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Richarlison would be a good signing but we are talking about 100m minimum.
 
breakout67 said:
I dont care what people thought about him on the caf. My point was about our transfer strategy, picking the promising talents from the small clubs and taking a risk with them. The only ones that fill that criteria are Shaw and Schneiderlin, 2 times in 6 years. Its madness to sign players based on them being a guaranteed success, thats how you piss money down the drain because you go for big names. Good scouting of the league that allows you to take educated risks, that's what we have sorely missed in my opinion.

Docoure
Richarlison
Rice
Wan Bissaka
Ake
Brooks
Jota
Ndidi

Not not all of these players will be a success, but transfers are never 100% successful. You take risks in the market for future reward.
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To be fair, except for one or two , those are still mid table signing and will not help you move forward as a club.
Richarlison ,AWB & Rice - agree with you but the rest are kind of underwhelming signings.
 
Inigo Montoya said:
It does say ‘could ‘ so it’s the usual speculative nonsense.
Don’t know why people bite
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From the article:
Last week it is understood that Richarlison’s name was raised with the United hierarchy, before the Champions League quarter-final second leg away to Barcelona, although it remains to be seen how prominent he is in their thinking as they plan their recruitment drive
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Although leaders aren't really "born" - I prefer to think they are made - you still have to WANT to be a leader in order to be one. When you look at our dressing room, what natural leaders do we actually have? Players who exemplify the top of their trade both in terms of excellence of performance, and excellence of mentality? Where are the examples for the young players? I am all for the signing of young exciting talents, but where are the pillars of experience and excellence that those young starlets will be built around? Back in 95-96 when Fergie's Fledglings came through and replaced Ince, Kanchelskis, Parker, and Hughes; the team had leaders like Pallister, Bruce, Irwin, Keane (although only 24 but Championship winning and fearsome), and Cantona to look up to and learn from. People to hold up as role models.

Now fast forward to next season. When I look at our team sheet, there are only five players that I look at and say they should be in serious contention for a starting first team spot; De Gea, Lindelof, Shaw, Pogba, and Rashford. McTominay is on the cusp, perhaps. Certainly has the right spirit. But of those players, only De Gea and Pogba have top, top level experience and performances, and are they the leaders, the role models, round which we are able to build our team? Pogba, while talented, has an odious agent and highly questionable attitude. Despite the talent. The only real leader in that dressing room is Young, and he is massively shite on a football pitch.

People for aeons have been under rating the value of experience and leadership. Rooney, for example, was not good enough to be a first team starter for United any more. Not even close. But this guy was a natural winner, forged in the crucible of peak Ferguson. I would much rather have had him as a squad player into his mid thirties, than Alexis fecking Sanchez. Imparting his never say die, and will to win attitude on the younger players in the squad. Seriously, players like Pat Evra shoudl have been kept at this club as understudies, in rotational roles, well into their 30s. Especially through such a massive transition at all other levels. He never could have been worse as a deputy left back than the shite we've had there over the last 5 years. The last leader we had in the squad was Ibrahimovich. Somebody young players could actually listen to. What we have now are a collection of directionless young people.

This club has been so grossly mismanaged in the last five years, as to be disgraceful. What we decide to do moving forwards is anyone's guess. But until we get a sense of leadership and excellence back in that dressing room, we are going nowhere fast. Where that comes from, I don't know. I see us linked to a lot of exciting young players, but that won't be enough. Sometimes the most important cog in the team is the least glamorous.
 
bond19821982 said:
To be fair, except for one or two , those are still mid table signing and will not help you move forward as a club.
Richarlison ,AWB & Rice - agree with you but the rest are kind of underwhelming signings.
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All of that is irrelevant. It doesn't matter whether some random guy like me and you thinks these guys are 'mid table' quality. It looks clear to me that we do not scout for these players.

If you want to look at clear examples look at Kante. Kante was chased by 2 PL clubs Chelsea and Arsenal. Wenger said that Chelsea offered him more wages and so he went there. Kante said in an interview that Jose Mourinho called him after he was appointed as our manager, but it was too late because he had done everything with Chelsea. So no one at our club made an approach for him when our midfield was Carrick, Fellaini and Rooney!

No one thought that Kante would be an amazing addition to our midfield until we hired a new manager. That is a huge problem.
 
simonhch said:
Although leaders aren't really "born" - I prefer to think they are made - you still have to WANT to be a leader in order to be one. When you look at our dressing room, what natural leaders do we actually have? Players who exemplify the top of their trade both in terms of excellence of performance, and excellence of mentality? Where are the examples for the young players? I am all for the signing of young exciting talents, but where are the pillars of experience and excellence that those young starlets will be built around? Back in 95-96 when Fergie's Fledglings came through and replaced Ince, Kanchelskis, Parker, and Hughes; the team had leaders like Pallister, Bruce, Irwin, Keane (although only 24 but Championship winning and fearsome), and Cantona to look up to and learn from. People to hold up as role models.

Now fast forward to next season. When I look at our team sheet, there are only five players that I look at and say they should be in serious contention for a starting first team spot; De Gea, Lindelof, Shaw, Pogba, and Rashford. McTominay is on the cusp, perhaps. Certainly has the right spirit. But of those players, only De Gea and Pogba have top, top level experience and performances, and are they the leaders, the role models, round which we are able to build our team? Pogba, while talented, has an odious agent and highly questionable attitude. Despite the talent. The only real leader in that dressing room is Young, and he is massively shite on a football pitch.

People for aeons have been under rating the value of experience and leadership. Rooney, for example, was not good enough to be a first team starter for United any more. Not even close. But this guy was a natural winner, forged in the crucible of peak Ferguson. I would much rather have had him as a squad player into his mid thirties, than Alexis fecking Sanchez. Imparting his never say die, and will to win attitude on the younger players in the squad. Seriously, players like Pat Evra shoudl have been kept at this club as understudies, in rotational roles, well into their 30s. Especially through such a massive transition at all other levels. He never could have been worse as a deputy left back than the shite we've had there over the last 5 years. The last leader we had in the squad was Ibrahimovich. Somebody young players could actually listen to. What we have now are a collection of directionless young people.

This club has been so grossly mismanaged in the last five years, as to be disgraceful. What we decide to do moving forwards is anyone's guess. But until we get a sense of leadership and excellence back in that dressing room, we are going nowhere fast. Where that comes from, I don't know. I see us linked to a lot of exciting young players, but that won't be enough. Sometimes the most important cog in the team is the least glamorous.
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Fair points but what’s this got to do with anything in here?
 
Rozay said:
Fair points but what’s this got to do with anything in here?
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Really in reference to the players we are linked to. Good young players. Rice, Fernandes, Sancho, Wan Bissaka. All players I am for signing. But where are the leaders? The role models? This is something largely unaddressed. Maybe not the best thread for it. But ho hum.
 
simonhch said:
Really in reference to the players we are linked to. Good young players. Rice, Fernandes, Sancho, Wan Bissaka. All players I am for signing. But where are the leaders? The role models? This is something largely unaddressed. Maybe not the best thread for it. But ho hum.
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How many leaders can you think.of in world football right now akin to Keane etc? And how many of those are attainable for us right now?

I'm with you, we need more leaders on the pitch, not just one but several. But I just don't see as many anymore. De Ligt seems a real exception though and I would fight tooth and nail for him.
 
Give me Icardi everyday of the week over Richarlison... One thing Icardi is very very good at is finishing off chances, something currently all our striker lack.
 
Pav1878 said:
How many leaders can you think.of in world football right now akin to Keane etc? And how many of those are attainable for us right now?

I'm with you, we need more leaders on the pitch, not just one but several. But I just don't see as many anymore. De Ligt seems a real exception though and I would fight tooth and nail for him.
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Agree about De Ligt. But leadership doesn't mean necessarily that they are ferocious, vociferous people and players. Leadership comes in many forms. As I said before, in footballing terms, this means excellence in performance and excellence in mentality. A quick example, the City team has some clear leaders in there. Role models for younger players. Kompany, Aguero, Fernandinho, Silva. Players that Sterling, Bernardo, De Bruyne, Jesus are gleaning so much off. Liverpool have excelled with players exhibiting various form of leadership through excellence. Becker, Van Dijk, Milner, Salah down the spine of their team. Milner, who is a fairly decent, yet unremarkable footballer, but an absolutely top rate professional. A role model.

Ole said a few weeks ago that a huge part of recruitment has to be delving into the mentality of players before they are bought. I hope this is true. Because we really can't afford to fill the squad with players of the talent but mentality of players like Martial. martial will only ever be a top player if he is surrounded by professional excellence - not necessarily talent. He needs that to fulfill his potential. Who is he learning from now? Pogba? Lingard? Lukaku? Disaster.

People scoff at the likes of Bale. And I would absolutely not take him for a huge fee. But if he was available for a knock down fee, and cost us similiar or less wages than Sanchez. He'd be a huge upgrade. A player who has done it all and seen it all, and is obviously a dedicated, model professional. This squad needs to be infused with a combination of experienced winners, and young hungry players. One doesn't really work without the other.
 
Lukaku and Pogba can both go for all I care. It isnt like its Ronaldo or Cantona leaving. I dont think our manager will go to France riding on the back of a Harley to get either of them to sign a new deal.
 
Richarlison is the right type of player should be targeting ( versatile technical forward) but he isn't the guy. He's very un Brazilian like.
 
So, on their way according to tomorrow's papers: De Gea (PSG), Bailly (Arsenal/Lyon), Pogba (Real Madrid), Sanchez (anywhere!), Lukaku (Inter).

Hopefully we're planning to sign someone, too.
 
Losing both Pogba and Lukaku would make me sad. I really do not feel confident with what is going on.
 
haram said:
Losing both Pogba and Lukaku would make me sad. I really do not feel confident with what is going on.
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Not losing them, but what this club will do with the money. We sold Ronaldo and got Owen, Obertan and Valencia to replace him. Any player can be replaced (unless he is GOAT like Messi and Ronaldo), we've lost better players than those two but because it was SAF we were in good hands. Not anymore.
 
breakout67 said:
Not losing them, but what this club will do with the money. We sold Ronaldo and got Owen, Obertan and Valencia to replace him. Any player can be replaced (unless he is GOAT like Messi and Ronaldo), we've lost better players than those two but because it was SAF we were in good hands. Not anymore.
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Yeah, I really don't feel confident that we will build the team properly when they leave.
 
Can you blame Pogba ?

While he thought Jose was bad, Ole is worse. He asked him to partner with Fred against the best midfield in the country. Create a base for Pogba and he will shine. Why is it so difficult to understand ?
 
Wouldn't be overly fussed if Pogba/Lukaku left - provided we replace them with actual quality.

Top class (or potentially top class) creative midfielder + a goalscorer.

If you believe everything you read, I reckon a good (but super active) window should look like this:

OUT
Romelu Lukaku
Paul Pogba
Alexis Sanchez
Ander Herrera
Juan Mata
Marcos Rojo
Matteo Darmian
Phil Jones
Antonio Valencia

IN
Mauro Icardi (swap with Rom)
Bruno Fernandes - £75m
Hirving Lozano - £35m
Adrien Rabiot - Free
Ruben Neves - £65m
Toby Alderweireld - £25m
Thomas Meunier - £25m

Gross Spend - £225m

Potential XI:

Martial - Icardi - Lozano
Rabiot - Bruno
Neves
Shaw - Alderweireld - Lindelof - Meunier
De Gea​
 
Seth.R said:
Wouldn't be overly fussed if Pogba/Lukaku left - provided we replace them with actual quality.

Top class (or potentially top class) creative midfielder + a goalscorer.

If you believe everything you read, I reckon a good (but super active) window should look like this:

OUT
Romelu Lukaku
Paul Pogba
Alexis Sanchez
Ander Herrera
Juan Mata
Marcos Rojo
Matteo Darmian
Phil Jones
Antonio Valencia

IN
Mauro Icardi (swap with Rom)
Bruno Fernandes - £75m
Hirving Lozano - £35m
Adrien Rabiot - Free
Ruben Neves - £65m
Toby Alderweireld - £25m
Thomas Meunier - £25m

Gross Spend - £225m

Potential XI:

Martial - Icardi - Lozano
Rabiot - Bruno
Neves
Shaw - Alderweireld - Lindelof - Meunier
De Gea​
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That won’t happen. Nor has there been any indication whatsoever that Phil Jones will be leaving.
 
Rozay said:
That won’t happen. Nor has there been any indication whatsoever that Phil Jones will be leaving.
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Whilst I agree - it's not outside the realms of possibility imo. All those players are attainable and within budget.

Probably daft to have that many incomings into the starting XI, but it's not like we play with cohesion right now anyway.

Re: Phil Jones - hope more than anything.
 
Seth.R said:
Wouldn't be overly fussed if Pogba/Lukaku left - provided we replace them with actual quality.

Top class (or potentially top class) creative midfielder + a goalscorer.

If you believe everything you read, I reckon a good (but super active) window should look like this:

OUT
Romelu Lukaku
Paul Pogba
Alexis Sanchez
Ander Herrera
Juan Mata
Marcos Rojo
Matteo Darmian
Phil Jones
Antonio Valencia

IN
Mauro Icardi (swap with Rom)
Bruno Fernandes - £75m
Hirving Lozano - £35m
Adrien Rabiot - Free
Ruben Neves - £65m
Toby Alderweireld - £25m
Thomas Meunier - £25m

Gross Spend - £225m

Potential XI:

Martial - Icardi - Lozano
Rabiot - Bruno
Neves
Shaw - Alderweireld - Lindelof - Meunier
De Gea​
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That's an underwhelming team.
 
Seth.R said:
Wouldn't be overly fussed if Pogba/Lukaku left - provided we replace them with actual quality.

Top class (or potentially top class) creative midfielder + a goalscorer.

If you believe everything you read, I reckon a good (but super active) window should look like this:

OUT
Romelu Lukaku
Paul Pogba
Alexis Sanchez
Ander Herrera
Juan Mata
Marcos Rojo
Matteo Darmian
Phil Jones
Antonio Valencia

IN
Mauro Icardi (swap with Rom)
Bruno Fernandes - £75m
Hirving Lozano - £35m
Adrien Rabiot - Free
Ruben Neves - £65m
Toby Alderweireld - £25m
Thomas Meunier - £25m

Gross Spend - £225m

Potential XI:

Martial - Icardi - Lozano
Rabiot - Bruno
Neves
Shaw - Alderweireld - Lindelof - Meunier
De Gea​
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I love doing shit like this too but then I get angry at myself for realising it's ridiculous and would never happen in real life.
 
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