Wouldn't you think that after all the palaver with Herrera(first time round) and Fellaini, we would know, if there's a buyout clause, just pay it.Personally I just want the bloody transfer window over and done with. Sick and tired of all the rubbish in papers and you can't even trust the likes of Sky either because they drum up stories for idiots to lump money on Sky bet! What kind of clown bets on transfers??
Anyway's I've a feeling Otamendi has agreed to join us, seems quite verbal about wanting to leave. It seems to be an issue over meeting his buyout clause though. Other than that, I'm not really sure what to think, with the amount of players linked it really could be any or even none of them
Too early to be getting worried?
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Personally I just want the bloody transfer window over and done with. Sick and tired of all the rubbish in papers and you can't even trust the likes of Sky either because they drum up stories for idiots to lump money on Sky bet! What kind of clown bets on transfers??
Anyway's I've a feeling Otamendi has agreed to join us, seems quite verbal about wanting to leave. It seems to be an issue over meeting his buyout clause though. Other than that, I'm not really sure what to think, with the amount of players linked it really could be any or even none of them
I've never done it in my life but if I could've bet money on Memphis joining us I would have gone all in. I was so sure that it was going to happen, too bad we already signed him
Stop, stop that'd be far too sensible! Haggling over a few million euro when your the most profitable football club in the world?!
I've never done it in my life but if I could've bet money on Memphis joining us I would have gone all in. I was so sure that it was going to happen, too bad we already signed him
I thought about lumping on Bale staying at Real about a month ago when the stories of "nearly a done deal" broke in the media, closest I've come to betting on transfer.
I've never done it in my life but if I could've bet money on Memphis joining us I would have gone all in. I was so sure that it was going to happen, too bad we already signed him
You are Memphis, You had inside information from the best source possible!
I thought at least after all the Euro qualifiers were done, we would finalize Schneiderlin.. Maybe he is not our first choice as many have suggested here.. But I would like to see us sign him as he is proven PL player and the right age group.. If the manager wants Schweinsteiger, I trust his judgement, but it would be a short term fix but definitely a world class one.. If we are looking for a Carrick replacement, we could do better than Bastian as he has been injury prone the last few seasons.. Schneiderlin would fit the bill nicely..
If Otamendi is our first choice CB, I can understand the delay due to Copa America and Valencia's stand of selling not less than his release clause(According to papers).
I am not yet in panic mode, but I would prefer the bulk of our signings done before the players come back to training.. It is absolutely imperitive that most of our squad gets a full preseason and hit the ground running as the season starts..
I am a little worried that Woody might go for marquee signings to justify the Adidas deal money and to show we can sign players from the top shelf.. Although I admire the thought process of seeing big name players turn up for United, I would rather see the needs of the team addressed and get the players who fit the system, rather than find the system based on players..
If we sign the RB, CB and No.6 before pre season, then we can wait it out for that marquee signing even later in the window..
As I said.. Not in panic mode.. Yet.
If Otamendi is our first choice CB, I can understand the delay due to Copa America and Valencia's stand of selling not less than his release clause(According to papers).
I am not yet in panic mode, but I would prefer the bulk of our signings done before the players come back to training.. It is absolutely imperitive that most of our squad gets a full preseason and hit the ground running as the season starts..
I am a little worried that Woody might go for marquee signings to justify the Adidas deal money and to show we can sign players from the top shelf.. Although I admire the thought process of seeing big name players turn up for United, I would rather see the needs of the team addressed and get the players who fit the system, rather than find the system based on players..
If we sign the RB, CB and No.6 before pre season, then we can wait it out for that marquee signing even later in the window..
As I said.. Not in panic mode.. Yet.
This thread is desperately lacking empirical comparisons between the dates of transfers of players signed by top sides over the past few seasons.
I started to do it myself to prove my awesomeness and how much better than the rest of you I clearly am, but then I realized that on clubs Wikipedia 'pages it often lists players signed date as July 1st even if the deal was agreed before. Amazing though I am, I'm not going to open the Wiki pages of every one of those players and read their bloody bio in order to find the actual date that the deals were agreed. I'm more of a copy and paste kind of guy. One of you lesser posters will have to do it. Someone who needs to prove how awesome they are even more than me (a lot).
I started to do it myself to prove my awesomeness and how much better than the rest of you I clearly am, but then I realized that on clubs Wikipedia 'pages it often lists players signed date as July 1st even if the deal was agreed before. Amazing though I am, I'm not going to open the Wiki pages of every one of those players and read their bloody bio in order to find the actual date that the deals were agreed. I'm more of a copy and paste kind of guy. One of you lesser posters will have to do it. Someone who needs to prove how awesome they are even more than me (a lot).
What do you mean what players? All the players. ALL OF THEM!
Oh okay cool. Yeah you do it.
I'll manage the committee and delegate to others. I'm no lacky.
It's so difficult to decipher the issues but the basic problem has been that we've changed managers twice within a year, and both new managers arrived late and needed a bit of time to make decisions - Moyes more than Van Gaal, obviously. The way we are structured gives complete control to the manager, because we had the same manager for 26.5 years. It doesn't work as well when the manager keeps changing.
Last summer wasn't bad but also not great. We got good players, and I'm not bothered about prices, but four of them arrived late. People who expect all our deals done early will be disappointed this summer as well, because it's not all up to us and the idea that we'll scrap any deal not done until July 1 is a bit silly. But we surely went into this summer knowing clearly what and who we want, and that gives us a far better chance than in the summer of 2013 and 2014.
Well here's hoping we sign someone tomorrow otherwise this whole preseason has been a disaster.
The entire thread is filled with assumptions and presumptions.
I'm more concerned that Evans is still at the club....and that nobody would buy him!
To put in context has any other club made a high cost signing? Madrid got Danilo and we got Memphis before the season ended but aside from that there hasn't actually been much big transfers has there?
Good point and also Fletcher...Evans and possibly Rafael are the only deadwood left in the squad.
Personally I just want the bloody transfer window over and done with. Sick and tired of all the rubbish in papers and you can't even trust the likes of Sky either because they drum up stories for idiots to lump money on Sky bet! What kind of clown bets on transfers??
Anyway's I've a feeling Otamendi has agreed to join us, seems quite verbal about wanting to leave. It seems to be an issue over meeting his buyout clause though. Other than that, I'm not really sure what to think, with the amount of players linked it really could be any or even none of them
Me, made 1k in the January window
It's not a good point, it's an absolutely terrible point.
All three of Anderson, Cleverley and Fletcher moved for free as we were unable to arrange for them to be bought (which was the original point made). We'll do well to get a small fee for Evans this summer, otherwise he too will move for free next year.
I was ecstatic to be rid of Cleverley and Anderson, those two stunk up our midfield for years. It wasn't solely a financial thing, it was to free up midfield spots for better midfielders to slot in.
Id show Evans the door ASAP and promote someone from the first team.
Let's stick to the point that was made. We'll do very well to sell Evans for anything resembling a reasonable fee, and might not be able to unload him at all.
I think the main thing is that the transfer window is bollocks and the fact that people are paid for having ITK rumours and other bullshit is truly one of the worst things about modern football.
Get rid of twitter and newspapers linking us with every player under the sun and the fans wouldn't be so on edge for other signings.
Get rid of twitter and newspapers linking us with every player under the sun and the fans wouldn't be so on edge for other signings.
I think overall this is one of the slowest transfer summers in recent years.
I still buy the newspaper every day in the hope that we've signed Kluivert. Twitter makes no difference
Really? Doesn't everything usually get done, you know, when the window is open?
Nope, this is when the transfer becomes official with the FA, however many transfers are announced long before the transfer window is open. The transfer window opens on the 1st of July but that is just a formality really.
For example - we announced Depay on the 7th of May and the signing was official on the 12th of June.
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The Copa America doesn't end until 4th July, so I won't be looking for much activity before that. - assuming we're really in for the likes of Firmino, Otamendi etc.
Have a feeling that the club will announce at least 1 signing this week. Getting close to when players have to report for training, so should see some movement soon.
Do you lot do know that the window doesn't open for over another week yet? Open. Not close.
Worried? Seriously?
Worried? Seriously?
The window only relates to the registration of new players with the relevant FA. A club can sign a player anytime they want - witness Barcelona, who have a transfer ban in place until January. They can sign players now but can't register them until January.
So why would anyone start worrying before we can even officially transfer players? It is more than a bit silly.
Right, there's only one way we can definitively answer the question: "Is it too early to be getting worried?"
I need a team of willing and motivatedlackies workers, who will each take up one of the following tasks.
1. Lacky A can look through the dates of Man City signings over the past 5 seasons
2. Lacky B can look through the dates of Chelsea signings over the past 5 seasons
3. Lacky C can look through the dates of Arsenal signings over the past 5 seasons
4. Lacky D can look through the dates of Liverpool signings over the past 5 seasons
5. Lacky E can look through the dates of Real Madrid signings over the past 5 seasons
6. Lacky F can look through the dates of Barcelona signings over the past 5 seasons
7. Lacky G can look through the dates of Bayern Munich signings over the past 5 seasons
Next up we need a small team of analytical lackies to interpret the data
8. Analytical lacky A can analyse the average amount of signings made prior to today's date
9. Analytical lacky B can analyse the average amount of signings made at forthnightly intervals between now and the end of the transfer window, and presumably make some kind of graph or bar chart with bright colours and shit
10. Analytical lacky C can then analyse how team's started the season in terms of results, and compare it to the earlyness of transfers
11. Analytical lacky D can analyse the affects on international tournaments on the completion dates of transfers
12. Analytical lacky E can assess the above criteria and amend if necessary. Four reserve lackies will be on standby for any additional research that Analytical lacky E deems necessary.
And finally,
13. Super-Expert Analytical Lacky can analyse all of the above data and make a Duckworth-Lewis style formula for how on track we are towards a successful transfer window.
As Supervisor and Grand Overseer of this project, I will be in the charge of the hiring process of aspiring lackies. Y'all can email me your CVs detailing your analytical experience and a personal statement explaining your passion for transfer muppetry and your eagerness to work extremely hard in order to prove yourself as a semi-worthy human being/RedCafe poster.
Then, and ONLY then, will we have the definitive answer to the question.
Here is where I finish with an inspirational team talk/call to arms. I'll edit it in later. Or if someone would like to write one for me then that would be much appreciated. Go!
I need a team of willing and motivated
1. Lacky A can look through the dates of Man City signings over the past 5 seasons
2. Lacky B can look through the dates of Chelsea signings over the past 5 seasons
3. Lacky C can look through the dates of Arsenal signings over the past 5 seasons
4. Lacky D can look through the dates of Liverpool signings over the past 5 seasons
5. Lacky E can look through the dates of Real Madrid signings over the past 5 seasons
6. Lacky F can look through the dates of Barcelona signings over the past 5 seasons
7. Lacky G can look through the dates of Bayern Munich signings over the past 5 seasons
Next up we need a small team of analytical lackies to interpret the data
8. Analytical lacky A can analyse the average amount of signings made prior to today's date
9. Analytical lacky B can analyse the average amount of signings made at forthnightly intervals between now and the end of the transfer window, and presumably make some kind of graph or bar chart with bright colours and shit
10. Analytical lacky C can then analyse how team's started the season in terms of results, and compare it to the earlyness of transfers
11. Analytical lacky D can analyse the affects on international tournaments on the completion dates of transfers
12. Analytical lacky E can assess the above criteria and amend if necessary. Four reserve lackies will be on standby for any additional research that Analytical lacky E deems necessary.
And finally,
13. Super-Expert Analytical Lacky can analyse all of the above data and make a Duckworth-Lewis style formula for how on track we are towards a successful transfer window.
As Supervisor and Grand Overseer of this project, I will be in the charge of the hiring process of aspiring lackies. Y'all can email me your CVs detailing your analytical experience and a personal statement explaining your passion for transfer muppetry and your eagerness to work extremely hard in order to prove yourself as a semi-worthy human being/RedCafe poster.
Then, and ONLY then, will we have the definitive answer to the question.
Here is where I finish with an inspirational team talk/call to arms. I'll edit it in later. Or if someone would like to write one for me then that would be much appreciated. Go!
I'd be worried if, in a month from now, we're in the same position. Ideally, we'd want a few more transfers completed before pre-season. Now is not the time to be worried.
I am worried. It's less than a month left before the preseason opener. Feels like we aren't getting the ones he had planned, and now we're spending time on looking at alternatives.
As they said, Wibble, the regisitration deadline should have no bearing whatsoever on deciding whether we're late or not. The only deadline I think we should look at is (A) the first preseason fixture and (B) start of the PL. The former is less than 20 working days from now.
I'm not worried but things obviously aren't going to plan, everything that came out towards the back end of the season stated that we wanted our business done before pre-season, we've got less than a month and only Memphis is in and he signed in May, this summer it's clear we need a CB, RB, DM, Striker and if/when De Gea goes, a GK. It's concerning that we'd have to potentially get 5 players in within the next month to meet that target (obviously business doesn't have to be specifically done before we go on tour but it'll make things a lot easier if we have those players in for a full pre-season), even with excuses like the Copa America, the only players we've been heavily linked to there are Firmino and Otamendi, so you'd think even if we were holding off until the end for them that we'd still be doing something else, it probably makes it more difficult with the fact that nobody has any idea who we're really interested in, which creates that element of panic.
Teams like City, Arsenal and Chelsea have settled sides, they're not going to be overhauling there squad this summer so it doesn't really matter too much if they hold out on players and even then, Chelsea have basically signed Falcao, City will more than likely get Sterling and Arsenal seem to be on the verge of getting Cech, so it's not like other teams aren't doing anything. With regards too us it's much more important for us to get our business done early, especially given our first 6 fixtures aren't the easiest. We're starting earlier this year and we don't want to end up in the same position as we were last August. Obviously there's ages to go yet so it isn't panic stations but I definitely thought we'd hear a bit more on players or we'd have got a couple of deals over the line by now, especially when out of the Top 4 it's most important that we have the players in early given that most of our signings will be starters and we're going to have to contend with Champions league qualification early on in the season.
Teams like City, Arsenal and Chelsea have settled sides, they're not going to be overhauling there squad this summer so it doesn't really matter too much if they hold out on players and even then, Chelsea have basically signed Falcao, City will more than likely get Sterling and Arsenal seem to be on the verge of getting Cech, so it's not like other teams aren't doing anything. With regards too us it's much more important for us to get our business done early, especially given our first 6 fixtures aren't the easiest. We're starting earlier this year and we don't want to end up in the same position as we were last August. Obviously there's ages to go yet so it isn't panic stations but I definitely thought we'd hear a bit more on players or we'd have got a couple of deals over the line by now, especially when out of the Top 4 it's most important that we have the players in early given that most of our signings will be starters and we're going to have to contend with Champions league qualification early on in the season.
Lackeys are no good. You need to recruit flunkies or minions. Best of all - graduate students.
We've got a month. A month. You say we're heavily linked with two players who are currently not able to sign for us. That means if we get them we'd have three new players. We're doing absolutely fine. There is quite literally nothing to worry about apart from some transfer window fans getting bored because there isn't anything new happening/
Yes. Too early.
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