Top 4 van Gaal stays or no top 4 van Gaal leaves?

Not top 4 and he goes. Think long term. Another year of him makes me feel ill.
 
Top 4 and him stay. Still believe we will improve under him next season, and not a huge fan of continually starting again of it can be avoided either. He knows the club now, the strengths and weaknesses of all players from the top all the way down to the academy probably.

I wouldn't be sad of Jose came in or anything, but I have no burning desire to see the back of Van Gaal like many do.
 
What's the option for where he just buggers off? I'll go for that one. There's no 'if' or 'but' when it comes to him. He's failed and it's time to move on.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
What if.....
We finish 4th - LvG leaves at the end of the season, Mourinho becomes manager and we finish 10th next season ....
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If LvG stays there's a good chance of that happening - finishing 10th. With Mourinho I pretty much doubt that would happen.

To the question - LvG is semi retired, having him for another year(baring in mind the current one) makes no sense at all. He failed this year regardless of we get to top 4 or not. He should go. It's better to have a realistic chance of winning domestic competition with a top manager in his place rather than play 6 or 8 dead rubbers in CL.
 
Enigma_87 said:
If LvG stays there's a good chance of that happening - finishing 10th. With Mourinho I pretty much doubt that would happen.

To the question - LvG is semi retired, having him for another year(baring in mind the current one) makes no sense at all. He failed this year regardless of we get to top 4 or not. He should go. It's better to have a realistic chance of winning domestic competition with a top manager in his place rather than play 6 or 8 dead rubbers in CL.
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Mourinho left his last club in 17th.
 
I'm just pointing out that, us seriously underperforming under Mourinho is a possibility.
 
I'm still saying: finish top 4: Van Gaal stays. Finish outside top 4: Van Gaal stays.....sadly.
 
I think we have to accept that LvG is here for his full contract and that Giggs is going to take over after him. Thats the plan the club said they were going to follow and I dont see why they would change, they dont care about fan opinions.

If LvG gets top 4 he's here til end of next season.
 
I want LVG gone as soon as possible. what's the point in being in next season's champions league if we don't have a good chance of winning anything under LVG, much less the champions league itself.
 
Man of Leisure said:
Unfortunately, really think this will be the case.
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Yep, and in a way I can kind of understand why they would give him another year if we get top 4. The club are trying to create stability, sacking LvG would be counter productive. But, if he gets top 4 and a cup its an improvement on last year. You never know though really..
 
What happens if we got Top 4 and he stays, but get knockout in the qualifying round and fail to make it to the group stage of CL.
 
Green_Red said:
Yep, and in a way I can kind of understand why they would give him another year if we get top 4. The club are trying to create stability, sacking LvG would be counter productive. But, if he gets top 4 and a cup its an improvement on last year. You never know though really..
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that argument would have a sliver of credibility if LVG wasn't leaving after the third year maximum anyways.
 
Our continuation in the champions league should be far superior to our desires for any manager.
 
Winrar said:
that argument would have a sliver of credibility if LVG wasn't leaving after the third year maximum anyways.
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True, but at the same time, their plan as theyve stated is to have LvG for three years with Giggs as his apprentice and then Giggs taking over. There isnt much evidence for us to think they arent still going with that plan. Thats their version of stability. Not mine.
 
Top 4. If we keep LVG based on such small achievements, we have much much bigger problems in the long-term and can forget about winning things anytime soon, anyway.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Top 4. If we keep LVG based on such small achievements, we have much much bigger problems in the long-term and can forget about winning things anytime soon, anyway.
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Oh I feel without doubt that he definitely stays if we get top four. It's pathetic but unfortunately I feel that's the case.
 
Robbie Boy said:
Oh I feel without doubt that he definitely stays if we get top four. It's pathetic but unfortunately I feel that's the case.
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I personally don't think so. It was the goal for last season but not this one.
 
Stobzilla said:
Top 4 and LvG is the long term thinkers option.
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Us being in the CL next season is irrelevant other than perhaps a short sighted view on transfers, we have zero chance of winning it. The longer LvG remains here ingraining his tumescent football into the team, the more we will keep going backwards.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
I personally don't think so. It was the goal for last season but not this one.
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He just appears (from the outside anyway) to have some serious support from the board. I hope I'm wrong, of course but I don't get the impression that he won't be here next season. Not to mention the fact that we are still in with a shout in the FA Cup.
 
Devil may care said:
Us being in the CL next season is irrelevant other than perhaps a short sighted view on transfers, we have zero chance of winning it. The longer LvG remains here ingraining his tumescent football into the team, the more we will keep going backwards.
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You might be half right but CL Football is important to the club in the long term not least because of who else it deny's CL football to and the question asked was Top 4 + LVG or Nay. Your point about us not having a chance to win it is just beyond me, suppose everyone other than Bayern and Barca shouldn't bother to turn up next season.
 
Stobzilla said:
Top 4 and LvG is the long term thinkers option.
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Is it, though?

I'm not downright disputing it, as plenty on here simply want him out regardless of any reason or rhyme, but in fairness whether 4th n' Vangle really is the best long-term solution strikes me as debatable at best.

It could easily translate to "the Giggs scheme", for one thing. It could also mean our club operates with a potentially insane principle: Get 4th, regardless of all other considerations, and you're safe. Because...well, because that's the model we work with round here. *

* The potential insanity remains roughly the same if it's "get 3rd", needless to say - as that could be just as contingent, not to say random, as 4th.
 
Stobzilla said:
You might be half right but CL Football is important to the club in the long term not least because of who else it deny's CL football to and the question asked was Top 4 + LVG or Nay. Your point about us not having a chance to win it is just beyond me, suppose everyone other than Bayern and Barca shouldn't bother to turn up next season.
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We can get back in it the year after when we have a proper manager in place, one year out wont matter, and stopping City getting in doesn't matter, they have Guardiola and will have no trouble attracting the players they need, conversely having LvG is like a deterrent due to how he has us playing. There's a difference between going in as PSG, Juve or Atletico where you aren't a favourite but have a fighting chance, and going in as Zenit or Anderlecht, we are in the latter when it comes to having any potential impact on the competition, especially as long as LvG is in charge.
 
If we score more goals next season which is not a crazy assumption considering:

1) Memphis did not have an immediate impact
2) Rooney went missing for the first six months
3) Martial, Rashford, Memphis, Lingard will be a year older and a year wiser
4) We will sign at least one offensive player

Then we could win the league. We lost competing for it against the smaller teams that park the bus, this was a major problem with all the 0-0 draws, and if we do better there we could have a breakout season.

What I think we need as much as a right winger is a proper "10". Real Madrid has too many of them, we should sign the one they want to offload.
 
Ironic as we're talking football that the goalposts have moved! Go back to most of the managers pressers from earlier this season and in amongst the excuses and stony-faced stares he's regularly quoting "Top 3" as the target set for him by the board or he's out.

Even as far back as late 2014 Woodward was talking about 3rd as the bare minimum target budgeted for (every season): http://www.thenational.ae/sport/eng...-gaal-our-budgets-assume-a-third-place-finish
 
Enigma_87 said:
If LvG stays there's a good chance of that happening - finishing 10th. With Mourinho I pretty much doubt that would happen.

To the question - LvG is semi retired, having him for another year(baring in mind the current one) makes no sense at all. He failed this year regardless of we get to top 4 or not. He should go. It's better to have a realistic chance of winning domestic competition with a top manager in his place rather than play 6 or 8 dead rubbers in CL.
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I agree with you and hope LVG is gone in the summer, but there's no guarantee Mourinho will ensure winning trophies, although we ll hope so.
 
ShakeUnBake said:
If we score more goals next season which is not a crazy assumption considering:

1) Memphis did not have an immediate impact
2) Rooney went missing for the first six months
3) Martial, Rashford, Memphis, Lingard will be a year older and a year wiser
4) We will sign at least one offensive player

Then we could win the league. We lost competing for it against the smaller teams that park the bus, this was a major problem with all the 0-0 draws, and if we do better there we could have a breakout season.

What I think we need as much as a right winger is a proper "10". Real Madrid has too many of them, we should sign the one they want to offload.
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More importantly, we'll need overhaul our attack. If we continue expecting Rooney and the kids to deliver us big things, we'll be disappointed. That's possibly just as important as a manager doing a great job. The personnel in attack is poor and will remain so next season unless we change it.
 
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