Bitter much, don't see how you can compare different years races, if they all did today's stage next week it would be completely different
Tour De France 2013
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I'm saying the opposite. Frantic pace before the climb should have slowed everything down. I think we are in agreement.
I am in agreement. It was the longest stage of the Tour, and if it was at a frantic pace then, it would have slowed the whole thing down. However, the fact that he did do it as fast as others who have been found doped up in the past does raise the question. Plus his acceleration towards the end raises the question after such a long ride too, which reminds me of Armstrong and Pantani in 2000.
MONT VENTOUX (last 15.65 km [from St. Esteve], 8.74 %, 1368 m)Would also like to see the records for this Ventoux (how fast the riders have climbed it) if anyone has them.
----TOP 50 LIST
-1. Lance Armstrong ______ USA | 48:33 | 2002
-2. Chris Froome _________ GBR | 48:35 | 2013-
3. Andy Schleck _________ LUX | 48.57 | 2009
-4. Alberto Contador _____ ESP | 48:57 | 2009
-5. Lance Armstrong ______ USA | 49:00 | 2009
-6. Marco Pantani ________ ITA | 49:01 | 2000
-7. Lance Armstrong ______ USA | 49:01 | 2000
-8. Frank Schleck ________ LUX | 49:02 | 2009-
9. Nairo Quintana _______ COL | 49:04 | 2013
10. Roman Kreuziger ______ CZE | 49:05 | 2009
11. Franco Pellizotti ____ ITA | 49:15 | 2009
12. Vincenzo Nibali ______ ITA | 49:17 | 2009
13. Bradley Wiggins ______ GBR | 49:22 | 2009
14. Joseba Beloki ________ ESP | 49:26 | 2000
15. Jan Ullrich __________ GER | 49:30 | 2000
fecking hell. It's hard not to be cynical but well played Froome. I like him, he's a pretty good bloke and imo since he absolutely thumped that it's game over.Alpe-d'Huez x2 will be another classic...
Yeah, I think he showed that he's pretty much untouchable on the climb. We (my mate and I) were sitting around with popcorn going 'time to crack froomey.. who will take advantage... ' and then were in awe that he blew everyone away.
I think he' chomp these next few alp stages. I can't see anyone making up at least 4 minutes that is required.
(Though that is going to be a brutal stage.)
I think he' chomp these next few alp stages. I can't see anyone making up at least 4 minutes that is required.
(Though that is going to be a brutal stage.)
I don't remember such a tough time trial either. 2x cat 2 climbs. Stage 19 is tough as well. Lots could go wrong yet.
Oh of course. Plenty could go wrong - but if Froome holds on and even rides super defensively to keep gas in the tank I reckon on paper and how he's been on form he'll munch the rest of the tour.
another massive ride from Froome, Porte setting him up again. It really is hard to see anyone beating him in the mountains right now. It would be nice to know whether he is clean or not, but it really is hard to think that he is particularly with how much better than everyone else he has looked for basically the whole tour.
Look at the mediocre climber Bradley Wiggins in that list......must've been one of his best rides ever.
Others won't be able to catch him, instead he'll extend his lead further over the next week. As good as Froome has been, I think this could have been one of the best tours ever, in terms of excitement, if he wasn't there.
Chris Froome: Tour de France leader 'sad' at doping questions
Tour de France leader Chris Froome of Team Sky has admitted his frustration at constant questions about doping.
Froome extended his advantage with a stunning ride on Sunday but faced more doping questions on Monday's rest day.
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“
I've also believed in people who have turned out to be cheats and liars but I can assure you I'm not
”
Chris Froome
Tour de France leader
He said: "It's sad that we're sitting here the day after the biggest victory of my life talking about doping."
And Sky boss Sir Dave Brailsford said he is prepared to give the World Anti-Doping Agency (Wada) all his team's data in an attempt to allay suspicions.
Kenya-born Briton Froome, 28, increased his lead to four minutes 14 seconds in winning Stage 15 on Mont Ventoux on Sunday but his success has not been universally acclaimed, despite Froome and Brailsford insisting that Sky are riding clean.
Froome said on Monday: "My team-mates and I have been away from home for months training together and working hard to get here, we've slept on volcanoes to get ready for this, and here I am accused of being a cheat and a liar. That's not cool."
On Sunday the sport of athletics was shaken by news that sprinters Tyson Gay and Asafa Powell had both failed drugs tests.
And in light of Lance Armstrong's admission earlier this year that he used performance-enhancing substances throughout his seven successive Tour de France victories from 1999 to 2005, there has been renewed questioning of riders during the Tour.
Speaking following his Mont Ventoux success, Froome sought to distance himself from any comparisons with Armstrong.
"Lance cheated," he said. "I'm not cheating. End of story."
Play media
Ventoux win a dream - Froome
Some of the sceptics want Sky to release the output data of their riders, but Brailsford does not want to release their 'trade secrets' to rival teams.
However, he suggested anti-doping organisation Wada could be given full access to all the team's information.
"They can have everything we've got," he said. "They can come and live with us. They can see all of our data, have access to every single training file we've got.
"They can then compare that data on a consistent basis. And they could then tell the world whether they think this is credible or not."
Froome told BBC Sport: "I can understand why people are asking [about doping], given the history of the sport - they have been let down so many times before.
"But I'm also one of those people who's been let down. I've also believed in people who have turned out to be cheats and liars. But I can assure you, I'm not."
Tour de France leader Chris Froome of Team Sky has admitted his frustration at constant questions about doping.
Froome extended his advantage with a stunning ride on Sunday but faced more doping questions on Monday's rest day.
Continue reading the main story
“
I've also believed in people who have turned out to be cheats and liars but I can assure you I'm not
”
Chris Froome
Tour de France leader
He said: "It's sad that we're sitting here the day after the biggest victory of my life talking about doping."
And Sky boss Sir Dave Brailsford said he is prepared to give the World Anti-Doping Agency (Wada) all his team's data in an attempt to allay suspicions.
Kenya-born Briton Froome, 28, increased his lead to four minutes 14 seconds in winning Stage 15 on Mont Ventoux on Sunday but his success has not been universally acclaimed, despite Froome and Brailsford insisting that Sky are riding clean.
Froome said on Monday: "My team-mates and I have been away from home for months training together and working hard to get here, we've slept on volcanoes to get ready for this, and here I am accused of being a cheat and a liar. That's not cool."
On Sunday the sport of athletics was shaken by news that sprinters Tyson Gay and Asafa Powell had both failed drugs tests.
And in light of Lance Armstrong's admission earlier this year that he used performance-enhancing substances throughout his seven successive Tour de France victories from 1999 to 2005, there has been renewed questioning of riders during the Tour.
Speaking following his Mont Ventoux success, Froome sought to distance himself from any comparisons with Armstrong.
"Lance cheated," he said. "I'm not cheating. End of story."
Play media
Ventoux win a dream - Froome
Some of the sceptics want Sky to release the output data of their riders, but Brailsford does not want to release their 'trade secrets' to rival teams.
However, he suggested anti-doping organisation Wada could be given full access to all the team's information.
"They can have everything we've got," he said. "They can come and live with us. They can see all of our data, have access to every single training file we've got.
"They can then compare that data on a consistent basis. And they could then tell the world whether they think this is credible or not."
Froome told BBC Sport: "I can understand why people are asking [about doping], given the history of the sport - they have been let down so many times before.
"But I'm also one of those people who's been let down. I've also believed in people who have turned out to be cheats and liars. But I can assure you, I'm not."
Some sports writer close to the tour was on Talksport this morning saying he doubts very much any of the top riders would risk doping now. And he's written a book on the subject. Cant remember who it was though.
Why are some of these cyclists so horrifically skinny? Do they even lift?
Why would they lift? On the tour their body fat ratio is insanely low due to the incredible amount of calories that they burn.
They are like marathon runners.
They are like marathon runners.
Peloton stopping for the train.
Cost another 45 seconds on the leaders though.
Peloton stopping for the train.
Cost another 45 seconds on the leaders though.
Saw that
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My arsehole bleeds seeing that. fecking twice FFS!Alpe-d'Huez x2 will be another classic...
Hmmmm... Maybe they are only on drugs on certain days. Specifically, days when they win?
What?
I've just popped in and noticed the lack of lots of 'Froome was too good there, must be doping' posts. Not even a mention of the action in fact.
What a ridiculous argument
Its not an argument. There is only me and you here, and I haven't disagreed with anything you have said.
I tried to watch some earlier, must be honest, bored the shit out. Not my cup of tea, the commentators were pretty awful too, can't say there was much to commentate on mind you. Must be difficult commentating on a sport such as cycling. How many days into it are we now?
As I said earlier, its not necessarily on race days when doping occurs.
I've heard numerous people say they can't stand Phil Ligget and Paul Sherwin. I find their voices to be quite iconic and not abrasive at all. Their punditry and knowledge of cycling and France in general is world class. Sherwin especially when describing scenery doesn't sound like he's reading off a sheet or anything.
Anyway Froome to good for Conti lastn ight.
I'm gonna stick my neck out and say that Froome isn't doping.
I don't know who the commentators are, but I like them. They seem very well informed, and I've come to associate their voices with the tour.
I honestly hope you are right. But we'll likely never know.
This frequently happens actually. A fresh injection of blood halfway into the tour will work miracles.
Landis and Vinokourov got caught because they went full retard on blood transfusion to thrash the opposition in one stage of the TdF.
All the dopers generally dope only on certain days of the tour (aside from small stuff they are taking constantly). But the smart ones try to tone it down and dose it to stay within regular parameters so it doesn't look like they transparently just got a lot better two weeks into the tour.
When you think about it Landis's role with Armstrong is eerily similar to Porte's role with Froome.
Are any of the non French pundits spouting any of this crap instead of trying to enjoy it?
What was that about not being allowed to get to close to the other riders on the time trial? You can pass them though right?
You can pass them, not ride directly behind them
Are they allowed to change bikes to an aerodynamic one for the downhill section then?
Apparently
Maybe they should use one with a little motor on it for going up hill?
MONT VENTOUX (last 15.65 km [from St. Esteve], 8.74 %, 1368 m)
D 1. Lance Armstrong ______ USA | 48:33 | 2002
2. Chris Froome _________ GBR | 48:35 | 2013
3. Andy Schleck _________ LUX | 48.57 | 2009
D 4. Alberto Contador _____ ESP | 48:57 | 2009
D 5. Lance Armstrong ______ USA | 49:00 | 2009
D 6. Marco Pantani ________ ITA | 49:01 | 2000
D 7. Lance Armstrong ______ USA | 49:01 | 2000
D 8. Frank Schleck ________ LUX | 49:02 | 2009
9. Nairo Quintana _______ COL | 49:04 | 2013
10. Roman Kreuziger ______ CZE | 49:05 | 2009
Those with a D have been caught doping. Andy Schleck's brother was caught. Kreuziger worked with the infamous dope doctor Michele Ferrari. Froome beat the times of doped up riders Contador, Pantani and Armstrong.The only time better than that one Froome posted was by a doped up Lance Arnstrong. Quite an incredible ride.
D 1. Lance Armstrong ______ USA | 48:33 | 2002
2. Chris Froome _________ GBR | 48:35 | 2013
3. Andy Schleck _________ LUX | 48.57 | 2009
D 4. Alberto Contador _____ ESP | 48:57 | 2009
D 5. Lance Armstrong ______ USA | 49:00 | 2009
D 6. Marco Pantani ________ ITA | 49:01 | 2000
D 7. Lance Armstrong ______ USA | 49:01 | 2000
D 8. Frank Schleck ________ LUX | 49:02 | 2009
9. Nairo Quintana _______ COL | 49:04 | 2013
10. Roman Kreuziger ______ CZE | 49:05 | 2009
Those with a D have been caught doping. Andy Schleck's brother was caught. Kreuziger worked with the infamous dope doctor Michele Ferrari. Froome beat the times of doped up riders Contador, Pantani and Armstrong.The only time better than that one Froome posted was by a doped up Lance Arnstrong. Quite an incredible ride.