Transfer Muppet Fantasy

Edgar Allan Pillow said:
None of the midfielders I want made the list. Seeing we might need around 60 each of midfielders and defenders, the 55 player limit is starting to make less sense.
Think we should have 3 threads for defenders, midfielders and forwards and get on with 55 each!
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@Polaroid
Was originally opposed to the idea. But this is making little sense by now. All players who made the first list will be highly inflated and won't be worth it at all by the looks of it. There is no reason at all to not include all players right away to get a more fair range of prices.

We are just doing a repeat on the positional draft which was flawed because Messi and Ronaldo weren't in the same "list" but now we got Pirlo who isn't in the same list as Scholes.

Why not just include all players? Not like a list three times longer will cause any issues. It is incredibly simple so far.
 
If you think they're inflated don't bid on them.
 
Total players : 55

Forwards
Adriano - 10M - Pippa - 12.0
Ronaldo - 95M - Fergus - 16:25
Rooney - 40 M - Stobzilla - 18:00
Messi - 102m - paceme - 21:58
Rivaldo - 60M - Cutch - 22.12
D. Drogba - 35m - Edgar - 01.30
C. Ronaldo - 85M - Aldo- 2.06
Ronaldinho - 70M - Crappy- 23.45
L. Figo - 69M - MJJ - 02:37

Midfielders
Kily Gonzalez - 10M - Cutch - 12.00
Joaquin - 10M - Cutch - 12.00
P. Guardiola - 25M - Cutch - 12.00
G. Mendieta - 20M - Cutch - 12.00
Iniesta-70m-paceme-15:07
Xavi - 57m-Annah- 15:11
Busquets - 54m-Annah-15:11
Zidane - 65M - MJJ 18.06
J.R Riquelme - 25M -MJJ 18.06
C. Seedorf - 35M - VivaJ - 17.10
R.Giggs - 50M - MJJ 18.06
G. Gattuso - 25m - MJJ 18.06
D. Beckham - 40M - rpitroda -18:10
J. Verón - 25m - Stobzilla 1810
S. Gerrard - 32M- kps88 19:33
R. Pires - 32M - Pippa - 19.39
L.Enrique - 38M - VivaJ - 19.1
E. Cambiasso - 25m -Gandalf - 20.40
M. Ballack - 35M - Gandalf - 23.20
R. Keane - 52M - Crappy- 00.07
P. Scholes - 52M - VivaJ - 00:31
P. Nedved - 45m - Crappy- 01:25



Defenders
A. Cole - 25M - Pippa - 12.00
Marcelo - 10M - VivaJ - 12.00
L. Piszczek - 10M - VivaJ - 12.00
A. Nesta - 50M - Cutch - 12:08
J. Terry - 30m - paceme - 13.28
L.Thuram - 40M - Cutch - 13:40
Cafu - 40M - Fergus' son - 13:53
R. Carlos - 40 - Gandalf - 14.29
Lucio - 15m - Gandalf - 15.21
J. Zanetti - 40M - Pippa - 19:39
T. Silva - 39M - Pippa - 19.39
R. Carvalho - 22m - paceme - 21:54
Abidal- 22m - paceme - 21:54
G. Neville - 25m - Gandalf - 22.30
N. Vidic - 37M - VivaJ 23:07
R. Ayala - 25m- Crappy- 23:51
G. Zambrotta - 25m - Edgar- 01:30
Lahm - 45m - Edgar - 01:30
R.Ferdinand - 38M - Aldo - 2.06

Goalkeepers
M. Neuer - 10M - Crappy- 12.00
E. Van der Sar - 15M - VivaJ - 12.00
P. Cech - 10M - kps88 - 12.00
G. Buffon - 15M -Cutch - 12.08
I. Casillas - 15m - Gandalf- 14:24

@MJJ - Ronaldinhio
 
Annahnomoss said:
@Polaroid
Was originally opposed to the idea. But this is making little sense by now. All players who made the first list will be highly inflated and won't be worth it at all by the looks of it. There is no reason at all to not include all players right away to get a more fair range of prices.

We are just doing a repeat on the positional draft which was flawed because Messi and Ronaldo weren't in the same "list" but now we got Pirlo who isn't in the same list as Scholes.

Why not just include all players? Not like a list three times longer will cause any issues. It is incredibly simple so far.
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That's what happens in auctions mate.

You can either get in a bid war for players who come earlier.

Or wait it out for others.

Both have drawbacks and advantages. May be you end up overpaying now or if multiple people are waiting for someone.. u can end up overpaying later.

You have to make a call yourself
 
Theon said:
If you think they're inflated don't bid on them.
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Polaroid chose to restart the last draft because players like Messi and Ronaldo could end up available at different times.

This draft has the exact same issue, which means we restarted the last draft without solving this.

@crappycraperson I don't disagree with that. My point is that Polaroid chose to restart the last draft because of this very issue.
 
Total players : 55

Forwards
Adriano - 10M - Pippa - 12.00
Ronaldo - 95M - Fergus - 16:25
Rooney - 40 M - Stobzilla - 18:00
Messi - 102m - paceme - 21:58
Rivaldo - 60M - Cutch - 22.12
D. Drogba - 35m - Edgar - 01.30
C. Ronaldo - 85M - Aldo- 2.06
Ronaldinho - 70M - Crappy- 02.21
L. Figo - 69M - MJJ - 2.27


Midfielders
Kily Gonzalez - 10M - Cutch - 12.00
Joaquin - 10M - Cutch - 12.00
P. Guardiola - 25M - Cutch - 12.00
G. Mendieta - 20M - Cutch - 12.00
Iniesta-70m-paceme-15:07
Xavi - 57m-Annah- 15:11
Busquets - 54m-Annah-15:11
Zidane - 65M - MJJ 18.06
J.R Riquelme - 25M -MJJ 18.06
C. Seedorf - 35M - VivaJ - 17.10
R.Giggs - 50M - MJJ 18.06
G. Gattuso - 25m - MJJ 18.06
D. Beckham - 40M - rpitroda -18:10
J. Verón - 25m - Stobzilla 1810
S. Gerrard - 32M- kps88 19:33
R. Pires - 32M - Pippa - 19.39
L.Enrique - 38M - VivaJ - 19.1
E. Cambiasso - 25m -Gandalf - 20.40
M. Ballack - 35M - Gandalf - 23.20
R. Keane - 52M - Crappy- 00.07
P. Scholes - 52M - VivaJ - 00:31
P. Nedved - 45m - Crappy- 01:25



Defenders
A. Cole - 25M - Pippa - 12.00
Marcelo - 10M - VivaJ - 12.00
L. Piszczek - 10M - VivaJ - 12.00
A. Nesta - 50M - Cutch - 12:08
J. Terry - 30m - paceme - 13.28
L.Thuram - 40M - Cutch - 13:40
Cafu - 40M - Fergus' son - 13:53
R. Carlos - 40 - Gandalf - 14.29
J. Zanetti - 40M - Pippa - 19:39
T. Silva - 39M - Pippa - 19.39
R. Carvalho - 22m - paceme - 21:54
Abidal- 22m - paceme - 21:54
G. Neville - 25m - Gandalf - 22.30
N. Vidic - 37M - VivaJ 23:07
R. Ayala - 25m- Crappy- 23:51
G. Zambrotta - 25m - Edgar- 01:30
Lahm - 45m - Edgar - 01:30
R.Ferdinand - 38M - Aldo - 2.06
Lucio - 20m- Crappy- 02.32


Goalkeepers
M. Neuer - 10M - Crappy- 12.00
E. Van der Sar - 15M - VivaJ - 12.00
P. Cech - 10M - kps88 - 12.00
G. Buffon - 15M -Cutch - 12.08
I. Casillas - 15m - Gandalf- 14:24

@Gandalf Greyhame Lucio
 
Annahnomoss said:
Polaroid chose to restart the last draft because players like Messi and Ronaldo could end up available at different times.

This draft has the exact same issue, which means we restarted the last draft without solving this.

@crappycraperson I don't disagree with that. My point is that Polaroid chose to restart the last draft because of this very issue.
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The ideal solution is not practical, which is why the 55 cap was set. If not you would have 120 odd players being bid at the same time, and would be harder to keep track of. Already it's a bit much if you ask me.
 
Annahnomoss said:
Polaroid chose to restart the last draft because players like Messi and Ronaldo could end up available at different times.

This draft has the exact same issue, which means we restarted the last draft without solving this.

@crappycraperson I don't disagree with that. My point is that Polaroid chose to restart the last draft because of this very issue.
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His point was about diving players into different positions. He was never against stage based auctions.
 
AldoPaine18 said:
The ideal solution is not practical, which is why the 55 cap was set. If not you would have 120 odd players being bid at the same time, and would be harder to keep track of. Already it's a bit much if you ask me.
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It is not just about tracking. You can't have so many players out for sale at once, it defeats the purpose of auction.

In fact I won't even be against just having 20 players in there at one time

Ideally it would be one player at a time but that is obviously not possible
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
How many places do you think will open after noon today?
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Dunno about noon but in another 24 hours I think 5-10 will open for sure. There will be a 10 hour window where more will open once bids mature.

As it is I don't see FatRonaldo's rising too much. Same for a few others
 
crappycraperson said:
It is not just about tracking. You can't have so many players out for sale at once, it defeats the purpose of auction.

In fact I won't even be against just having 20 players in there at one time

Ideally it would be one player at a time but that is obviously not possible
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Indeed, if everyone of us were guaranteed to be online at the same time, it should be one player at a time. That is ideal.
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
How many places do you think will open after noon today?
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Noon? Not much man. Depends on when a player's expected peak value is reached. For example no one would likely bid for Adriano so at least that will open.
 
Annahnomoss said:
I think the answer to this will tell if we need to solve it or if everything is alright.
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why does it matter when these player go? there is no time limit for while auction. at some point or another players WILL sell. Even if it means going for inflated prices.
 
I think eventually we have landed on the nominations method that was talked about earlier. This is similar to that, instead of 2 per manager we have just allowed to nominate as many till it's 55 and then wait, and if no one bids on your player you are the one who gets it.
 
crappycraperson said:
Dunno about noon but in another 24 hours I think 5-10 will open for sure. There will be a 10 hour window where more will open once bids mature.

As it is I don't see FatRonaldo's rising too much. Same for a few others
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AldoPaine18 said:
Indeed, if everyone of us were guaranteed to be online at the same time, it should be one player at a time. That is ideal.

Noon? Not much man. Depends on when a player's expected peak value is reached. For example no one would likely bid for Adriano so at least that will open.
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Theon said:
Why is that relevant?

Have some patience, this is a fast draft as it is. I don't see the problem.
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5-10 success per noon is normal. Think how long will it take to get to 176 success?
 
If some people desire a player for player auction and of course some favour a larger one. Then I think this is nothing but fair.
 
Annahnomoss said:
If some people desire a player for player auction and of course some favour a larger one. Then I think this is nothing but fair.
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The crucial element in taking care of "who comes first" is the fact that what you nominate is yours if no one bids. So because of that, the quality of players will be much likely the order of ranking according to quality. Look at the current list, these are pretty much the top hitters in most positions, of course it's 55 and there's more than 55 top players in this category but it's not like we are forced to spend loads on rubbish players or something.
 
AldoPaine18 said:
4-5 days max is my guess. Probably earlier.

This is surely quicker than a regular snake draft.
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How did you work that out? Even if there are 10 success every 24hrs, it still takes 18 days, right? And after this round it will be more on quantity with less bidding as all managers would want 10m players to compensate.

Any ways, my point was just on wait time just ballooning up.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
How did you work that out? Even if there are 10 success every 24hrs, it still takes 18 days, right? And after this round it will be more on quantity with less bidding as all managers would want 10m players to compensate.

Any ways, my point was just on wait time just ballooning up.
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It's a continuation, right? I mean, there will be say 1-2 successes at noon, but as the individual deadlines keep expiring the successes will keep happening. So there will be successes all throughout the day. Only the first day would be slow because all bids started from 10. But tomorrow evening or so onwards, you will have 1-2 successes in regular intervals.
 
Wait time won't ballon up but go down... once someone gets two CBs.. he won't bid for others and so on...

With less number of bidders for players, it will take less time.
 
AldoPaine18 said:
It's a continuation, right? I mean, there will be say 1-2 successes at noon, but as the individual deadlines keep expiring the successes will keep happening. So there will be successes all throughout the day. Only the first day would be slow because all bids started from 10. But tomorrow evening or so onwards, you will have 1-2 successes in regular intervals.
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I'm expecting 10 success over a 24hr period with continuing deadlines. I think this is uncharted territory. I can wait it out! If it does run faster, then all's good!
 
Polaroid has stated that managers can raise their own bids by the way without restarting the countdown timer.
 
what are we doing about the last manager.. we need to rope someone in quick.. with deadlines coming
 
Polaroid said:
No idea, Annah asked if he could so I said yes, he could without restarting the timer
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Was thinking about doing it as a joke first. Then I realized someone may actually want to do it to keep the deadline. So just wanted to get a clarification on an otherwise grey-zone out.
 
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