fecking Paul, ruined the semifinalNah, we should let @antohan re-assume the role of Paul the Octopus.
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Yeah, he basically plays as a CF. Ibra drops deep a lot and Cavani always cuts in. Cavani almost never stays wide.Cavani a CF at PSG?
Isn't that exactly what Gandalf wants? Valencia stretches the play, Ibra drops deep and Cavani moves inside?
So Ronaldinho is a CF? He also never stays wide. I watch PSG week in week out and Cavani is a right winger who cuts inside. Why I call him a right winger and not an Inside right forward is because his starting position is all the way out right.
He starts from a much more wide position than someone like Hazard does, but Cavani drifts almost exclusively centrally though.
Zlatan doesn't always drop deep, when he doesn't Cavani stays out wide. When Zlatan takes a step down Cavani makes a surge towards goal.
No because Ronaldinho isn't a natural CF. Cavani is. Ibra always drops deep and creates for his teammates, he does that at every team he's played for. Cavani always tracks back and he does that from the right, but almost all of his play with the ball comes through the middle. With Ronaldinho at Barcelona it was him playing with the ball from the left and moving inside. Cavani touches the ball probably 30, 40 times a match even with PSG's possession.
He was billed as someone that was shoehorned in the team as a winger but his average position is always right down the middle, which shows how much he plays with the ball centrally. It's what makes VdW so useful offensively.
Cavani has a playstyle is not anything like a winger that cuts in, rather just another CF in the team. It was just the same at Napoli where he would always be running back and Hamsik would occupy central positions but whenever Cavani gets the ball its near the box
He was billed as someone that was shoehorned in the team as a winger but his average position is always right down the middle, which shows how much he plays with the ball centrally. It's what makes VdW so useful offensively.
Cavani has a playstyle is not anything like a winger that cuts in, rather just another CF in the team. It was just the same at Napoli where he would always be running back and Hamsik would occupy central positions but whenever Cavani gets the ball its near the box
Ibrahimovic doesn't "always drop deep", he pushes and pulls even if he is more prone to drop deep than make runs out wide or forward.
Cavani plays well out wide and his game isn't based around touches but rather about off-the-ball runs. A low amount of touches from the winger but a lot of movement is bread and butter at PSG since Blanc came.
When Zlatan drops they instantly make a run centrally so Zlatan has someone to pass. When Zlatan stays at the front Cavani would either make a run behind the defense but remain wide or he'd wait for another chance.
There is no issues playing Cavani out wide, you get someone who makes great runs off the ball and works hard. If you don't think that type of winger is feasible then Guardiola wants to have a talk to you about Muller.
Of course Cavani is better centrally, but to say he is bad out wide is nonsense.
Cavani plays well out wide and his game isn't based around touches but rather about off-the-ball runs. A low amount of touches from the winger but a lot of movement is bread and butter at PSG since Blanc came.
When Zlatan drops they instantly make a run centrally so Zlatan has someone to pass. When Zlatan stays at the front Cavani would either make a run behind the defense but remain wide or he'd wait for another chance.
There is no issues playing Cavani out wide, you get someone who makes great runs off the ball and works hard. If you don't think that type of winger is feasible then Guardiola wants to have a talk to you about Muller.
Of course Cavani is better centrally, but to say he is bad out wide is nonsense.
I'm good for whenever, shafted with the draw I got!
Happy go go up and possibly out against @Edgar Allan Pillow. Great manager/Poster, good luck
Ibra always drops deep, he's played with limited types for most of his career (Trez, Crespo, Cruz, Pato) and its what makes him one of the best playmakers in the world.
The problem with calling him a winger that cuts inside is that he really doesn't...Cavani's not really a dribbler and he doesn't use his left to get past opponents. Wingers that actually cut inside do it with the ball (i.e. Ribéry, Robben, Lavezzi, Vela, etc) but Cavani doesn't, he does it off-ball
He uses his runs to create opportunities, which makes him more of a CF. It's the same with Mueller who was called a "space user" or something along those lines because he's not a dribbler but he opens lanes with his movement. I don't really like Mueller anyways
I don't think I said anything about a problem with Cavani playing wide, just that he's much worse than when he plays central. In a false nine he's probably one of the best false wingers (is that a viable term?) to dart in and get the ball in the middle.
He's not bad but he's not at his best IMO. I just think it would make sense for Gandalf to play a diamond with Zidane-Ballack-Cambiasso-Carrick and Cavani-Ibra up front. Cavani compensates for little off ball work from Ibra and the midfield is pretty balanced.
The problem with calling him a winger that cuts inside is that he really doesn't...Cavani's not really a dribbler and he doesn't use his left to get past opponents. Wingers that actually cut inside do it with the ball (i.e. Ribéry, Robben, Lavezzi, Vela, etc) but Cavani doesn't, he does it off-ball
He uses his runs to create opportunities, which makes him more of a CF. It's the same with Mueller who was called a "space user" or something along those lines because he's not a dribbler but he opens lanes with his movement. I don't really like Mueller anyways
I don't think I said anything about a problem with Cavani playing wide, just that he's much worse than when he plays central. In a false nine he's probably one of the best false wingers (is that a viable term?) to dart in and get the ball in the middle.
He's not bad but he's not at his best IMO. I just think it would make sense for Gandalf to play a diamond with Zidane-Ballack-Cambiasso-Carrick and Cavani-Ibra up front. Cavani compensates for little off ball work from Ibra and the midfield is pretty balanced.
Haha not really mate, should be a good game. You have some sure shot vote getters with that United core.
I don't mind going tomorrow.
@Edgar Allan Pillow I'd like to go tomorrow, wednesday or friday.
Not sure if starting a game tomorrow makes a lot of sense with the United - Bayern game.
Oh shit yeah forgot about that.
Yeah I'm not playing tomorrow then.
@rpitroda Wednesday suits you mate?
We'll have two games a day no?
Oh yeah right preferably we will.
I don't see what the problem is but maybe Cutch wants a more physical presence than Raúl? He knows people will say Raúl needs a partner. I suppose eventually he wants to get the CF and shift Raúl to another role. Not convinced that you improve, mind.
Nothing wrong with that.
Me vs nopace. What do people think about that? His team seems extremely narrow.
I'd love it, if @antohan did the draw. I'm sure he would present the fixtures with great commentary
Except it was 5am here
Aye, Nedved would be a no-brainer for you.
Alright, so I guess we'll see one big money bully at the next round
I'll raise you that, one idea I had for the money element of my draft was winner takes all kitty from rival. Imagine Balu taking kps' 50M as well
(I worked out it was a terrible idea though because usually more kitty SHOULD mean worse team, so you get an easier tie and greater reward, which would be wrong)Very much so. I think he is better off with the diamond though. The only reason I can see for playing wingers is covering the fullbacks and you know you are up shit creek when you start with such a negative mindset.
Like Balu says Gandlaf has already set out a really comprehensive set of tactics. I'm sure Anto and myself if we're around will chip in with some pro-Gandalf posts as he won't be around to defend his team. Its tended to work out in other matches that if one of the managers can't be online others do fight his corner a bit.
Well, that's how I was trying to use him last time out, precisely, since the width came from Brehme and not him.
You did say he was crappy for Uruguay, which isn't quite right. He certainly hasn't been used in what works best for HIM but for the TEAM. The very fact he can be used in such a tactically refined and disciplined job (switching the system from 4-4-2 to 4-3-3 as and when the game calls for it) is a testament to his -very relevant- non-footballing qualities and team ethic. Sure, doesn't score anywhere near as much as you would want him to as a result, but still has 20 in 60 starts for the NT.
Anyhow, re: Gandalf. No, I've no interest in this part of the draft. I'd suggest the game is played last and one of the eliminated managers takes over if they want another pop?
@Polaroid
The draw at it's full:
VivaJ vs MJJ
NoPace vs PaceMe
Pol/Theon vs Fergus
Aldo vs rpitroda
Cutch vs Crappy
Edgar vs Annah
kps88 vs Balu
Pippa vs Gandalf
Anyone ready to make a prediction?
VivaJ vs MJJ
NoPace vs PaceMe
Pol/Theon vs Fergus
Aldo vs rpitroda
Cutch vs Crappy
Edgar vs Annah
kps88 vs Balu
Pippa vs Gandalf
Anyone ready to make a prediction?
Oh shit yeah forgot about that.
Yeah I'm not playing tomorrow then.
@rpitroda Wednesday suits you mate?
I would prefer later in the week if possible, Friday is ok for me this week
VJ again.Am available on fri and sat. Have started a new job so need to be up early in the morning on weekdays. My time is +5 GMT so am going to miss most of the debate on weekdays.
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Gandalf wanted me to post this, he's away but tries to participate with his phone:
@kps88 I can't play on Friday, other than that I'm available. Feel free to pick a day . I would prefer to avoid the days when United plays Bayern though (tomorrow and Wednesday next week).
. I would prefer to avoid the days when United plays Bayern though (tomorrow and Wednesday next week).@Polaroid Great effort buddy. Thank you very much
@kps88 I can't play on Friday, other than that I'm available. Feel free to pick a day
I'm fine with any of those days. Should be easy enough. Maybe we should let the folks with restrictions get their days booked first.
Baraja and Albelda were the early-2000s version of Xavi and Iniesta...really. If you don't know Spanish, translate the big quote. That's the extent to how they were on the pitch together. To say that Baraja is less imposing than one-season-wonder Gündogan is absurd
Good luck to you aswell mate. Crackin side you got also, should be a close one.
I could maybe try to get something wrote up for Wednesday. Out on site for a few weeks so difficult for me to be on here during the day but maybe Gio will be around.
I see Riquelme's still got it! This was his free kick last night, more of the same against you I hope
Baraja and Albelda were the early-2000s version of Xavi and Iniesta...really. If you don't know Spanish, translate the big quote. That's the extent to how they were on the pitch together. To say that Baraja is less imposing than one-season-wonder Gündogan is absurd
Baraja was a transfer forum favourite for a while here.
Ah finally someone else on the forum who'll back up my view that Baraja had no peers in the central midfield department around 2002-2004ish. He was a classic box-to-box all-rounder and shits over Gundogan at this point.Baraja and Albelda were the early-2000s version of Xavi and Iniesta...really. If you don't know Spanish, translate the big quote. That's the extent to how they were on the pitch together. To say that Baraja is less imposing than one-season-wonder Gündogan is absurd
I won't say that he had no peers in that era but he most definitely shits on Gundogan at this point.