So, Pippa, come clean, you never wanted to sell Pires, did you?
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Don't think he should've. With Messi going for 115M I think Ronaldo for 85M is a great bargain.
Must agree. I think Ronaldinho/Ronaldo were bargains at their current prices. They are the type of players who can win you the draft-games alone as they can receive a ball and create or score a goal on their own.
There's just Ronaldo/Messi/C.Ronaldo/Ronaldinho/Rivaldo pretty much at that draft-level.
If you don't have one of those, then you really need more consistent and realistic ways to find goals.
Am I the only one who thinks that Luiz Ronaldo is extremely overrated in these drafts? Of course a top player, but every game I see where he is in every voter assumes he bags AT LEAST one goal. When in reality his goal-scoring record wasn't impressive enough to suggest a return like that.
Zlatan Ibrahimovic has a similar goal-scoring record, but of course vastly superior assist record. But if you play him you rarely get any credit at all.
Add to that, Ronaldo never won the CL top scorer award and over his career failed to perform at the CL stage. Zlatan's best season he scored 10 goals in the CL which tops everything Ronaldo has done there.
The only time I think Ronaldo should have such a high rating is in a WC draft or any "International" type of draft.
Total players (FW, DF, GK) : 68
Forwards
D. Drogba - 35m - Edgar - 01.30
Ronaldinho - 70M - Crappy- 02.21
L. Figo - 71M - Pippa - 05.26
Rooney - 42m - MJJ - 8.22
Rivaldo - 67m - MJJ - 8.51
Zlatan -15m- Gandalf -10.20
Neymar -10m - Gdalf -10.20
Shearer - 10m - kps88 - 10.40
Cavani -10m - Gandalf 10.55
van Nistelrooy - 20m - MJJ - 15.50
Raul - 25m - Balu - 18:56
Messi - 115m-paceme-19:56
C. Ronaldo - 90M - Crappy- 20.55
MIDFIELDERS
M. Ballack - 39m - Gandalf - 23.20
P. Guardiola - 35M - Cutch - 05:55
G. Mendieta - 30M - Cutch - 05:55
R Keane - 60M - rpitroda 07:43
P. Scholes - 55M - Crappy- 07.50
S Gerrard - 37M - kps88 08.02
Adriano Correia -19m -Gandalf -08.08
Nedved 60m - MJJ - 08.20
Zidane - 71m - Gandalf - 8.40
Angel Di Maria - 10m - Edgar - 10:25
Eden hazard - 10m - Edgar - 10:25
Ivan de la Pena - 10m - Cutch - 10:23
Ljungberg-10m-paceme-10.26
Edgar Davids - 40m - Edgar - 12.45
J.R Riquelme - 27M -Cutch 12.58
G. Gattuso - 32m - Pol 13.55
Robben 30m - paceme - 15.12
A. Pirlo - 47M - Pol - 15:30
R.Giggs - 65M - VivaJ - 15:44
Bale - 25M - NoPace - 18:50
J. Verón - 31m - Balu 18:57
Jens jeremies - 14m-paceme-19:14
X.Alonso - 22m - NoPace - 19.50
Essien- 20m- NoPace -20:12
Defenders
Lahm - 45m - Edgar - 01:30
L.Thuram - 50M - Cutch - 05.55
N. Vidic - 43m - Gandalf - 6.05
G. Zambrotta - 30m - Edgar - 06:15
R. Carlos - 42m - kps88 - 06.13
A. Cole - 30m - Fergu'son - 06:59
J. Zanetti - 50m - Fergu'son - 06:59
R.Ferdinand - 48M - Aldo - 07.10
Lucio - 26m - Pol- 07.24
J. Terry - 34M - rpitroda - 07:24
G Neville - 32M - rpitroda - 07:24
E Abidal - 25M - rpitroda - 07:24
Cafu - 50M - Pippa - 09.45
Cannavaro - 35M - Pol - 12:28
C.gamarra-14m-paceme-12:37
P. Montero - 25m - cutch - 13:16
A. Nesta - 60M - cutch - 13:16
J. Stam - 35M - VivaJ - 15:25
Evra - 20M - VivaJ - 16:41
Puyol - 15m - NoPace - 18.50
T. Silva - 47m - Balu - 18:59
Sagnol- 20m- paceme-19:14
Vincent Kompany - 12m - kps88 - 19.29
R. Carvalho - 34M - kps88- 19.29
Marcelo - 21m - Pol - 19.31
Dani Alves - 30m - NoPace 19.51
Sol Campbell - 22m - VivaJ - 20:14
R. Ayala - 27m - rpitroda - 20:23
Goalkeepers
Valdes - 10m - Edgar - 10.09
Neuer - 15m - Balu - 18:58
Forwards
D. Drogba - 35m - Edgar - 01.30
Ronaldinho - 70M - Crappy- 02.21
L. Figo - 71M - Pippa - 05.26
Rooney - 42m - MJJ - 8.22
Rivaldo - 67m - MJJ - 8.51
Zlatan -15m- Gandalf -10.20
Neymar -10m - Gdalf -10.20
Shearer - 10m - kps88 - 10.40
Cavani -10m - Gandalf 10.55
van Nistelrooy - 20m - MJJ - 15.50
Raul - 25m - Balu - 18:56
Messi - 115m-paceme-19:56
C. Ronaldo - 90M - Crappy- 20.55
MIDFIELDERS
M. Ballack - 39m - Gandalf - 23.20
P. Guardiola - 35M - Cutch - 05:55
G. Mendieta - 30M - Cutch - 05:55
R Keane - 60M - rpitroda 07:43
P. Scholes - 55M - Crappy- 07.50
S Gerrard - 37M - kps88 08.02
Adriano Correia -19m -Gandalf -08.08
Nedved 60m - MJJ - 08.20
Zidane - 71m - Gandalf - 8.40
Angel Di Maria - 10m - Edgar - 10:25
Eden hazard - 10m - Edgar - 10:25
Ivan de la Pena - 10m - Cutch - 10:23
Ljungberg-10m-paceme-10.26
Edgar Davids - 40m - Edgar - 12.45
J.R Riquelme - 27M -Cutch 12.58
G. Gattuso - 32m - Pol 13.55
Robben 30m - paceme - 15.12
A. Pirlo - 47M - Pol - 15:30
R.Giggs - 65M - VivaJ - 15:44
Bale - 25M - NoPace - 18:50
J. Verón - 31m - Balu 18:57
Jens jeremies - 14m-paceme-19:14
X.Alonso - 22m - NoPace - 19.50
Essien- 20m- NoPace -20:12
Defenders
Lahm - 45m - Edgar - 01:30
L.Thuram - 50M - Cutch - 05.55
N. Vidic - 43m - Gandalf - 6.05
G. Zambrotta - 30m - Edgar - 06:15
R. Carlos - 42m - kps88 - 06.13
A. Cole - 30m - Fergu'son - 06:59
J. Zanetti - 50m - Fergu'son - 06:59
R.Ferdinand - 48M - Aldo - 07.10
Lucio - 26m - Pol- 07.24
J. Terry - 34M - rpitroda - 07:24
G Neville - 32M - rpitroda - 07:24
E Abidal - 25M - rpitroda - 07:24
Cafu - 50M - Pippa - 09.45
Cannavaro - 35M - Pol - 12:28
C.gamarra-14m-paceme-12:37
P. Montero - 25m - cutch - 13:16
A. Nesta - 60M - cutch - 13:16
J. Stam - 35M - VivaJ - 15:25
Evra - 20M - VivaJ - 16:41
Puyol - 15m - NoPace - 18.50
T. Silva - 47m - Balu - 18:59
Sagnol- 20m- paceme-19:14
Vincent Kompany - 12m - kps88 - 19.29
R. Carvalho - 34M - kps88- 19.29
Marcelo - 21m - Pol - 19.31
Dani Alves - 30m - NoPace 19.51
Sol Campbell - 22m - VivaJ - 20:14
R. Ayala - 27m - rpitroda - 20:23
Goalkeepers
Valdes - 10m - Edgar - 10.09
Neuer - 15m - Balu - 18:58
But Ronaldo's goal-a-game ratio or thereabouts was done with teams who didn't win the league every year like Zlatan's previous and current employers. And most importantly scoring 25 in 32 in '97/98 Serie A, defensively a far tougher league than anything the Swede has faced, is a hell of an achievement. I take your point though about Zlatan being seriously under-rated in drafts.
I named Zlatan as he is rated as a loser/nobody in these drafts. But the reality of course is somewhere in the middle, Zlatan is underrated but Ronaldo is certainly overrated.
Rooney has a similar record in Europe as Ronaldo, which shows that Ronaldo never performed in the CL over his career. Ronaldo scored 6, two times as his all time high and Rooney scored 4-5 in a season plenty of times.
For all Ronaldo's NT brilliance, one has to say he never performed in the Champions League anywhere near even Zlatan who of course is nowhere near Ronaldo/Messi.
Ronaldo is more at the level of Drogba/Rooney in champions league than the absolute best in terms of goal-scoring.
Just saying the thesis that Ronaldo will score against every defense every time that most voters has is very far off reality. He's more a scorer of great goals than a consistent goal-scorer who gets on the goal-sheet every game.
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Zlatan isn't underrated in these drafts, it's simply a matter of the fact that he's really tough to fit in a team with superstars. Look how badly he failed in Barca when the team wasn't team Zlatan. He needs a team built around him and based solely on making the best of him, and in these drafts it never happens.
I won't be hearing a bad word about Ronaldo. Dunno how to explain it but watching him live as in being part of football audience when he was at his pomp around 98 WC was something.
He actually performed great there until Messi took his slot centrally and he had to adjust like David Villa. If you mean he has to play centrally as a number 10/False-9 then I certainly agree.
No, I mean he has to be the target man for all the teams' movements. The minute he didn't get it in Barca he became shit, and that's why he's not right for 95% of the teams who play in these drafts.
He faced much tougher defences than the ones around today and shat on them all.
Zlatan scored five of those ten against Anderlecht, while a fat Ronaldo could hit US for three in some of our best years. He also happens to have scored the most World Cup goals, including eight in 2002 including a brace in the final.
But no, of course, he is vastly overrated.
No doubt that is the case! But then again if you want a false-9 with better goal-scoring ratio than him you just have one option and that is Messi.
Zlatan has scored 40 goals this season and has 16 assists. Totti who is the other desired false-9 scored half of that in his best seasons as a false-9.
So if you want a striker who provides world-class playmaking and more goals than Luiz Ronaldo - Zlatan is your man. But of course Zlatan is usually pushed aside quickly in these drafts for even half as producitve players.
This is the issue, he put haunting memories in United fans. But he never repeated that match in his CL career and it was an outstanding abnormality rather than something he performed repeatedly.
Ronaldo's hat trick at OT alone is far greater than anything Zlatan has done in CL. It's funny bringing up CL to defend Zlatan considering how he has been a massive flop in CL KO games over the years.
Agreed, one of those players who, like Cruyff, would need someone to sit down and think "How do I make people appreciate him?". The difference being Cruyff is worth doing that for.
By the way my point is not about Zlatan, I'd personally not go for him either even if he is nifty in a post 70's draft most surely.
It is mainly that most voters consider Ronaldo to be certain of scoring at least one against any defense he is up against. Which is complete bollocks which his NT stats, League stats and CL stats proves.
It is mainly that most voters consider Ronaldo to be certain of scoring at least one against any defense he is up against. Which is complete bollocks which his NT stats, League stats and CL stats proves.
Given his Barca form is taken into account, just one goal is being generous to opposition defenders.
How so? La Liga defenses in the 96-97 season managed to keep his stats below that? In the CL he scored 5 goals in 7 games so they managed it too.
This Barcelona team was also superior to the opponents they faced. They won the two season after he left as well without him.
Ronaldo was scoring 47 in 49 at 20 basically one goal every game, at his peak he is another level to Ibra entirely. Also played in an era where there were a lot of great defenders.
Plus the fact that he punished the best of defenders is what makes it almost certain that he will score here. That is the level of defenders going up against up, Nesta, Thuram, Cannavaro, etc and he punished each and every one of them.
That performance against Parma where he destroyed Thuram and Cannavaro!
That performance against Parma where he destroyed Thuram and Cannavaro!
Watch some of Ronaldo's Inter performances. He merged classic centre-forward with dropping into the hole like a number 10 and still span around and ripped shit out of defenders who jizz over most of today's lot.
Read my last post. You've gone in an opposite direction, if anything destroying the best of defenses is something only he managed.
You are comparing him to Ibra, he was in Vidic's pocket in 09.
One of my favourite videos on YouTube
Ronaldo actually bottled it against most CL opponents for his entire career.
Zlatan is nowhere near Ronaldo, I am just suggesting that Ronaldo is not a player who will score a goal every game. Why? Because he never did even if he played for vastly superior teams like Barcelona that year.
Damn! That video gives me goosebumps! O Fenomeno!
Bottled it based on your silly scoring stats?
Again tell me another player who dominated the level of defenders Ronaldo did?
You are missing one key issue here: the CL today isn't what it was in the 90s. When Ronaldo was at his peak his teams unfortunately played in other, then much stronger, European competitions. In 1996-97 with Barca he entered the CWC, and won it. In 1997-98 with Inter he entered the UEFA Cup, and won it. In 1998-99 with Inter they entered the CL, he was already struggling with injuries, so much so he missed their first leg against us so he was rushed back to try rescue the tie with us 2-0 up and had to be withdrawn early when it was clear it was all doing more harm than good for him physically and Inter as a team.
By then he was a crock already. Thankfully we still managed to get a bit more of him in spurts like at OT, or in Korea-Japan, but assessing him as inconsistent on that basis is just wrong really. It's actually a miracle he managed that after all he went through.
As a goal-scorer he certainly bottled it in the CL as he has the same stats or worse than Drogba. Ronaldo is a great player and he had plenty in his locker that he is alone in this draft with. But goal-scoring was not his main forte which people seem to have got confused.
Assuming he "will score at least one per game" is ridiculous as he has never done that. Messi/C.Ronaldo/Zlatan are better goal-scorers than Ronaldo in terms of consistently scoring a goal.
If you are looking at a match-winning moment, goal or not, then suddenly Ronaldo rises.
Yeap. Exactly what I was talking about
215m on 3 players. Crappys gone and broke the gentlemans agreement he was the founder of
I am counting all his continental matches, not just CL. His only season of scoring more than once a game came in PSV 95-96. After that he never scored a 1:1 goal ratio again.
But then again I would not assume Messi would score 1:1 either, unless he had the right circumstances for it.
Are people really drooling over a strikers performance in a 3-1 loss?
215m on 3 players. Crappys gone and broke the gentlemans agreement he was the founder of
@crappycraperson215m on 3 players. Crappys gone and broke the gentlemans agreement he was the founder of
85m for 8 players is fine!
Needs 9 for the minimum of 12
It has been changed to 11 minimum players!
So you are saying a bottler like Zlatan who has failed on multiple occasions when it mattered has a better chance of getting a goal because of silly records against Bastia and Anderlecht as opposed to Ronaldo who hardly left any great defender of his generation unpunished?
A friend of mine recently interviewed Cannavaro, and one of his questions was "Who was your toughest opponent?" and without taking a moment the answer straight away was Ronaldo. A player like him is practically impossible to cope with, that large frame with that much close control and dribbling running at you with full pelt! And be rest assured, the answer will be the exact same if you ask Thuram, Nesta, Rio, Maldini, whoever.
Again, different times and competitions. The European tournos then had stronger teams. Basically, the UEFA Cup was largely played by the current dropouts from the CL and not the dross that qualify for it. The CWC was a prestigious competition, not one that the third placed team in the Cup went to because the stronger ones went to the CL instead. There were less group stages with crap teams, more knockouts rounds which lend themselves to more conservative approaches as any slip can be costly... It all amounts to less goals scored.
European competitions in the 90 were much much better across the board so don't even begin comparing one and the other. Find me someone who consistently scored a goal a game in the 90s in Europe. No one did, those who did managed it in one-off seasons and always in the CL, which had a group stage. It's not because everyone was shit and no one could hold a candle to Messi or Cristiano, football was just different and they wouldn't have kept the same stats. Awesome players and among the best in whatever era you place them in, but stat-comparing exercises are fundamentally flawed.