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I like how these official club twitter announcements concerning players heading to the Chinese Super League can't even be arsed to name the specific club the player is going to
 
Lawman said:
He can also play as an inside forward and a withdrawn 9. The way I would ask him he would be ss at times. Also at home vs smaller teams we could go 4231 with all 3 playing.
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Mate that lad Lindelof can also play DMF but that doesn't mean we should buy him to play that for us.

I understand you really like Griezmann but reality is that if we buy him we gotta play him in SS or number 10 position because everything else is wasting him.
 
Lawman said:
He would still occupy the same territory so yes, Griezman is capable of playing this position and I believe to a world class standard. Who I would leave out would be whoever was not in form. As shown by Rashford the other night your subs have a massive role to play coming on. We need as much quality as possible in these forward positions obviously without overkill and having those three (Martial, Myktarin, Griezman) in the squad is certainly not over kill. Plus Martial can play as the 9 also.
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Griezmann is far more effective as SS...I am not sure I want him over Martial in wide position at the moment to be honest. The guy is right, it would be a waste to pay 80 million for him and then stuck him out wide.
 
Fracture90 said:
Mate both in Atletico and Sociedad he is/was mostly playing SS or number 10.
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No, at Sociedad he was mainly playing as a left winger/inside forward. It took him almost half a season under Simeone to play well as a second striker and he happened to be a lot better in that role than he has ever been previously.
 
Fracture90 said:
Mate that lad Lindelof can also play DMF but that doesn't mean we should buy him to play that for us.

I understand you really like Griezmann but reality is that if we buy him we gotta play him in SS or number 10 position because everything else is wasting him.
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Fair enough if that's your opinion I respect that but he's played inside forward many times and the way I would have him play drifting he'd have the opportunity to flit between in games. For the record I like a lot of players but your right I really like Griezman as a player and think his running of the ball would suit us to a tee.
 
dichinero said:
So that's your homework on him being a choker?
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Yep, great players rise up to the great occasions. Even Ronaldo, who had a lot of problems in his earlier days against truly top teams, managed to score a lot against the likes of Barca, although his general play leaves a lot to be desired.
Lawman said:
No but he had failed internationally and hadn't scored against an English team so the story went...
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IMHO Messi did not fail internationally, he did all he could, his teammates failed. Also Argentina's lack of pace at the back didn't help getting the best out of Messi internationally. Lol, he scored 2 in 2 finals against United in the grandest of the occasions. He always plays well in finals. Even when Argentina lost in last 3 finals, Messi and Mascherano are probably the only players to cover themselves in any glory.
Redo91 said:
Ah I see so you're basing this on two examples?! He was top scorer at the Euros and player of the tournament so he's used to playing on the big stage. He also scored against Bayern in the Semi Finals of the UCL.
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I'm basing on the most important of the occasions, even if they are very few. Higuain too scores bucket loads of goals in club football, why do people still call him a choker? Because he always fails when it matters most.

France only played against two good teams over the whole tournament, one against Germany, in which the pressure was already off by a goal from a dubious penalty. Griezmann did manage to score another in that match, which proves he performs when under no pressure, but in the final he had an absolute sitter of a chance and he missed it, which again reiterates my point that he just cannot score under real pressure, as he could not from the spot against Real in the UCL final when Atletico were behind.
 
unimaginative_name said:
Griezmann did manage to score another in that match, which proves he performs when under no pressure, but in the final he had an absolute sitter of a chance and he missed it, which again reiterates my point that he just cannot score under real pressure, as he could not from the spot against Real in the UCL final when Atletico were behind.
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So finals are the only occasion with real pressure? How about scoring at Bayern in the 2nd leg? Or in matches against Barcelona and Real?
 
AR87 said:
So finals are the only occasion with real pressure? How about scoring at Bayern in the 2nd leg? Or in matches against Barcelona and Real?
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I never said finals are the only moments, but they are indeed the most important moments. There are players like Messi, Neymar, Suarez, Ronaldo, Bale, Lewandowsky who perform or score goals more often than not in big occasions. And there are players like Zlatan, Griezmann, Higuain who more often than not fails in big matches.

Yes, Griezmann might have scored occasionally against big teams, but along with in the two most important matches of his career, he often fails in other big games. You can find the detail about his failure against good teams in this article:

http://www.espnfc.com/club/atletico...nn-struggles-for-atletico-madrid-vs-big-clubs
 
unimaginative_name said:
I never said finals are the only moments, but they are indeed the most important moments. There are players like Messi, Neymar, Suarez, Ronaldo, Bale, Lewandowsky who perform or score goals more often than not in big occasions. And there are players like Zlatan, Griezmann, Higuain who more often than not fails in big matches.

Yes, Griezmann might have scored occasionally against big teams, but along with in the two most important matches of his career, he often fails in other big games. You can find the detail about his failure against good teams in this article:

http://www.espnfc.com/club/atletico...nn-struggles-for-atletico-madrid-vs-big-clubs
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That article was written in October 2015. After that he scored against Real, Barca and Bayern. Players can improve in this area. Griezmann has. Him not scoring in 2 finals glosses over the big matches he has produced in.
 
unimaginative_name said:
Yep, great players rise up to the great occasions. Even Ronaldo, who had a lot of problems in his earlier days against truly top teams, managed to score a lot against the likes of Barca, although his general play leaves a lot to be desired.
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You picked a very minute sample which makes your comment on him being a choker being invalid.
 
dichinero said:
You picked a very minute sample which makes your comment on him being a choker being invalid.
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Minute moments are what define the true quality of the footballers. I want my team to have true match winners who shine in the most important of the moments. Barca has 3 of them in Messi, Neymar and Suarez, Real has Ronaldo, Bale, Modric. United only seem to have Martial(he was the reason why we went to the final in the last Fa Cup), some might say Pogba, but he was nowhere to be seen in UCL final 2015 and Euro final 2016. Ibrahmovic also fails in big matches, he was rubbish against Liverpool. So, I'm skeptical of Griezmann.
AR87 said:
That article was written in October 2015. After that he scored against Real, Barca and Bayern. Players can improve in this area. Griezmann has. Him not scoring in 2 finals glosses over the big matches he has produced in.
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I'm aware of what Griezmann did in 2015/16, but I'm yet to be convinced.
 
unimaginative_name said:
Minute moments are what define the true quality of the footballers. I want my team to have true match winners who shine in the most important of the moments. Barca has 3 of them in Messi, Neymar and Suarez, Real has Ronaldo, Bale, Modric. United only seem to have Martial(he was the reason why we went to the final in the last Fa Cup), some might say Pogba, but he was nowhere to be seen in UCL final 2015 and Euro final 2016. Ibrahmovic also fails in big matches, he was rubbish against Liverpool. So, I'm skeptical of Griezmann.
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Then maybe you should compare the success rate of these players regarding the big stage opportunities they've had. You'll find out that Messi and Ronaldo have a poorer success rate than Griezmann, does that make them chokers too? By your logic, Messi is an incredible choker having not turned up in any of the recent finals for Argentina iirc. He was the third best player in the world and the finals had little to sway the minds of the voting professionals.
 
OohAahMartial said:
What position does he play? Will it affect their interest in Schneiderlin and Memphis?
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He plays on the left-hand wing cutting inside on to his right foot so will probably affect the Depay I would assume, particularly as I think they would have otherwise loaned him back to us or a Championship team for the rest of the year rather than have him around the squad straight away.

That said with Bolasie out for a year, Koeman might feel they need two players to reinforce on the wings, particularly as Lookman is relatively inexperienced and taking a big step up.

Shouldn't affect any interest in Schneiderlin at all being that they are completely different players in completely different positions.
 
unimaginative_name said:
Yep, great players rise up to the great occasions. Even Ronaldo, who had a lot of problems in his earlier days against truly top teams, managed to score a lot against the likes of Barca, although his general play leaves a lot to be desired.

IMHO Messi did not fail internationally, he did all he could, his teammates failed. Also Argentina's lack of pace at the back didn't help getting the best out of Messi internationally. Lol, he scored 2 in 2 finals against United in the grandest of the occasions. He always plays well in finals. Even when Argentina lost in last 3 finals, Messi and Mascherano are probably the only players to cover themselves in any glory.

I'm basing on the most important of the occasions, even if they are very few. Higuain too scores bucket loads of goals in club football, why do people still call him a choker? Because he always fails when it matters most.

France only played against two good teams over the whole tournament, one against Germany, in which the pressure was already off by a goal from a dubious penalty. Griezmann did manage to score another in that match, which proves he performs when under no pressure, but in the final he had an absolute sitter of a chance and he missed it, which again reiterates my point that he just cannot score under real pressure, as he could not from the spot against Real in the UCL final when Atletico were behind.
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My post was in sarcasm
 
unimaginative_name said:
Yep, great players rise up to the great occasions. Even Ronaldo, who had a lot of problems in his earlier days against truly top teams, managed to score a lot against the likes of Barca, although his general play leaves a lot to be desired.

IMHO Messi did not fail internationally, he did all he could, his teammates failed. Also Argentina's lack of pace at the back didn't help getting the best out of Messi internationally. Lol, he scored 2 in 2 finals against United in the grandest of the occasions. He always plays well in finals. Even when Argentina lost in last 3 finals, Messi and Mascherano are probably the only players to cover themselves in any glory.

I'm basing on the most important of the occasions, even if they are very few. Higuain too scores bucket loads of goals in club football, why do people still call him a choker? Because he always fails when it matters most.

France only played against two good teams over the whole tournament, one against Germany, in which the pressure was already off by a goal from a dubious penalty. Griezmann did manage to score another in that match, which proves he performs when under no pressure, but in the final he had an absolute sitter of a chance and he missed it, which again reiterates my point that he just cannot score under real pressure, as he could not from the spot against Real in the UCL final when Atletico were behind.
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You're having a shocker mate.
 
#SayNoToGriezmann

Besides, we could probably get James for half the price who I think can perform similarly from the right or SS under the right conditions anyway.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
They're under enormous pressure to appease their fans who are completely fecked off having moved stadium. Signing a Club legend who will be vital for them is a good start
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Defoe is absolutely not a West Ham legend. Their shitehawk fans hate him for the way he left them in the first place, pretty sure he always gets booed when he plays there or definitely did at Upton Park at least.

diarm said:


This seems like an outstanding piece of business for Stoke in todays market. He's been excellent for them this season.
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This is probably one for the strange feelings in football thread but I confidently predict he'll go back to being thoroughly average to shite now he's got the contract.
 
DannyCAFC said:
He plays on the left-hand wing cutting inside on to his right foot so will probably affect the Depay I would assume, particularly as I think they would have otherwise loaned him back to us or a Championship team for the rest of the year rather than have him around the squad straight away.

That said with Bolasie out for a year, Koeman might feel they need two players to reinforce on the wings, particularly as Lookman is relatively inexperienced and taking a big step up.

Shouldn't affect any interest in Schneiderlin at all being that they are completely different players in completely different positions.
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Thx for the info. Guess this is one reason why the links of Memphis to Everton have dwindled and that he's now linked to other clubs.
 
We gotta get in on this China shit before people realize what's going on and how unsustainable it is. Ashley Young, Wayne Rooney, hell even Schweinsteiger should fetch us some decent cash.
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
We gotta get in on this China shit before people realize what's going on and how unsustainable it is. Ashley Young, Wayne Rooney, hell even Schweinsteiger should fetch us some decent cash.
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I live in Hong Kong - there was news this morning that the China League is being looked into - something in regards to wanting the money spent on the Chinese players as opposed to spending insane amount of money on foreigners. Also wanted a cap that is relatable to how much money they make.

Saying all that, it'll never happen and they'll find ways around it.
 
I find it quite disrespectful to want to offload players to China. It's nobody's else's business than the player's where he wants to move to, and if a player, whether Ronaldo or one with a much lower ceiling, doesn't follow the very biggest payment and either prefers a league on a higher level or a different environment than China, I applaud him.
 
Golden Nugget said:
I live in Hong Kong - there was news this morning that the China League is being looked into - something in regards to wanting the money spent on the Chinese players as opposed to spending insane amount of money on foreigners. Also wanted a cap that is relatable to how much money they make.

Saying all that, it'll never happen and they'll find ways around it.
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If they set a salary cap, they need to estimate the revenue they produce to sustain those high salaries. That is still very much possible depending on how big their stadiums are and if they can accommodate around 70-100k fans a week. I don't think they'll have a problem selling tickets but finding broadcasting revenue would be tougher and that's always the bigger piece of the pie for all sport leagues.
 
Crossie said:
I find it quite disrespectful to want to offload players to China. It's nobody's else's business than the player's where he wants to move to, and if a player, whether Ronaldo or one with a much lower ceiling, doesn't follow the very biggest payment and either prefers a league on a higher level or a different environment than China, I applaud him.
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That's not the point though is it? Chinese clubs are paying well over market value for players, meaning we should try to take advantage of their free spending, let them know we have players available for transfer. If players don't want to go there, fine, doesn't mean we shouldn't try.
 
K2K said:
Why don't the Chinese come after our players?

Plenty of players suitable for their league.
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The majority of players going to China are travelled players anyway, Brazilians & African footballers who are already playing abroad. I don't think the vast majority of European players would fancy it in fairness.
 
ivaldo said:
That's not the point though is it? Chinese clubs are paying well over market value for players, meaning we should try to take advantage of their free spending, let them know we have players available for transfer. If players don't want to go there, fine, doesn't mean we shouldn't try.
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No, it's exactly my point. I respect that you have a different opion but find it disrespectful to players nonetheless. It's their career, their lives. They are humans which IMO shouldn't be treated like an object.

If the interest originates from a Chinese club, fine. If the player's agent offers him to Chinese clubs, fine as long as the player is aware of it.
The fact that one club approached Mendes to make an offer for Ronaldo shows that Chinese clubs are not shy to ask agents if their players are available. If a club is interested in Rooney, Young etc, they won't hold that interest back.
 
Djemba-Djemba said:
Rooney must be looking at the money in the Chinese League and be interested surely?

Please...
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I reckon if he did end up going there, we'd probably make a profit on him...we paid what, £28m in total, plus perfromance bonus for leagues/CL's, etc...so say £35m...

I reckon we'd get that back from China...easily...

Although he'd be a fully depreciated asset on the books, so even if we sold him for £3.50, we'd still technically be recording a profit on him...
 
I wonder whether the home grown talent are getting these exorbitant wages too and how the team dynamics are affected.
 
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