Transfer Tweets - 2017/18

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If we are trying to buy 2 fullbacks, 2 CM's and a CB, we might have to.

Yeah but not Martial. You don't sell a 22 year old with his potential....you just don't. As for signing 2 CM - why would we need to ? We have Herrera, Matic, Pogba and McTominay - why would we need 2 more ? I don't see the need for 2 fullbacks either - one really good to compete with Valencia sure....but Shaw and Young can manage one more season.
 
Yeah but not Martial. You don't sell a 22 year old with his potential....you just don't. As for signing 2 CM - why would we need to ? We have Herrera, Matic, Pogba and McTominay - why would we need 2 more ? I don't see the need for 2 fullbacks either - one really good to compete with Valencia sure....but Shaw and Young can manage one more season.

We're potentially loosing two CM's in Carrick and Fellaini, that's why we potentially need two and no we cannot do another season with Young and Shaw are our first choice LB options
 
Blind / Smalling / Darmian / Shaw / Herrera all seems to be favoured to go. Wouldn't the combined fee be enough to fund any over spill or are we looking to fund the entire outlay from transfers?
I can't see how it even makes sense.
 

Castles in the Times says that we are planning to recruit an entire new defensive line, with approaches already made for Umtiti and Sandro.
 
Blind / Smalling / Darmian / Shaw / Herrera all seems to be favoured to go. Wouldn't the combined fee be enough to fund any over spill or are we looking to fund the entire outlay from transfers?
I can't see how it even makes sense.

Well it really depends on who we sign and how much we get for these players. If we target someone like Alex Sandro, he could cost 50 million on his own. If our budget is 150 million like it seems to be the last few years, then that's a third of it gone.

How much do we get for Blind and Darmian? 10 million each? At a stretch 25-30 million for the pair of them. Shaw, Smalling and Herrera we could get up to 20 million for. Although, I think Jones is more at threat than Smalling and I'm not sure we'd sell Herrer after losing both Carrick and Fellaini.
 
25M combined for Shaw / Smalling and Herrera is a bit low now. Even by your valuations you've basically paid for Sandro already and we still have 150m to spend.
Don't forget, there are defensive positions. Utd and Joses record of bringing in quality at reasonable prices is fantastic while 150m would be more than we spent in each of the last 2 summers when we bought Pogba and Lukaku.
 
25M combined for Shaw / Smalling and Herrera is a bit low now. Even by your valuations you've basically paid for Sandro already and we still have 150m to spend.
Don't forget, there are defensive positions. Utd and Joses record of bringing in quality at reasonable prices is fantastic while 150m would be more than we spent in each of the last 2 summers when we bought Pogba and Lukaku.
I think @haram was saying that we could get up to £20m each for Shaw, Smalling and Herrera. If we were to sell those 3, I wouldn't complain too much with getting £60m.
 
25M combined for Shaw / Smalling and Herrera is a bit low now. Even by your valuations you've basically paid for Sandro already and we still have 150m to spend.
Don't forget, there are defensive positions. Utd and Joses record of bringing in quality at reasonable prices is fantastic while 150m would be more than we spent in each of the last 2 summers when we bought Pogba and Lukaku.

I think @haram was saying that we could get up to £20m each for Shaw, Smalling and Herrera. If we were to sell those 3, I wouldn't complain too much with getting £60m.

Yes, sorry, I meant up to 20 million per player.
 
Ah that makes sense.
Saying that , it now makes less sense to sell Martial if our budget balloons into 230m!
Who are we buying? That would fund Neymar and Umtiti!
 

Castles in the Times says that we are planning to recruit an entire new defensive line, with approaches already made for Umtiti and Sandro.

I guess even if Mourinho himself can’t take this team to another level, at very least he is going to leave us as a much better place quality-wise. Almost 6 year of consistent failure from the old crew, and they’re still around. In my humble opinion, Smalling, Jones, Darmian, and Shaw need to be shipped this summer, long overdue.

Toby, Umtiti, Sandro, and a RB capable of challenging Valencia.
 
I guess even if Mourinho himself can’t take this team to another level, at very least he is going to leave us as a much better place quality-wise. Almost 6 year of consistent failure from the old crew, and they’re still around. In my humble opinion, Smalling, Jones, Darmian, and Shaw need to be shipped this summer, long overdue.

Toby, Umtiti, Sandro, and a RB capable of challenging Valencia.

That and I dont think it’s the greatest position to have to rely on Young and Valencia as fullbacks. Blind will be gone as well.
 
See my post above. When we signed Sanchez, Mourinho said signing him meant we wouldn't be signing an attacker in summer. We've probably already budgeted for a couple of midfielders, a left back and maybe a centre back as well so to sign another attacker we might need to balance the books a bit. We wouldn't get anywhere near as much for Mata as we would for Martial.

I hope we raise funds from either Blind Rojo Shaw Darmian Herrera Mata first before contemplating selling Martial (plus we are going to shed serious wages in Carrick Zlatan and Fellaini). I hope we do buy a left back a central defender a midfielder and most importantly a winger for the right but that’s probably one player a stretch too far. But I feel unless Jose is moving towards Lukaku and Sanchez off him through the middle as a two up top I really think we need a right winger or our play is going to be much the same and could lead to the masses not putting up with this brand of football much longer than next season.

Here is four realistic targets I think would improve us and give our squad depth, balance and add a bit more reliability and quality. We can manage our right back slot with any of Valencia TFM Young Bailey Jones lindelof Tunzabe and even Smalling if needed yep quality needs upgraded but least of our problems just now.

Tierney £20m
Maguire £40m
Majhrez £50m
Dier £60m

= £170m

That’s a really big ask plus we just bought Sanchez so think we might have to sell as these prices could be very conservative considering last summer prices and this years World Cup going on and inflating them even more.
 
We're potentially loosing two CM's in Carrick and Fellaini, that's why we potentially need two and no we cannot do another season with Young and Shaw are our first choice LB options

We have played without Carrick all season - and Fellaini most of the season, we have managed quite fine. Do we need a central midfielder ? Absolutely - but if we keep Herrera - I don't think we need 2

As for the fullbacks - we have TFM coming back from a very successful loan in Palace - in my opinion, he should be given a chance. And if we sign a new back - I would like Tierney.

As for a signing a new defender - we have Jones, Lindelöf, Smalling, Bailly and Rojo - that's not a problem. Mourinho should concentrate on finding players in position where we aren't doing well.
 
That and I dont think it’s the greatest position to have to rely on Young and Valencia as fullbacks. Blind will be gone as well.
Somehow managed to erase him from my memory completely, not least surprising though.
 
I don't think the Bale/Martial thing would be about money, but about balance. If Mourinho buys another attacker this summer I'd expect one to be sold as right now he has 3 players that all play LW or striker and then Mata and Lingard who tend to float around, we don't have a single RW option as such, so if he buys a player for there I'd expect one of the LW options to go.
 
This is what Mourinho said in December:

"I think, next season, we are going to get two or three more players," Mourinho told United's official website. "We are going to lose also two or three. If you can try to anticipate, you can more or less see that it's normal that this is going to happen. It's not going to happen - a dramatic change and a dramatic improvement - but in time, step by step, with some balance, we have to do it.

"If, next summer, we are going to sign a midfield player, it's to replace Michael Carrick and Michael is a phenomenal player that, this season, he couldn't give us anything at all.

"He's in the end of his career so if, next summer, we buy a midfield player, it's not to improve our squad - it's to replace Michael Carrick. So, to improve our squad in the midfield, we would need to buy two."

So seems original plan would have been to bring in two midfielders and possibly a leftback in (I'm going to assume that by then he had a good idea we were going to sign Sanchez). Since then the links to another CB and a right winger have increased albeit with McTominay's breakthrough it might have reduced the number of midfield incomings to one.

I hope we raise funds from either Blind Rojo Shaw Darmian Herrera Mata first before contemplating selling Martial (plus we are going to shed serious wages in Carrick Zlatan and Fellaini). I hope we do buy a left back a central defender a midfielder and most importantly a winger for the right but that’s probably one player a stretch too far. But I feel unless Jose is moving towards Lukaku and Sanchez off him through the middle as a two up top I really think we need a right winger or our play is going to be much the same and could lead to the masses not putting up with this brand of football much longer than next season.

Here is four realistic targets I think would improve us and give our squad depth, balance and add a bit more reliability and quality. We can manage our right back slot with any of Valencia TFM Young Bailey Jones lindelof Tunzabe and even Smalling if needed yep quality needs upgraded but least of our problems just now.

Tierney £20m
Maguire £40m
Majhrez £50m
Dier £60m

= £170m

That’s a really big ask plus we just bought Sanchez so think we might have to sell as these prices could be very conservative considering last summer prices and this years World Cup going on and inflating them even more.
Getting those would come into our budget if those prices were true but I think Mahrez would cost more and we've not been linked that much to any of them. More likely we'll try going for the likes of Sandro and a couple of midfielders to take the spending to over £150m before signing a CB or RW.
 
@Devil may care
I can't see that. Jose has said we wont be replacing Ibra so that leaves striker and left wing covered by 4 players.
Sell Martial and we're down to Rashford covering two on his own. One injury leaves us with no options from the bench or any chance to rotate /adjust tactically.
That doesn't even take into account losses of form etc.
 
This is what Mourinho said in December:



So seems original plan would have been to bring in two midfielders and possibly a leftback in (I'm going to assume that by then he had a good idea we were going to sign Sanchez). Since then the links to another CB and a right winger have increased albeit with McTominay's breakthrough it might have reduced the number of midfield incomings to one.


Getting those would come into our budget if those prices were true but I think Mahrez would cost more and we've not been linked that much to any of them. More likely we'll try going for the likes of Sandro and a couple of midfielders to take the spending to over £150m before signing a CB or RW.

Yep I agree with the thinking on how he saw it in December. Only question mark is was this at the same time as his Shaw being the best LB in the world comments? Would indicate he was maybe thinking about a CB instead as that was also the time our defence was at its most depleted this season with Bailly out and Smalling playing on injured against Leicester.
 
@Devil may care
I can't see that. Jose has said we wont be replacing Ibra so that leaves striker and left wing covered by 4 players.
Sell Martial and we're down to Rashford covering two on his own. One injury leaves us with no options from the bench or any chance to rotate /adjust tactically.
That doesn't even take into account losses of form etc.

If he brought in a RW instead of just selling one then he'd still have options of moving people around. It's always been 2 people for each position and 1 versatile for defence, midfield and attack. That brings the squad to 25 as usual then.
 
I don't think the Bale/Martial thing would be about money, but about balance. If Mourinho buys another attacker this summer I'd expect one to be sold as right now he has 3 players that all play LW or striker and then Mata and Lingard who tend to float around, we don't have a single RW option as such, so if he buys a player for there I'd expect one of the LW options to go.
Would be a bit of both. If we're signing players like Sandro and SMS (though that has gone quiet) then signing Bale as well would make it our most expensive window ever. From the LW options he's most dispensable and would bring in a chunk of money if we activate the option on his contract.

@Devil may care
I can't see that. Jose has said we wont be replacing Ibra so that leaves striker and left wing covered by 4 players.
Sell Martial and we're down to Rashford covering two on his own. One injury leaves us with no options from the bench or any chance to rotate /adjust tactically.
That doesn't even take into account losses of form etc.
Chong would likely be promoted and we'd probably change to 3 man midfield full time so we'd have more options on the bench.
 
Yep I agree with the thinking on how he saw it in December. Only question mark is was this at the same time as his Shaw being the best LB in the world comments? Would indicate he was maybe thinking about a CB instead as that was also the time our defence was at its most depleted this season with Bailly out and Smalling playing on injured against Leicester.
His comments on Shaw came about a month later and Shaw hadn't played that much up to the point where Mourinho made the comments. Shaw did win MOTM against Bournemouth though but we were still heavily linked to a left back with no mention of any CBs. You might be onto something with it being around the time we had injury problems in CB but we also had the problem of Valencia being out and Young being suspended.
 
But 4-3-3 still leaves 4 players for 2 spots. Chong plays on the right anyway and even then I can't see Martial being sold for a youth player who has never even been on our bench (I think?) or even plays in his position.
Either way it takes a lot of mental gymnastics and assumtions that Jose changes his mind / is lying.
Saying that, what if Lingard gets injured? Sanchez moves inside and we end up becoming wafer thin in 3 positions! It just doesn't make sense.
Would Jose not strive for consistency rather than having to rejig formations every time 2 players pick up knocks?
 
But 4-3-3 still leaves 4 players for 2 spots. Chong plays on the right anyway and even then I can't see Martial being sold for a youth player who has never even been on our bench (I think?)
Either way it takes a lot of mental gymnastics, assumtions that Jose changes his mind / is lying.
Saying that, what if Lingard gets injured? Sanchez moves inside and we end up becoming wafer thin in 3 positions! It just doesn't make sense.
Would Jose not strive for consistency rather than having to rejig formations every time 2 players pick up knocks?

Lukaku
Sanchez ---- NewRW
Pogba NewMF
Matic
Mata, Rashford, Lingard, Chong as sub options for front three is enough. Look at the other teams who play a front three:

Man City

Starters: Aguero, Sane, Sterling
Subs: Jesus, Bernardo, Diaz, Foden

Chelsea
Starters: Morata, Hazard, Willian
Subs: Giroud, Pedro, Barkley(?)

Liverpool
Starters: Firmino, Mane, Salah
Subs: Solanke, Ox, Ings, Woodburn

Real Madrid
Starters: Benzema, Ronaldo, Bale
Subs: Mayoral, Isco, Asensio, Vazquez

We would be bringing in a new midfielder as well so Lingard getting injured wouldn't mean Sanchez would be moving in.
 
Lukaku
Sanchez ---- NewRW
Pogba NewMF
Matic
Mata, Rashford, Lingard, Chong as sub options for front three is enough. Look at the other teams who play a front three:

Man City

Starters: Aguero, Sane, Sterling
Subs: Jesus, Bernardo, Diaz, Foden

Chelsea
Starters: Morata, Hazard, Willian
Subs: Giroud, Pedro, Barkley(?)

Liverpool
Starters: Firmino, Mane, Salah
Subs: Solanke, Ox, Ings, Woodburn

Real Madrid
Starters: Benzema, Ronaldo, Bale
Subs: Mayoral, Isco, Asensio, Vazquez

We would be bringing in a new midfielder as well so Lingard getting injured wouldn't mean Sanchez would be moving in.

We could do that and keep Martial though right?

Mata Lingard Rashford Martial
 
We could do that and keep Martial though right?

Mata Lingard Rashford Martial
Difference being the other clubs have got a reserve as at least one option on their benches. Keeping those 7 players happy wouldn't be easy and like I said in my other posts, selling Martial might be needed to get the funds to sign the RW on top of the left back, two midfielders and a CB.

Martial's unlikely to sign a new contract if we bring in another starter either.
 
Difference being the other clubs have got a reserve as at least one option on their benches. Keeping those 7 players happy wouldn't be easy and like I said in my other posts, selling Martial might be needed to get the funds to sign the RW on top of the left back, two midfielders and a CB.

Martial's unlikely to sign a new contract if we bring in another starter either.

Yeah, unfortunately thats the way I am seeing it too, but just hoping its not the case. Hoping Martial has done enough for the club to want to keep him here and see the potential. But I guess it may not be up to the club ultimately.
 
@Damien
I can see what you're saying but you seem to be taking great leaps to see how Martial can be sold rather than assessing if he will be sold.
I see nothing that hints at us playing 3 in the middle next year, I can't even think of a midfielder we have even been linked with.
Chong is a youth player, Jose wouldn't want to use him out of necessity (which will happen if he becomes our cover) but when Jose deems him ready. If he plays at all it'll be a TFM situation.
Even then, Chong isn't a player you make room for. He's a player that wouldn't be unhappy if a player like Martial is in front of him simply because he isn't a first team player.
Why limit yourself in that situation when you don't have to?
Tuanzebe (sp) is a prime example of this.
 
@Damien
I can see what you're saying but you seem to be taking great leaps to see how Martial can be sold rather than assessing if he will be sold.
I see nothing that hints at us playing 3 in the middle next year, I can't even think of a midfielder we have even been linked with.
Chong is a youth player, Jose wouldn't want to use him out of necessity (which will happen if he becomes our cover) but when Jose deems him ready. If he plays at all it'll be a TFM situation.
Even then, Chong isn't a player you make room for. He's a player that wouldn't be unhappy if a player like Martial is in front of him simply because he isn't a first team player.
Why limit yourself in that situation when you don't have to?
Tuanzebe (sp) is a prime example of this.
Mourinho said we've been playing 3 in midfield at times this year and he said we're signing two midfielders for next season. Seems unlikely we're going to be signing two midfielders and for both to be on the bench/squad options.

We've also got Rashford's contract discussions next year. If we are bringing in a right winger, then having Lukaku, Sanchez, NewRW, Lingard, Martial and Mata might make it less likely Rashford will sign a new deal.
 
@Damien
But he has defended 2 in the middle at length this season, even telling us Pogba was already playing poorly in a 3 so it wasn't a magical cure all for our problems.
We can't have selective hearing about this. If we take hints and clues about his preferred formation then surely we need to listen to him when he name drops Martial as a player he's relying on next year, plain as day, twice in 7 weeks!
 
Mourinho has never said we will be buying two midfielders.
He hinted it.

"I think, next season, we are going to get two or three more players," Mourinho told United's official website. "We are going to lose also two or three. If you can try to anticipate, you can more or less see that it's normal that this is going to happen. It's not going to happen - a dramatic change and a dramatic improvement - but in time, step by step, with some balance, we have to do it.

"If, next summer, we are going to sign a midfield player, it's to replace Michael Carrick and Michael is a phenomenal player that, this season, he couldn't give us anything at all.

"He's in the end of his career so if, next summer, we buy a midfield player, it's not to improve our squad - it's to replace Michael Carrick. So, to improve our squad in the midfield, we would need to buy two."

We're losing Fellaini as well as Carrick.
 
I don't know why people feel an entirely new back 4 would be a good idea
Especially If it's made up of
Sandro - Brazilian from Serie A
Alderweireld - Belgian from PL
Umtiti - French from La Liga
Meunier - Belgian from Ligue 1

So If we buy Sandro, Meunier and Umtiti, we could possibly end up with 4 players from 4 different leagues coming form four different countries having never played together before. Add that to the fact that the pre season will be severely cut off due to the WC, there could be a serious lack of understanding between the defenders which atleast in the initial few months which can lead to more bad than good
 
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