Even before the Southampton game Ole talked about how United should always be the one running most on the pitch and that's what he wants in the game. SighDon't you forget there was the whole speech about how fitness was going to be the focus. Our preseason was done to perfection and the players are ready for 60 games etc.
Thats kind of gone down the drain.
Its hard to put all the blame on Ole. I get it. We had the lockdown. Our key players spent LARGE swathes of the season injured. We probably never played our best eleven together until after the lockdown ended.
But Ole needs to rotate the squad. Especially at HOME to soton. We could have taken out Greenwood/Matic and put in McTominay and Fred to freshen up the team and add runners into the squad. Players that will do the dirty work for Pog and Bruno, whilst having the simple job of trying to find them with every pass they make.
Hindsight is 20/20 though. The selection and gameplan at palace may just define our entire season. Drop ANY points at palace and its likely we won't make top four.
Unless of course you want to play the Europa League lottery. Where anything can happen now that its single knockout. Not even two legs.
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Which means Chelsea will drop points as they play each other and the other match is with Liverpool.
SFU will be motivated for sure as they can still qualify for Europe next season.
Totally forgot Chelsea played and won last night. But with that said i can totally see Liverpool and Wolves beating them, hopefully anyway.
I'll probably wack a ton on that.
Glenn Johnson reckons we can't win 2 of our remaining 3 games.
That's right. You have the advantage of us and Leicester facing each other.
Chelsea and Leicester are both crap. As long as our form doesn’t implode we will be fine. I’m confident we’ve actually got a great XI now who can put Palace and West Ham to the sword.
It really can't be understated how much it will feck is if we don't make CL through the league or Europa.
Fractional odds are so inconvenient.
Seems straightforward to me.
3/1. Place a €1 bet, win €3. Or in my case, lose €1.
I don't understand America's -200, +500 thing.
The American thing is mental but the fractional isn't much better. Just looked at the odds for random games and I saw stuff like home win 23/12, away win 7/4. Which pays better? I have no idea, I have to actually calculate it.
In decimal, that would be 2.9 and 2.75. It's immediately obvious which one pays better.
Also, 2/9 to finish in the top 4? So how much do I win if I bet a 100? I tell you: 22 - but I only know that because I plugged it into a converter and it told me it's 1.22 in decimal.
Wolves' top 4 race will end today IMO
Yeah, I agree. Leicester's heads have gone and Chelsea are incredibly poor. Chelsea laboured to a win against Norwich and the had real trouble beating Palace even after going two goals ahead. Personally, I see Chelsea losing to the Dipper's as they will need to score at least three to get a draw with the way that they defend. As for the Wolves games, I reckon they will buckle to the pressure if it is a must win (very likely imo) as they have buckled already on a number of occasions this season.
As for Wolves I think tonight will determine what happens with them. If they win, I reckon they will finish the season with 3 wins which would probably put them above Chelsea, even if Chelsea get a draw against the Dippers, as they should have the better goal difference. After that, I reckon it will be Utd as I think the games against Palace and WHU are walks in the park as Palace are the team that are the most on beach and West Ham will be safe by then and will probably shag themselves out playing Watford.
For me, it will end up:
3rd - Utd
4th - Wolves
5th - Chelsea
6th - Leicester
If we have no CL football next year, and we don't qualify the year after we're in big, big fecking trouble.
Bet 9, win 2.
Precisely
If they at least used a common denominator, fractional odds would be much easier to understand. Think I would even prefer American odds but there is just no reason not to use decimals.
it’s one game, hold off a little fella.
No CL this year will ruin our ability to plan for the future.
It rightly sets Pogba's future into question. Could scupper the Sancho deal and we will lose so much money that it will have a knock on effect in what we can do in the next 12+ months in general.
Not making CL this season really isn't an option
Great if 1 is a constant (which would make it the same as decimal odds basically) but it’s not. Makes it impossible to compare odds without doing math in your head. Inconvenient.
Given that 5th place may yield a CL spot (shall Man Utd win the Europa league and make top4), many teams - SHU included - are very motivated. Both Wolves and SHU have chances for 5th. And that’s an additional chance for Chelsea and Leicester as well, ironically
No. Doesn't work like that, only way there's 5 teams from the PL in the CL next season is if one of us or Wolves win the Europa but finish outside the top 4.
Agreed. It would be a total disaster for us. The situation we are in is simply not comparable to previous years where we missed out - falling short this time will have lasting ramifications of the club. It simply cannot be allowed to happen, even if that means playing the reserves in the FA Cup semi-final.
Hmm. I understood the rules differently - thank you for clarification then.
Well, at least It doesn’t negatively affect our own chances for CL - we are highly likely to play in the EL final given the matches we may have.
Our win against Norwich was anything but a laboured one. 22 shots to 2, 6-0 on target, 70% possession to 30%. That's more like failing to convert your chances than hanging on under pressure. Norwich spent majority of the game with 10 men in their 18yard box, something they've not thought to throughtout the season until they got relegated.
I've also recently seen high flying United struggle against this same Norwich team even with 10 players.
Also the overrating of Wolves is something else on here. They may well go on and beat us on at the Bridge, that's football but let's see if they can go past Burnley first.
I think both Wolves and SU will play out their next 3 games as if their lives depended on it, as each have a very low outside chance of top 4, if not, then Europa League, Wolves more so than SU. Which will help our course because they both play our top 4 rivals at some stage, but I think there will be at least 1 spot left that will be decided on the last day, if not both spots. We just have to go out and win every game without taking our foot off the pedal.
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Not aimed at you personally but I’m always of the opinion if you’re not smart enough to understand odds and calculate what you’d win yourself you’re not smart enough to gamble responsibly.
This year would be bad but we could recover with a good transfer window. If we don’t qualify next year I think we’d be looking at losing Pogba, Rashford, Martial etc. They don’t want to be playing EL, they want to be playing against the likes of Neymar and Messi, that’s where they deserve to be. We’d be looking at having to break up the squad which would be really bad news.
I don't think adding an extra layer of maths is going to deter anyone. It's not even about understanding them, it's just about convenience. Decimal odds are clearer and more convenient.
Why not represent odds with trigonometry, while we're at it? "United are sin(90) at home against West Ham United while Liverpool are cos(150) to beat Bournemouth at Anfield!"
Liverpool league winners odds sin(0.01). Need to adjust for City buying the league.
The problem is and I think it’s likely, Chelsea get stuck on 66 pts. I think they will lose to Liverpool if the record is still in reach. I think United and Leicester will win their next two matches and both have 65 points going into the match between them. A draw gets both of them in and knocks you out with GD.
I am worried about CP away.. CP away has always been one of the tough places to go .. I can only think of that Matic goal in the recent years where we won there..
WHU are fighting for survival..
So its not as easy as people make it to be
We've only not won there once since they were promoted in 2013. We drew there 0-0 under LVG
Amazing how you see what you want to see.
Going by same stats,
66% possession
36 shots
8 shots on target
xG of around 2.77 which is same as Chelsea or close to.
Just like Chelsea, we didn't take chances.
Our win last night was definitely laboured. We may have had 22 shots, but how many were actual genuine chances? The goal aside, very few, if any. We struggled to create.
Side to side passing and the occasional cross into the box/header over the bar isn't my idea of a vibrant, dynamic performance.
Side to side passing and the occasional cross into the box/header over the bar isn't my idea of a vibrant, dynamic performance.
Yup - play like that against either Liverpool or Wolves and it's hard to see you getting any points. I think you've got better performances in you, however, and 3 points from the next 2 games should be more than enough for you to clinch top 4. I think there's a very real chance that Leicester don't pick up any more points this season.
No chance Leicester beat both Spurs and Sheffield United. I’d doubt they will win either at the moment.
If we beat Palace I think we’ll end up getting top 4. Based on Leicester & Chelsea’s fixtures
I mean we have played 8 games since the restart, and won 6 of them. We're hardly bottom of the form table.