLC for possibly half the season, no signings. All with a manager with 1 season of experience in a lower league.
Anything over £50m and we have a good deal. We massively over paid for him and he hasnt got any better since he has been here. Was always a poor signing that didnt fit what we needed. Kind of ties in that th eplayers mainly Mourinho signed and/or supposedly wanted were virtually all the wrong ones, bought for his style of football....ironic that since leaving he did seem to have the right opinion on the players that should leave on the whole though
Absolutely, he has virtually everytime I have seen him play been good for Croatia, especially at major tournaments.......and bar a couple of games, extremely average for his clubs and he is hardly at the right age now.
I am no fan at all of Lukaku, but selling him for £30m or under and Perisic would actually be an even worse deal than us paying £80m odd for him in the first place....and that is saying something
A Lukaku fee around £60m going a long way towards the possible signings of a DeLigt, Pepe, Felix, Upamecano, Bissaka would be tremendous business, selling a bang average player with a SUnday league first touch that was never good enough and certainly doesnt fit in with the kind of football we apparently want to move towards and signing a highly talented young player with genuine world class potential which most of these players have, this is what we should be doing, sell them if they dont want to be here Pogba, Lukaku, even DeGea, we have £250m worth of players and others on high wages that dont seem to be happy here and have done little to justify a huge need to fight to keep. We could rebuild the side pretty much and we need to, that is obvious to most fans
I mentioned Corriea De Manha as the source. Everything else you wrote in your essay is irrelevant.
It's not essay, it's the tweets from the account you posted. I would have posted the links but it just spams this thread and the Redcafe tweet feature.
From the OP.
DON'T:
- Post anything from clear BS accounts.
- Post anything from aggregator sites (Utdreport etc) who don't link to original source and tend to make stuff up for retweets/follows.
The news I posted was legit..
Just to correct this. A balance sheet is focused entirely on presenting a true and fair view of the assets and liabilities of a company in such a way as to reliable measure the value of a conpany.
I agree there are subjective measurements and an impairment review in many ways would make more sense than a straight depreciation. But from a control and true and fair perspective the reality is you have limited control over the future economic value of a player beyond the life of the contract.
There is no guarantee a player will re-sign and this does mean the controllable value declines over the length of the contract.
This said whilst im an accountant, I can't pertain to be an expert in the niche area of player accounting. It's a very specialist area and how for example would you revalue a depreciating asset on any reliable basis if you know that the market has materially appreciated.
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Man it's not hard to understand. No one said the news was fake, we have seen it in different places and also @Damien posted with original link. It's clearly mentioned in the Rules, not to post anything from BS account or from twitter accounts which doesn't link the original source.
You and others who posts tweets make it easy for us to follow transfers but it's always better to avoid the BS accounts. Just post the direct link or from proper accounts.
I've been posting in here long enough to know what is bullshit and what isn't. If Damien feels I've broken any rules, then I'm sure he'll let me know. Until then, you concentrate on your scouting duties in the newbie section and stop creating petty arguments for no reason.
Wonder why Damien edited the post to remove the tweet from that BS account
It's not petty argument, the rules are clear to avoid posting tweets from BS/fake accounts.
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