Transfer Tweets - 2018/19 | Remember if posting foreign language tweets to post in English too

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Lash said:
Someone like palace or Burnley could do with someone like Rossi. He’s just made of glass though, no one will take that gamble
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Highly doubt a PL club will take the risk tbh.
NinjaFletch said:
That's possibly true, but it's not the Telegraph's original reporting. They're all quoting the press association (including Stone) and everyone else is pretty clear (including Rossi himself) that he's just training with the club. By far the most likely explanation is that the Telegraph made a mistake when hashing up the story from the PA report.
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Yeah I think you're right.
Hans Moleman said:
What part of him laughing off being a coach was confusing to you? He is working on his fitness, that's it
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The tweet from Simon Stone that I linked confused me as I took the @ in "Guiseppe Rossi to train @ManUtd" as silent. So I initially understood it as he was training/coaching the players at the club as opposed to training at the club - which was in line with what the Telegraph report said as well. It's obviously not the case though.
 
abdo99 said:
No, we don't need battering ram option to change game as Ole has already proved at Newcastle. He's done nothing for two months and this myth that he changes games never dies. Why waste our energy on limited average mmidfielder that change game once every 15 games? It's a waste of spot . And can be easily be filled with midfielder that's got good basics and excels every game. I don't understand why people want to hang on. He belongs to the past failed regimes and remains a symbol of the mediocrity post SAF.
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You are talking as if SAF never had mediocre players. This biased profiling of mediocrity based on the players you like, wouldn't work.
No one is arguing he is good to start. He is a good optiom to come from bench and its a fact.
 
bond19821982 said:
You are talking as if SAF never had mediocre players. This biased profiling of mediocrity based on the players you like, wouldn't work.
No one is arguing he is good to start. He is a good optiom to come from bench and its a fact.
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It's only a fact when we have shithouse negative managers who resort to hoofball. Fellaini would not be a good option to bring on for any top team in Europe. In none of those teams do I see a lanky clown on the bench whose only use is to bring on and hoof long balls to. It seems as if many United fans have accepted that because that's been the way we've played for 5 years, that is now our level. Well it's not.
 
AaronRedDevil said:
Jeez I get it. Not every person is going to know every bloody moment in football. I know the Headbutt, Handball, Rooney and Roonie etc. At the time I was young so didn't really give a damn about England in the tournament, only watched Ireland. We didn't exactly have much channels on the tv. Plus I've barely ever heard about that moment. I wouldn't get pissed if some on here didn't know about the France handball. It is what is it!
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No problem mate. It was more that some of us is getting old :)
 
breakout67 said:
I already did this analysis in the Fellaini thread earlier in the season and you ignored it. (You bring this Fellaini plan B stuff up all the time even when it's refuted over and over).
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Which thread was that? To be honest i don't remember having that conversation, i can't find it in the Fellaini performance thread. I almost never ignore peoples posts directed to me, do you have a link?

I'm happy to admit i'm wrong if that turns out to be the case.

breakout67 said:
I analysed games that we were drawing or losing at half time and found that Rashford was by far the most common substitute and Fellaini was right at the bottom with Mata.
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Why only at half time, we can be losing or drawing at any point in the 2nd half of a game?

Also Mourinho almost always brought Rashford on if he was on the bench whether we were winning, losing or drawing, so i'm not sure that alone tells us anything. Who was the 2nd player brought on the most times? Do you have these stats?

breakout67 said:
In fact, this idea that Fellaini is moved up top when we are drawing or losing when he starts is unfounded because it doesn't happen all that often. Not only are these games rare (due to Fellaini playing against weaker opposition in general) but Fellaini was practically substituted as much as stayed on the pitch in these situations. Not to mention there were many games where he started and wasn't moved up top.
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I can remember it happening quite often, but again if you have the stats to prove that i'm mistaken i would welcome them.

(You bring this Fellaini plan B stuff up all the time even when it's refuted over and over)
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I do because thats my opinion, and i have posted stats many times to back that opinion up. I don't remember it being refuted yet, quite often people who think he's this amazing plan B when faced with the stats and just how few goals and assists Fellaini has off the bench in games we're chasing move the goalposts.

Then the argument immediately turns to intangibles like he's a ''handful'' or ''nuisance'' in the opposition box. Yes he is but how often has that actually lead to anything positive. As far as i know no one has looked into it and compiled a list of how many times Fellaini being a nuisance saves games for us.
 
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ayushreddevil9 said:
What does he mean by 'someone will come'? Can't he scout a player and ask the board to sign him?
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No, he can't. The club will find a player that correspond to their needs and also fits within FFP, the latter point is the current problem, they are looking for a relatively cheap option.
 
JPRouve said:
No, he can't. The club will find a player that correspond to their needs and also fits within FFP, the latter point is the current problem, they are looking for a relatively cheap option.
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But isn't that the job of the manager to tell the club who he needs to get the best out of his tactics?
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
But isn't that the job of the manager to tell the club who he needs to get there best out of his tactics?
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He is the head coach not the manager, he coaches the first team and that's it. Antero Henrique is the one building it with El Khelaifi, also they know what they need, the issue is that there isn't a lot of players that fit that need at a price that interest them.
 
JPRouve said:
He is the head coach not the manager, he coaches the first team and that's it. Antero Henrique is the one building it with El Khelaifi, also they know what they need, the issue is that there isn't a lot of players that fit that need at a price that interest them.
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That's such a flawed strategy. So many ways the new player doesn't sit well with the coach and his plans. Then the coach will end up getting sacked if the team doesn't perform as per expectations.
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
That's such a flawed strategy. So many ways the new player doesn't sit well with the coach and his plans. Then the coach will end up getting sacked if the team doesn't perform as per expectations.
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Well that's the strategy of pretty much every clubs on earth. And it doesn't mean that they are going to sign players that the manager expressly doesn't want, they know the type of player needed because they brought the head coach based on a given style and approach. And anyway he doesn't have the time, network or expertise to scout players.
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
That's such a flawed strategy. So many ways the new player doesn't sit well with the coach and his plans. Then the coach will end up getting sacked if the team doesn't perform as per expectations.
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Is it all that flawed? The club has a vision of what they want, doesn't matter who the head coach is.
 
SalfordRed18 said:
Is it all that flawed? The club has a vision of what they want, doesn't matter who the head coach is.
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JPRouve said:
Well that's the strategy of pretty much every clubs on earth. And it doesn't mean that they are going to sign players that the manager expressly doesn't want, they know the type of player needed because they brought the head coach based on a given style and approach. And anyway he doesn't have the time, network or expertise to scout players.
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Well it works both ways. Our board signed Fred. Mourinho didn't really had a clue about how to use him. Coutinho at Barca?
 
JPRouve said:
Who told you that the board signed Fred?
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Nobody told me. It appeared that way because Fred never really started lot of games did he? If he was that crucial to Jose's plans, he would have been a key player for him.
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
Nobody told me. It appeared that way because Fred never really started lot of games did he? If he was that crucial to Jose's plans, he would have been a key player for him.
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So it's not possible that the manager made a mistake or wanted to slowly integrate a player?
 
JPRouve said:
So it's not possible that the manager made a mistake or wanted to slowly integrate a player?
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There are a lot of possibilities. Fred was bad whenever he played too.

You see the signings like Matic, Lukaku, Ibra, Bailley (latter until 1.5 seasons of his tenure) who played almost all games when available. It was the same with Fabregas and Costa at Chelsea. Jose plays the players who he really wanted to sign.

Nevertheless i don't believe that the board simply signs a player and forces the coach to play him. But i do think that significant input is needed from the tactician.
 
stevoc said:
Which thread was that? To be honest i don't remember having that conversation, i can't find it in the Fellaini performance thread. I almost never ignore peoples posts directed to me, do you have a link?

I'm happy to admit i'm wrong if that turns out to be the case.



Why only at half time, we can be losing or drawing at any point in the 2nd half of a game?

Also Mourinho almost always brought Rashford on if he was on the bench whether we were winning, losing or drawing, so i'm not sure that alone tells us anything. Who was the 2nd player brought on the most times? Do you have these stats?



I can remember it happening quite often, but again if you have the stats to prove that i'm mistaken i would welcome them.



I do because thats my opinion, and i have posted stats many times to back that opinion up. I don't remember it being refuted yet, quite often people who think he's this amazing plan B when faced with the stats and just how few goals and assists Fellaini has off the bench in games we're chasing.

The the argument immediately turns to intangibles like he's a ''handful'' or ''nuisance'' in the opposition box. Yes he is but how often has that actually lead to anything positive. As far as i know no one has looked into it and compiled a list of how many times Fellaini being a nuisance saves games for us.
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His wikapedia page goes at great length (and then some) to extol his off the bench exploits, him coming on and being chucked up front has amounted to next to nothing in the league, even in nuisance value, basicaly less than a handful of snatched points over 5 years.
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
Well it works both ways. Our board signed Fred. Mourinho didn't really had a clue about how to use him. Coutinho at Barca?
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ayushreddevil9 said:
Nobody told me. It appeared that way because Fred never really started lot of games did he? If he was that crucial to Jose's plans, he would have been a key player for him.
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https://www.sportsjoe.ie/football/fred-man-united-jose-mourinho-184095

Fred is quoted as saying he had offers from City and others but opted to join United because Mourinho wanted him and he wanted to play under Mourinho.

"Jose was crucial in my decision to join Manchester United and I’m grateful for his interest in my football."
 
Ducklegs said:
His wikapedia page goes at great length (and then some) to extol his off the bench exploits, him coming on and being chucked up front has amounted to next to nothing in the league, even in nuisance value, basicaly less than a handful of snatched points over 5 years.
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Basically yes, he has an assist in the Europa League and a goal in the League cup this season when we lost on Pens.

He has a reputation as a great option off the bench to rescue games but the reality is the Arsenal game towards the end of last season was actually the first time in 5 years he'd came on late (60-90mins) in a game we were losing/drawing and scored.
 
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