They have an affect, but obviously more recent trophies matter more. This is why RM and Barcelona are the top 2. It's why City are making a name for themselves.
Top 5 biggest Football clubs in the world.
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They are arranged by size of fanbase. (unfair to Bayern)
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They are arranged by size of fanbase. (unfair to Bayern)
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.Madrid, Bayern, Barca, Liverpool, United.
If Liverpool wins the Premier League this year, what claim does Man United have over Liverpool? And what if Liverpool wins the treble/ quadruple?
Recent success? How recent should it be? If the timeframe is 10 years then definitely Liverpool is more successful. If its 30 years then its Man United, but why should it be 30 instead of 10 years.
Recent success? How recent should it be? If the timeframe is 10 years then definitely Liverpool is more successful. If its 30 years then its Man United, but why should it be 30 instead of 10 years.
It’s all about number 20. That’s it. It’s the elephant in the room.
Real Madrid.
Bayern.
AC Milan.
Liverpool.
Barcelona.
Sorry United fans, but without bias, you just haven't done it in Europe and that's where the big boys really shine for me. Forest are only European cup behind you and they didn't dominate English football for 20 years.
Bayern.
AC Milan.
Liverpool.
Barcelona.
Sorry United fans, but without bias, you just haven't done it in Europe and that's where the big boys really shine for me. Forest are only European cup behind you and they didn't dominate English football for 20 years.
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I always put Arsenal above Chelsea-yes Chelsea have the European titles but historically they were a smaller club. I’m pretty sure before Sir Alex arrived they had the second most titles in the league.
Can’t help but feel us and Juventus really haven’t done as much in Europe as we should. I think Juventus must have the record for most defeats in finals?
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Chatgpt still needs some work, evidently. Any list that has City and/or Chelsea over Bayern is immediately discredited and invalid.
You may laugh, that's your prerogative, but as someone that travels around Europe a lot, you'd be surprised how many would agree with it, especially the younger generation that'd put City and Chelsea as bigger clubs. United are big still due to the finances and legacy of Fergie and so many legendary players from that era and the fans that are 35+ following them from that.
To kids growing up now (with no local or familial attachment) United are a mid table team with no star players they'd want on their back and a dilapidated stadium. My lad is 11, if he'd grown up when I was 11 I've no doubt he'd be a massive United fan like so many of my mates were/are. He looks at MU as a joke, he doesn't know what a massive club they were as they haven't won anything of note since before he was born. It's like Leeds to me when I grew up, they'd been big in the 1960's and '70s but they were nothing during my childhood, got half decent during my teens for a spell, then spent 20 years in the wilderness.
There is also no football club with 500.000.000 fans. These numbers are completely ridiculous and absurdly inflated. There might not even be that many football fans in the world to begin with. According to this list and assuming people are only fan of a single club, there would be more than 3 billion football fans in the world, which is a ridiculous assumption.
It depends on what metric, economic , trophies, history?
Imo it's Real Madrid and then a lot of clubs on a similar standing (Barcelona, Bayern, Liverpool, Milan, United, you could also throw in Ajax and Inter if considering history).
Imo it's Real Madrid and then a lot of clubs on a similar standing (Barcelona, Bayern, Liverpool, Milan, United, you could also throw in Ajax and Inter if considering history).
Player history for one (which is an important metric for me).
Of all the usual clubs mentioned in these discussions, Liverpool’s player history is easily the least impressive. With Real Madrid’s and Barcelona’s easily the most impressive.
None, i'd say.
Liverpool would reclaim the mantle of most successful outright.
I don't see it as a bad thing. They could have been way out of sight again but for the cheats.
At some point we will make a challenge on the title again and we will use it as an incentive to get the crown back.
Competition is healthy, and they are our rivals by their own volition.
If they reclaim it, then it's by honest(bin dipping) means.
Also, feck the cheats.
United are bigger than Liverpool and that’s coming from a Liverpool supporter. Players like Georgie Best seen to that even if Liverpool have won the most important honors. But this younger generation won’t see it that way if united don’t improve over the next 5 years.
Liverpool will still need a lot more than Salah and Van Dijk to overcome that metric though.
Not for the generation that has never seen a great United team in their lifetime.
More fans through the turnstiles - an extra 14 million in the history of the English league - reflecting United's extra reach.
Generations grow up. I never saw George Best or Bobby Charlton but I know they’re above Kenny Dalgish and Steven Gerrard in the history of the game.
We’ll just have to be happy to the best ever. No problem there.
I’m not particularly invested in arguing Liverpool are bigger than United, but gate receipts at the turnstiles isn’t a convincing metric. That’s just a stadium thing. Spurs have a bigger stadium than most.
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They are arranged by size of fanbase. (unfair to Bayern)
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Something wrong there, City have 200 fans (maybe, Worldwide) not 200M.
Arsenal have way more fans than that, too.
There's no way to convincingly measure the actual global fanbase of any club.
Social media numbers mostly indicates the younger fans. Also, a lot of the clubs' social media followings are due to certain individuals. Inter Miami probably have good numbers due to Messi but they're a tinpot club.
Social media numbers mostly indicates the younger fans. Also, a lot of the clubs' social media followings are due to certain individuals. Inter Miami probably have good numbers due to Messi but they're a tinpot club.
It's a blunt metric granted. But big clubs tend to have big stadia, because they have a big supporter base. The stadium is part of the fabric of being a big club.
How can you call a club with a history of cheating a big club? I'd take Juve out and Liverpool put in at least.
They do., 7 times they ended as runners-up
Absolutely. chatgpt is way wrong here.
Personally my list would be:
1- Real Madrid
2- Barcelona
3 & 4 Man. United and Liverpool
5- Bayern
6 & 7 Juve and Milan
8 & 9 Inter and Ajax
City and Feyenoord belong in the same tier. We both won 1 CL.
Real Madrid
Barcelona
Manchester United
Bayern
Juventus
6. Liverpool
7. Milan
Barcelona
Manchester United
Bayern
Juventus
6. Liverpool
7. Milan
Close to what I would go with as well. The selection for the Top 5 seems about fair at first glance. Probably Manchester United just a bit ahead of Liverpool from an overall standpoint, still. Maybe Chelsea at the edge of the Top 10.
There used to be a time, in the 2000s, where AC Milan and Manchester United were the closest competitors to Real Madrid. Followed by Liverpool, Juventus, Internazionale, Barcelona and Bayern Munich — in that exact order.
Both of those clubs had far-reaching appeal with iconic players (at the time with the likes of Beckham, Maldini, Kaká, Cristiano, Rooney, Shevchenko and historically with Best, Baresi, Charlton, Rivera, Cantona, Gullit, Law, Van Basten), were regularly among the Top 3-4 revenue generators in club football as a whole, considered serial winners due to Ferguson and Berlusconi's influence for more than a decade (which shaped how they were perceived), and the former in particular looked set to overtake Real Madrid for European Cups (the difference was narrowed down to just 2 following their win in Athens).
Barcelona disrupted that balance with the popularity of Ronaldinho and then Messi (with an increasingly globalized audience being drawn to their spectacular presence and consequently the club), revenues skyrocketing from the early 2000s to the mid 2000s (from the edge of the Top 10 to the Top 3 on a near-permanent basis), the consistency of the club's success, the awe-inspiring and transformative nature of Guardiola's teams (arguably the single greatest reference point for modern football), the romantic appeal of Cruyff and La Masia (which received a significant boost in the public consciousness due to Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol, Piqué, Busquets) and so forth. For a period time of time, the club seemed nigh unstoppable and it felt like they were going to join Real Madrid atop the pyramid.
But Real Madrid kept pulling away to consolidate themselves as the hagemon, while both AC Milan (compounded by the weakened stature of Serie A football) and Manchester United (thanks to the Glazers, all things considered) fell to the wayside. 15 European Cups as of this writing; absolute daylight between them and the chasing pack (now led by Barcelona, instead of AC Milan or Manchester United). Unarguably the biggest club in world football — success (contemporary and historical), glitz and glamor, the appeal of their hugely accomplished and storied icons, worldwide following, the Santiago Bernabéu (which stands proud, at a time when Old Trafford and San Siro look worse for wear).
Bayern Munich have also done very well for themselves. 17 Bundesliga titles and 3 European Cups in this century, consistently in the latter portions of the Champions League since Van Gaal and Heynckes' days (close to 2 decades now), much more popular than they were in the past (in no small part due to the presence of Kahn, Ballack, Lahm, Lewandowski, Schweinsteiger, Robben, Neuer), and arguably the biggest beneficiaries of the Italian Big 3's relative collapse.
There is no way Liverpool are 6th.
You have to wonder, based on things like fanbase and prestige, how far we've actually fallen in these terms.
How big you are is very subjective in many ways, we're not the richest, not bringing in trophies anymore, prestige has definitely hugely diminished.
Fanbase is interesting. Our older fans are still around, but how many kids growing up now will want to be watching and supporting this lot? I live in Bradford and until a few years ago, never saw a City shirt but loads of United shirts on kids, but these days it's far more City shirts.
Feels like a matter of time.
How big you are is very subjective in many ways, we're not the richest, not bringing in trophies anymore, prestige has definitely hugely diminished.
Fanbase is interesting. Our older fans are still around, but how many kids growing up now will want to be watching and supporting this lot? I live in Bradford and until a few years ago, never saw a City shirt but loads of United shirts on kids, but these days it's far more City shirts.
Feels like a matter of time.
If you remove cheats and state backed clubs then the biggest clubs are United and Liverpool.
I live in Warrington and you see plenty.
Things change, no club is too big to fail.
My thought is they are basically 5b, that's why I listed them. No doubt one of the biggest clubs in the world, with a huge history and one of the best in the world now. But before Klopp they were not great for a long time. No one disputes Real Madrid and Barcelona as being among the top 5. Almost every player in the world wants to play for those clubs and they are huge in Europe, Latin America and many other parts of the world. Bayern have to be in the top five based on their history, status in the Bundesliga and the pull they have for players in Western and Eastern Europe. Juventus are top dogs in Italy and deserve a spot. And I still see United as the top English club even though I'm not a supporter. You can argue Liverpool over Juventus, but I don't think they are bigger than the other four.
Many would argue Liverpool are above us.
Brain:
1. Real Madrid
2. Barcelona
3. Manchester United
4. Bayern
5. Juventus
6. Liverpool
7. Milan
Feelings:
1. Real Madrid
2. Barcelona
3. Manchester United
4. Liverpool
5. Milan
6. Bayern
7. Juventus
1. Real Madrid
2. Barcelona
3. Manchester United
4. Bayern
5. Juventus
6. Liverpool
7. Milan
Feelings:
1. Real Madrid
2. Barcelona
3. Manchester United
4. Liverpool
5. Milan
6. Bayern
7. Juventus
Interesting thread. Based on no metrics but my feelings, my order would be this:
1) Real Madrid
2) Barcelona
3) Manchester United
4) AC Milan
5) Liverpool
Milan seems like the outlier relative to most other people's lists here, but they are still an absolutely iconic club and have a lot of supporters
1) Real Madrid
2) Barcelona
3) Manchester United
4) AC Milan
5) Liverpool
Milan seems like the outlier relative to most other people's lists here, but they are still an absolutely iconic club and have a lot of supporters
If we had this discussion 20 years ago pre-Calciopoli, I'd put both Milan and Juve in the top 5.
Now, as much as I enjoy Serie A these days, I'm not sure if any Serie A clubs make the top 5 currently. For what it's worth, I believe that Milan aren't in the top 10 in terms of social media followers (neither are Inter), and Juve's proud record of 0 Champions League titles in the 21st century is also enough to exclude them from the top 5 IMO.
I'd say that the top 5 are Real Madrid, Barcelona, Man Utd, Bayern and Liverpool, in whatever order after Real Madrid in 1st place.
Now, as much as I enjoy Serie A these days, I'm not sure if any Serie A clubs make the top 5 currently. For what it's worth, I believe that Milan aren't in the top 10 in terms of social media followers (neither are Inter), and Juve's proud record of 0 Champions League titles in the 21st century is also enough to exclude them from the top 5 IMO.
I'd say that the top 5 are Real Madrid, Barcelona, Man Utd, Bayern and Liverpool, in whatever order after Real Madrid in 1st place.