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Top class established Strikers in the market
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I do rate Kane however is he worth 35-40m? Cause that's the fee Levy will expect for him.
The likes of Dybala may prove a bigger gamble. However he would probably cost half that fee and in my opinion has much more talent then Kane. Ultimately both have just 1 decent season under their belt at top flight football with Dybala costing less then Kane.
I'd hold fire on Kane. If he's as good as he's cracked up to be then he'll prove that over the next season, and given the hype right now I don't think he'd be much more expensive in a year's time
Kane is not proven yet let's see how he get's on next year to fully assess him.
It might be worth taking a punt on Benteke, he's gettable and wouldn't cost too much.
It might be worth taking a punt on Benteke, he's gettable and wouldn't cost too much.
What's the deal with Lewandowski these days? Is he gettable?
I have not really followed Bayern's season but I was looking at his goal stats and he has not scored that many. Plus, Pep has a past of not using an out and out striker.
How is it going for him this season? Is he a crucial and an indispensable part of Bayer's team?
Let me clarify, I am not implying that Lewadowski is having a slow season, based on his goals tally and Pep's past I am just wondering if he is having a slow/less influential season.
I have not really followed Bayern's season but I was looking at his goal stats and he has not scored that many. Plus, Pep has a past of not using an out and out striker.
How is it going for him this season? Is he a crucial and an indispensable part of Bayer's team?
Let me clarify, I am not implying that Lewadowski is having a slow season, based on his goals tally and Pep's past I am just wondering if he is having a slow/less influential season.
I don't think he's going to leave this year but in 2-3 years he will definitely be on the move, I don't believe for a minute that his agent won't try to whore him to Barcelona/Real Madrid/United saying that he needs to play in a better league or something.
He is starting almost every game and playing well. Bayern is a tough place for a central forward, because you have to share goals with 4-5 other players. So the value of a central forward isnt measured in the amounts of goals, that he scores. Pep likes him and Bayern wont sell him this summer.
If we are going to play the long ball/pass tactics then maybe Cavani would be a good signing? Would hold the ball well, win loads of balls in the box and suit our style of play?
I was unsure about Cavani but last night he showed some brilliant touches and was unlucky not to get a goal. If there's even a glimmer that he maybe available, I think we should go in for him. I think he would score bundles in the Premier League, well bundles more than Falcao anyway!
Edit - unlucky to not get more than 1 goal, I did watch the match honest!
Edit - unlucky to not get more than 1 goal, I did watch the match honest!
Rumors of Lewandowski being unhappy benched last night, most likely untrue but what a beast he is.
Hasn't he turned us down before?
If he did could you blame him for turning us down for Bayern?
Cavani will be 28 this year and he hasn't been particularly consistent or impressive for PSG. You can be sure they'd ask for £40m which makes it pointless for us to go for him, we should try to get someone younger that we could mould into a different type of striker rather than pay obscene amount of money for a big name that is equally likely to flop. We almost signed Falcao for £40m last Summer, imagine having him on a permanent deal right now (I still fear we will buy him in June though).
Trouble is there aren't many top class young forwards going around. I honestly can't see another Aguero or Benzema out there, back when they were very young it was already sort of certain they'd have gone on to achieve big things. Right now you have players like Dybala and Icardi who haven't really proven themselves yet, some good British talent like Berahino and Ings who have only been good for half a season (much like Carroll before Liverpool transfer), then there's someone like Lacazette who's been scoring for fun in France but it has also lasted just a few months so far. Our scouts will have to do hell of a job for us to come up with a top quality forward in the Summer and I definitely think we should be after one, it's probably one of the most important purchases we have to make because it's absolutely necessary before we can think of changing the way we play. Vietto is someone we should really look at, he's been hailed as the new Aguero and has done great for Villarreal so far this season.
Then again I fully expect van Persie to be the focal point of our forward line next season again...
Trouble is there aren't many top class young forwards going around. I honestly can't see another Aguero or Benzema out there, back when they were very young it was already sort of certain they'd have gone on to achieve big things. Right now you have players like Dybala and Icardi who haven't really proven themselves yet, some good British talent like Berahino and Ings who have only been good for half a season (much like Carroll before Liverpool transfer), then there's someone like Lacazette who's been scoring for fun in France but it has also lasted just a few months so far. Our scouts will have to do hell of a job for us to come up with a top quality forward in the Summer and I definitely think we should be after one, it's probably one of the most important purchases we have to make because it's absolutely necessary before we can think of changing the way we play. Vietto is someone we should really look at, he's been hailed as the new Aguero and has done great for Villarreal so far this season.
Then again I fully expect van Persie to be the focal point of our forward line next season again...
I think Cavani is available if we are looking for a striker (spats with Ibra, FFP) but I'd like to see us go for a younger player and start thinking of a team that could win the Premier League in the year after next....I think next year is maybe too soon
with Rooney/Mata at 10 and RVP/Wilson at 9 do we need another one? I'd be concerned about limiting Wilson's games
with Rooney/Mata at 10 and RVP/Wilson at 9 do we need another one? I'd be concerned about limiting Wilson's games
Something needs to change at our club. I mean how is it that Soton and Spurs keep finding these players not previously known that much on the big stage but are on the verge and just need a platform. Especially Spurs (Bale, Modric, Kane, Errikssen, Berbatov (he was decent while he was there and had a few good seasons with us too).
Anyway ever since our Class of 92' our youths have been pretty shite in all honesty. Maybe decent to some, but nowere near Scholes, Giggs, Becks and Neville. We thought we had a good youth academy and I guess you could say it's decent. But what have we got to show for it lately?
Ok I understand that the above are two separate subjects (finding talent vs nurturing talent) but that's where my chain of thought led me. I think lately we've been dire in both departments.
Anyway ever since our Class of 92' our youths have been pretty shite in all honesty. Maybe decent to some, but nowere near Scholes, Giggs, Becks and Neville. We thought we had a good youth academy and I guess you could say it's decent. But what have we got to show for it lately?
Ok I understand that the above are two separate subjects (finding talent vs nurturing talent) but that's where my chain of thought led me. I think lately we've been dire in both departments.
Yes.
We should just rid our squad of Falcao and RvP as they're both too one-paced these days and play Rooney up top. Seriously though, that would be a solution. And sign another younger, more dynamic forward in the mould of Dybala, Lacazette etc (not seen any of Vietto so can't really write him down @Sarni - I'll go watch some clips now though ).
Then we can add a RB, CB, box-to-box mid and winger (like Depay, as we probably can't afford a Bale type).
).Then we can add a RB, CB, box-to-box mid and winger (like Depay, as we probably can't afford a Bale type).
Rumour is he's on less than 100k a week. Kudos for choosing football over cash if true. That said we should be able to offer him guaranteed football and cash next year
Aleksander Mitrovic has been rumoured with a move to Swansea. We should monitor that.
Looking at how Lewy does at Bayern (and how Pep seems to hate strikers) I'd consider going for Lewy if the sum's not out of this world.
@Getsme I don't think he turned us down by the way, I think it was BVB who simply refused to sell both Kagawa and Lewy to us.
@Getsme I don't think he turned us down by the way, I think it was BVB who simply refused to sell both Kagawa and Lewy to us.
Ah ok, I just remember him being heavily linked to us around the time he went to Bayern. If I remember correctly his National coach even said he was coming to us.
He's been good, but hasn't lived up to his hype for Anderlecht.
Yea Smuda is an idiot though so it's not worth listening to him
Although there's this Polish journo/commentator who's always brown-nosing Lewy, his agent, he's an expert on Bundesliga and has some kind of connections to BVB in general and he's said (when SAF was at BVB matches against Bayern, I think it was DFB Pokal) that there's an offer lying on BVB table from us for both Kagawa and Lewy.If we sold rooney like SAF wanted, Lewa probably would have been our striker now.
Jackson Martinez would be a good shout.
Yea Smuda is an idiot though so it's not worth listening to him
Yeah, I think we had a bid for him but Dortmund wouldn't accept as they just lost Kagawa to us so we went for van Persie. I don't think we were in for him last year, Moyes was probably happy with van Persie and Rooney as his two striker choices.
Aye, the offer for Lewy was there before we got RVP.
Cavani was an absolute beast last night against Chelsea, his overall play, speed and power is something I have not seen much of. He was all over the pitch constantly causing problems.
Around the time when Smuda talked about us wanting him. I think it was true at the time and in a hindsight we probably should have gone for him instead of van Persie even though I'm not sure he'd have won us the league in the same fashion van Persie did, long term there'd be more benefit from having him here. Then again van Persie will probably be gone after 3-4 years here with great contribution in his first season and decent contribution in the following two or three (although I'm not particularly fond of him this season, he's not been good enough clearly) and Lewandowski would leave after a similar amount of time because with Kucharski as his agent I cannot see him staying at one club for more than 4 years now - possibly even less because he's approaching crucial moments of his career and they'll want to milk it as much as possible money wise, he probably has two (or even three) big moves in him still before he goes outside Europe to collect his final pay check.
I definitely can see him on the move within 2 years and we should probably pay attention because there aren't many strikers better than him out there.
Yup, completly agree with everything what you've said.
I agree on Cavani, he had a good game last night but I've watched quite a lot of PSG this season and he misses way too many chances, and like you say we should be looking for someone younger.
Vietto is a great shout, fast, strong, versatile and works hard, he is similar to Dybala, not as silky but I'd say stronger and has a good return for Villareal this season.
Ugh, don't say that about RvP, I couldn't take it.
He's 29 in October though. If we're paying big money we should be looking at someone a few years younger.
At the moment we have Wilson who's 19, Falcao and Rooney who are 29 and Van Persie who's 31.
We need someone between 23-25 really, and Lacazette is the only one in my very limited mind who fits the profile we need.
Think you'd be better off sticking with what you have. Seen very little of him, but he isn't that fast from what I have seen.
Strikers only last 18 months in the Premier League these days.
Michu
Demba Ba
Podolski
Rodriguez
Lukaku
Benteke
Lambert
Hernandez
Odemwingie
I think the game has moved on and when you lose that sharpness you are done, unless you reinvent yourself as a defensive midfielder. Sheringham wouldnt have lasted as long he did these days. Owen couldn't reproduce it. Berbatov, RVP, Mata, Torres. You need to stay fit and sharp and quick
Michu
Demba Ba
Podolski
Rodriguez
Lukaku
Benteke
Lambert
Hernandez
Odemwingie
I think the game has moved on and when you lose that sharpness you are done, unless you reinvent yourself as a defensive midfielder. Sheringham wouldnt have lasted as long he did these days. Owen couldn't reproduce it. Berbatov, RVP, Mata, Torres. You need to stay fit and sharp and quick
Is Icardi any good? I watched Inter a few times this season and he's seemed shit, though I am betting half of the reason is because Inter were dire and couldn't create any chances under Mazzari.
Its hard to judge any young talent in Serie A because it's such a rubbish league lately.
He's exactly what we need, someone with pace/ability to beat defenders 1v1 and stretch sides. Also excellent on the ball just an all round great . Started on the bench or being played on the left wing regularly Guardiola just doesn't seem to like playing with traditional strikers, did the same thing with Manduzkic last season and rumours are Lewandowski was signed by the Bayern board and not Pep.
He's a downgrade on what we already have. Turning 29 and a reason no top club has ever made an effort for him.
Fair point. Almost have to take it with a pinch of salt. Will be good to see how Cuadrado does for Chelsea.
Our problem isn't getting a striker but unlocking defences and providing the current ones with enough service and opportunities.
There's no reason why Rooney/RvP or Falcao can't score 20+ so long as we actually improve overall as a team. We could have Gerd Muller upfront and he wouldn't look anything special.
There's no reason why Rooney/RvP or Falcao can't score 20+ so long as we actually improve overall as a team. We could have Gerd Muller upfront and he wouldn't look anything special.
Modern strikers make chances and must work hard, I can't believe anyone thinks RvP or Falcao have anything left in the tank at the level we are spring to. Both are as much to blame for our attacks breaking down as anyone, when the ball comes to Falcao he either fails to control it or passes it directly where it just came from, that's if he doesn't fall over, and RvP takes so many touches that our attack has stopped dead before he releases it. Look at Benzema, Costa and Cavani over the last 2 nights, that is what modern strikers do now, they work the channels, they link the attack and they create things for themselves, RvP and Falcao are the biggest weakness in our attack, not the likes of Di Maria or Mata.
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