Transfer Muppet Fantasy

Yeah, feel free to buy more players :). Just add players to your team until my budget is the biggest again for the next round :drool:
 
Theon said:
Nope, if he goes out or we go out then it's just 2M.
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Why is allowed to use 6m right now, which he does not have? That makes no sense is not fair what so ever.

I hope @Polaroid has not sanctioned this blatant breaking of rules.

I have no idea why people can just respect rules and I won't be partaking this draft any more if this is allowed to go through.

@antohan can take over my team or someone can get a pass.
 
crappycraperson said:
Why is allowed to use 6m right now, which he does not have? That makes no sense is not fair what so ever.

I hope @Polaroid has not sanctioned this blatant breaking of rules.

I have no idea why people can just respect rules and I won't be partaking this draft any more if this is allowed to go through.

@antohan can take over my team or someone can get a pass.
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How is this breaking any rules?

He's buying him for 2m with a condition that if we both get through then he'll pay a further 6m. I don't see the problem.
 
Balu said:
I guess the risk missing out on those 6m is part of the deal. If Pol/Theon go out, Annah is lucky and got him for 2m. If Annah goes out, bad luck, then they sold him for 2m. Only if both go through, the additional 6m will be paid.
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That makes no sense.

In the first case, Annah gains 6m over others for no good reason. In fact that does not even matter, the issue is he is effectively using 6m more than anyone else right now due based on FUTURE funds. There is no difference to that and me using 320m initially and paying off the 20m when I gain 50m next round.

Imagine if I offered my future 50m to MJJ right now for Keane? How would that be fair?
 
Theon said:
How is this breaking any rules?

He's buying him for 2m with a condition that if we both get through then he'll pay a further 6m. I don't see the problem.
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I don't mind the deal, but I get crappy's problem. You're strengthening a different team with the idea of making a profit later. If he goes through because of Müller, he essentially bought his ticket to the next round with money that he didn't have. I could give out loans for example. Let's say I loan Annah 10m, he has to give me 20m back in the next round and he can buy a player now? Would that be allowed?
 
Theon said:
How is this breaking any rules?

He's buying him for 2m with a condition that if we both get through then he'll pay a further 6m. I don't see the problem.
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TBH I am tired of all this now. Do you not see he is using 6m from his future funds to secure a deal now?

It is blatant cheating in my book and makes little sense for me to continue if this is allowed to happen, especially if everyone else other than me is fine with it.
 
Balu said:
I don't mind the deal, but I get crappy's problem. You're strengthening a different team with the idea of making a profit later. If he goes through because of Müller, he essentially bought his ticket to the next round with money that he didn't have. I could give out loans for example. Let's say I loan Annah 10m, he has to give me 20m back in the next round and he can buy a player now? Would that be allowed?
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Exactly. It would not be fair to Annah's opponents, I am baffled how anyone could think otherwise.
 
Balu said:
I don't mind the deal, but I get crappy's problem. You're strengthening a different team with the idea of making a profit later. If he goes through because of Müller, he essentially bought his ticket to the next round with money that he didn't have. I could give out loans for example. Let's say I loan Annah 10m, he has to give me 20m back in the next round and he can buy a player now? Would that be allowed?
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Well I think those two things are different, we're not trying to make a profit later - just sell him for what we feel is the fair price. 2M would be too low, Overmars went for 6m just before.

I don't think selling Muller for 8m is a big deal, and the idea isn't to make a profit by loaning money or anything like that.

People were suggesting giving money and players to Edgar earlier, yet this isn't allowed?
 
Theon said:
Well I think those two things are different, we're not trying to make a profit later - just sell him for what we feel is the fair price. 2M would be too low, Overmars went for 6m just before.

I don't think selling Muller for 8m is a big deal, and the idea isn't to make a profit by loaning money or anything like that.
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But you couldn't sell him at all for 8m now? No one would buy him? So you need to strengthen an opponent with a cheap deal to help him go through, so that you gain more money later?
 
Balu said:
But you couldn't sell him at all for 8m now? No one would buy him? So you need to strengthen an opponent with a cheap deal to help him go through, so that you gain more money later?
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Definitely not. That is way, way over the top. Trying to make him go through wasn't on our minds at all.

Fine though - if people have a problem with it, then we'll just sell him for 2m.
 
crappycraperson said:
TBH I am tired of all this now. Do you not see he is using 6m from his future funds to secure a deal now?

It is blatant cheating in my book and makes little sense for me to continue if this is allowed to happen, especially if everyone else other than me is fine with it.
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Fair enough man - I don't see a problem with it, but its fair enough if you do.

We'll just sell him for 2M
 
Theon said:
Fair enough man - I don't see a problem with it, but its fair enough if you do.

We'll just sell him for 2M
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Thanks

I have some anger issues so sometimes my posts come out a bit too strong :lol: Don't take it personally.

If that 10m on Seedorf is your last bid, we can have @Cutch do the draw
 
I actually like my loan idea. Is this allowed now or not?

(starts running before crappy's anger issues catch up with me)
 
Theon said:
Fair enough man - I don't see a problem with it, but its fair enough if you do.

We'll just sell him for 2M
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Alright mate, sucks but fair play for going through with it. I will adjust the player/team list.
 
Updated player list: Müller added to Annahnomoss from Polaroid for 2 millions.

Annahmoss - 12 players Xavi 66M, Busquets 54M, Iniesta 89M (from paceme), Neymar 12m(from GG) D.Silva 18m, Valdes(Dida>Edgar) 10m, Dante 10M , Boateng 10m, Lewandowski 10M, Zabaleta 10M(Sold for 20mill to Kps88), Ramos(10 mill from EAP, 4 mill goes Aldo forEAP's dept to Aldo) Capdevila 10M, Ronaldo(BRA) 59M, Müller 2 mill = 0M

paceme - 15 players Iniesta (70=>89M), Robben 30M, Messi (115m), Gammara (20m), Jeremies (14m), Ljungberg 20m >>>Pedro, Scholl 22m, Samuel 22m, Lopez 10m, ivanovic 14m, Schweinsteiger 40m, Pessotto 10m, Lahm 20m, Evra 10m, Stam 17m, Cocu 5m = 0m

MJJ - 14 players Giggs (Nedved (60m) -14m), Sagna (10m) Ronaldo(102m) DDG(10m) Shearer(25m), Varane 10m, Felipe Luis 10m, Emerson 12m, Rooney 34m,Marquez 14m, Fabregas 12m, Cole 10m, Nesta 25m, Keane 30m = 0m

Crappy - 14 players Ronaldinho (70m), Scholes(55m), P.Montero(27m), D.Alves(32m), Peruzzi (10m), Ribery(40m), Sorin(12m)(sold to EAP 4m), Van Persie(10m), De Rossi(22m), Helguera(11m) Naybet 10M, Martinez (10m), R.Carlos (24m), Sol Campbell (10m) = 11m

Aldo - 15 players Rio Ferdinand 48m, Hazard 10m, Puyol 24m, Courtois 10m, Henry 55m, Makelele 32m, Rui Costa (34M-->30M to VivaJ), Vieira 53m, [Eto'o + (6m + 4m) = (Kaka 33m sales to Edgar), Kroos 10m, Sergi 12M, Ferrer 12M Rui Costa 10m, Pirlo (16m) Zanetti 18m, Gattuso 10m, [Ballack + 1m = Makelele (sold to EAP)] = 4m

Balu - 14 players Verón (31m), Neuer (15m), Abidal (Keane (65m) - 35m), Sagnol (28m), Crespo (17m), Simeone (22m), Cannavaro (45m), Cocu (18m-5m (sold to paceme)), Overmars (15m - 6m (sold to EAP)) C. López 10M Materazzi 14M, Davids 20m, Thuram 33m, Nedved (Giggs 17m+14m), del Piero 12m = 20 m

Edgalf - 16 players Casillas 19m, Vidic 43m, Adriano 19m, Cambiasso 29M, Ballack 39m, Zidane 71m, Cavani 10m, Zlatan 15m, (Neymar-10->12m), Baines 10m, Valencia 10m, Hummels 12m, Rafinha 10m, Carrick 10m, Deco 10m, Zambrotta 10m, T. Silva (14m) Makelele 1m (from Aldo), Sorin (bought from crappy 4m), Overmars (bought from Balu) 6m, Beckham 10m = 0m.

Pol/Theon - 13 players Lucio (26m), Marcelo (21m) Cafú (52m) Rivaldo (69m), Lloris (10m) Modric (18m) Gallas (12m) Vidal (25m), Shevchenko (31) Maschherano (10m), Figo (18m) Kaka (10m)(Muller sold to Annah for 2 millions)= 30m
 
Balu said:
I actually like my loan idea. Is this allowed now or not?

(starts running before crappy's anger issues catch up with me)
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You should have done it all sneaky like. Buy a player off someone for 10m and get them to buy a player of you for 20m in the next round pirovided they go through.

*Am going to be charging 110% commission for my idea.
 
Updated player list: Added Ruud

Annahmoss - 12 players Xavi 66M, Busquets 54M, Iniesta 89M (from paceme), Neymar 12m(from GG) D.Silva 18m, Valdes(Dida>Edgar) 10m, Dante 10M , Boateng 10m, Lewandowski 10M, Zabaleta 10M(Sold for 20mill to Kps88), Ramos(10 mill from EAP, 4 mill goes Aldo forEAP's dept to Aldo) Capdevila 10M, Ronaldo(BRA) 59M, Müller 2 mill = 0M

paceme - 15 players Iniesta (70=>89M), Robben 30M, Messi (115m), Gammara (20m), Jeremies (14m), Ljungberg 20m >>>Pedro, Scholl 22m, Samuel 22m, Lopez 10m, ivanovic 14m, Schweinsteiger 40m, Pessotto 10m, Lahm 20m, Evra 10m, Stam 17m, Cocu 5m = 0m

MJJ - 14 players Giggs (Nedved (60m) -14m), Sagna (10m) Ronaldo(102m) DDG(10m) Shearer(25m), Varane 10m, Felipe Luis 10m, Emerson 12m, Rooney 34m,Marquez 14m, Fabregas 12m, Cole 10m, Nesta 25m, Keane 30m = 0m

Crappy - 14 players Ronaldinho (70m), Scholes(55m), P.Montero(27m), D.Alves(32m), Peruzzi (10m), Ribery(40m), Sorin(12m)(sold to EAP 4m), Van Persie(10m), De Rossi(22m), Helguera(11m) Naybet 10M, Martinez (10m), R.Carlos (24m), Sol Campbell (10m), RVN (10m) = 1m

Aldo - 15 players Rio Ferdinand 48m, Hazard 10m, Puyol 24m, Courtois 10m, Henry 55m, Makelele 32m, Rui Costa (34M-->30M to VivaJ), Vieira 53m, [Eto'o + (6m + 4m) = (Kaka 33m sales to Edgar), Kroos 10m, Sergi 12M, Ferrer 12M Rui Costa 10m, Pirlo (16m) Zanetti 18m, Gattuso 10m, [Ballack + 1m = Makelele (sold to EAP)] = 4m

Balu - 14 players Verón (31m), Neuer (15m), Abidal (Keane (65m) - 35m), Sagnol (28m), Crespo (17m), Simeone (22m), Cannavaro (45m), Cocu (18m-5m (sold to paceme)), Overmars (15m - 6m (sold to EAP)) C. López 10M Materazzi 14M, Davids 20m, Thuram 33m, Nedved (Giggs 17m+14m), del Piero 12m = 20 m

Edgalf - 16 players Casillas 19m, Vidic 43m, Adriano 19m, Cambiasso 29M, Ballack 39m, Zidane 71m, Cavani 10m, Zlatan 15m, (Neymar-10->12m), Baines 10m, Valencia 10m, Hummels 12m, Rafinha 10m, Carrick 10m, Deco 10m, Zambrotta 10m, T. Silva (14m) Makelele 1m (from Aldo), Sorin (bought from crappy 4m), Overmars (bought from Balu) 6m, Beckham 10m = 0m.

Pol/Theon - 13 players Lucio (26m), Marcelo (21m) Cafú (52m) Rivaldo (69m), Lloris (10m) Modric (18m) Gallas (12m) Vidal (25m), Shevchenko (31) Maschherano (10m), Figo (18m) Kaka (10m)(Muller sold to Annah for 2 millions)= 30m
 
There was a precedent earlier with regards to installment or deferred payment, there was no objections then so it was allowed to proceed. MJJ knows about it too
Would like to hear everyone's thoughts on this before allowing/banning it henceforth

Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Me and @Aldo have a deal agreed. Eto'o + 10m (6+4) cash = Kaka. Updated below.

People should update their teams.


rpitroda - 12 players D. Beckham 40M, J. Terry 34m, G. Neville 32m, R. Keane (Abidal (25m)+ 35m) R. V. Nistelrooy 25m, S. Hyppia 14m, Pedro 10m, Reina 10m, G. V. Bronckhorst 10m, Y. Toure 29m, C. Tevez 10m, S. Aguero 10m = 16m.

Annahmoss - 6 players Xavi 66M, Busquests 54M, Iniesta 89M (from paceme), Neymar 12m(from GG) D.Silva 18m, Valdes(Dida>Edgar) 10m = 51M

VivaJanuzaj - 11 players Van der Sar 15M, Piszczek 10M, Seedorf 35M, Enrique 38M, Giggs 65M, Jaap Stam 40M, Rui Costa(30M from Aldo), E.Petit 10M, F. de Boer 14M, Alaba 20m, Vieri 10m = 13M

Pippa - 10 players Pires 32M + Figo 71M + Adriano 10M + Cole 34M + Baraja 10M + Silva 49M + Salgado 10M + Ayala 29M + César 10M + Albelda 10M + Eto'o 24M (sold for 16M) = 27m left

Gandalf - 11 players Casillas 19m, Vidic 43m, Adriano 19m, Cambiasso 29M, Ballack 39M, Zidane 71m, Cavani 10m, Zlatan 15m, (Neymar-10->12m), Baines 10m, Valencia 10m, Hummels 12m = 25M left.

Fergus - 8 players Ronaldo 95m, Zanetti 50m, Angel di Maria 15m, Kompany 20m, (Raul sold 30M--> 15m) Del Piero 25M, Toldo 12M, Alba 13M, Martinez 23m = 32M

Cutch - 11 players Buffon 15m, Thuram 50m, Nesta 60m, Chiellini 30m, Joaquin 10m Ivan De La Pena 10m, Guardiola 39m, Mendieta 34m, Kily Gonzalez 10m, Juan Roman Riquelme 27m, Raul 15m = 300m (0m left)

kps 88 - 6 players Cech 10M Carlos 42m R. Carvalho 34M Gerrard 42 Davids 45 Villa 12m = 115m

paceme - 12 players Iniesta (70=>89M), Robben 30M, Messi (115m), Gammara (20m), Jeremies (14m), Ljungberg 20m, Scholl 22m, Samuel 22m, Lopez 10m, ivanovic 14m, Schweinsteiger 40m, Pessotto 10m, =2m

MJJ - 9 players Nedved (60m), Sagna (10m) Ronaldo(102m) DDG(10m) Shearer(25m), Varane 10m, Felipe Luis 10m, Emerson 12m, Rooney 34m = 27m

Edgar - 11 players Drogba 35m, Lahm 45m, Zambrotta 30m, Dida 10m(Valdes>Annah), Gattuso 35m, Pirlo 55m, Sergio Ramos 16m, Andersson 12m, Malouda 10m, Heinze 10m, Kaka 22m (+4m) = 20m

Crappy - 9 players Ronaldinho (70m), Scholes(55m), P.Montero(27m), D.Alves(32m), Peruzzi (10m), Ribery(40m), Sorin(12m), Van Persie(10m), De Rossi(22m)= 22m

Aldo - 9 players Rio Ferdinand 48m, Hazard 10m, Puyol 24m, Courtois 10m, Henry 55m, Makelele 32m, Rui Costa (34M-->30M to VivaJ), Vieira 53m, [Eto'o + (6m + 4m) = (Kaka 33m sales to Edgar) = 37m (+4m)

Balu - 7 players Verón (31m), Neuer (15m), Abidal (Keane (65m) - 35m), Sagnol (28m), Crespo (17m), Simeone (22m), Cannavaro (45m), Cocu (18m) = 94m

NoPace - 7 players Bale (25m), Evra (28m), X Alonso (28m), Suarez 20m, Essien 24m, Sol Campbell 25m, Lampard 20 = 130m

Pol/Theon - 9 players Lucio (26m), Marcelo (21m) Cafú (52m) Rivaldo (69m), Lloris (10m) Modric (18m) Gallas (12m) Vidal (25m), Shevchenko (31) = 36m
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Aldo said:
Yeah it is in installments. He gave me 6 now, 4 will be given later.

As for the latter name swapping is just simplifying the fact that once he gets Kroos for example, he will sell him to me for the same price, which is a part of the deal.

As of now I have 37 which is greater than 12, 12 and 10.
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MJJ said:
Think the one I have done above is accurate. If he is only getting 6m now, then his final balance comes down to 1m. Although edgar has 14m left over by my calculations, not 20m.
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Aldo said:
Yes it is based on a planned sale, which if doesn't go through, I don't get the 4m. Like a clause.

And again yes for the second part, Edgar is under no obligation wrt Kroos. In fact, because the initial deal fell off, he had to give up on him.
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Polaroid said:
Word of caution on installment or deferred payment- they should not be considered as funds for receiving teams yet, also if the paying team gets eliminated and their players go into the pool ie it is default of payment and the receiving team has no choice but to write off that debt
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The problem is not on deal terms but on undervalued transfers. Con is strengthening other teams. Pro being any money in hand is better than more in bench.

Thinking more, the best solution would be on minimum transfer pricing at base price of 10m. This will prevent player swaps too as no one will want to trade a player he will not use.
 
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