As I say, I don't disagree. As you acknowledge yourself though it's harder to bring in the top tier players and even the 'low-hanging-fruits' you mention are still a level above the players Liverpool are targeting. If we'd have wanted Clyne, Firmino, Ings, and Milner then I can say fairly objectively that we'd have probably had them in already without much effort on our part. We don't though, we want better players who are much harder to get... Not that I'm not starting to get a bit twitchy myself though.
Too early to be getting worried?
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As I say, I don't disagree. As you acknowledge yourself though it's harder to bring in the top tier players and even the 'low-hanging-fruits' you mention are still a level above the players Liverpool are targeting. If we'd have wanted Clyne, Firmino, Ings, and Milner then I can say fairly objectively that we'd have probably had them in already without much effort on our part. We don't though, we want better players who are much harder to get... Not that I'm not starting to get a bit twitchy myself though.
Trouble is, Schneiderlin isn't so much a low hanging fruit. Southampton will obviously attempt to fleece us because well, we're us.
Oh well, we haven't got long to wait. The next 2 weeks will tell the tale - our first tour game is on the 17th and surely LVG wants the new signings to be available for that where possible - assuming they're not still involved in the Copa America.
No, of course there aren't quotes from named officials. Briefing is exactly the opposite of that. And, whether we had a bid accepted or not, where do you think the claims we have, to the point where a journalist can then state that we have, came from? it's still happening 1) whether you choose to believe or not 2) thankfully it doesn't look quite as misguided as it has in the past...yet.
The fact is that we are never gonna sign any players on the cheap, because we are United. People know we can pay, and people know that if we want a player, chances are that they could be first team players, and that is potentially worth a lot of money.
However, comparatively, you would agree that it would be easier to sign Schneiderlin than to sign Schweinstiger. Schneiderlin is from a "smaller" club, is ambitious, and the move would represent an upwards move for him in terms of recognition, playing level and earnings. Schweinstiger, on the other hand, has a lot more to lose by joining us - his status as Mr Bayern Munchen, and his chances of making history with BM. He is at one of the European powerhouse and a move to Man Utd isn't much of an upwards move other than his earnings.
I think we really needed to show our ambition early this summer, to demonstrate we're ready to take the squad and success on the pitch a level further.
The message to our existing squad, fans, and also our rivals should have been that we mean business and we're going to come out all guns blazing as soon as the season kicks off.
As such our performance in the transfer market has failed to do this, and I'm increasingly concerned that we're not going to improve much on last year, going by what we're seeing at the moment
The message to our existing squad, fans, and also our rivals should have been that we mean business and we're going to come out all guns blazing as soon as the season kicks off.
As such our performance in the transfer market has failed to do this, and I'm increasingly concerned that we're not going to improve much on last year, going by what we're seeing at the moment
Not worried, anxiousness is there because of how the last few windows were handled. There is an eerie similarity.
Not worried but a bit pissed after all the we are preparing for next season since January stuff
Don't think I am outright worried yet. However, I remember hearing how we were gonna get our business done early this year and now we are in July with only the one signing. Still have some holes to fill. Hopefully this week won't end like it has begun.
No actually a briefing is not the opposite of that. Journo's post false rumours all the time, they make them up, agents make them up etc etc. Garay is a prime example, done deal about 10 times and he still has not played a game for us.
If we are worrying now, imagine the crisis when we realise that we are putting all our eggs into the Schweinstegger and Ramos basket, end up getting neither and because of that pissing off / missing out on Schneiderlin and Otemendi (and losing DDG on top of that) 
If we are worrying now, imagine the crisis when we realise that we are putting all our eggs into the Schweinstegger and Ramos basket, end up getting neither and because of that pissing off / missing out on Schneiderlin and Otemendi (and losing DDG on top of that)
I think this scenario is actually becoming more of a certainty as time goes on.
We are so inept it's untrue - if ever a book gets written about how not to operate in the transfer market, we'll provide c.95% of all the case study material
I'm getting twitchy.
I'm lost. I don't know what you think a briefing is but it doesn't include getting quotes from someone. Let's just leave it.
Going after the wrong targets again as usual. Mats Hummels, Bastian Schweinsteiger, Gareth Bale, Iklay Gundogdan, Sergio Ramos. All of whom never had any interest in joining us. Missing out on Clyne for a bargain price of 12.5m too is just unbelievable.
We dodged a bullet there.
I just don't see what's so great about him. Average at best.
He isn't Glen Johnson
That and all the trumpeting about how we want our business done real quick and have signings ready for a full pre-season. Another two weeks with no signings and that's shot. At least last year there was the world cup for an excuse.
Was hoping some signing would be unveiled today after silent background work so a bit irritated today
. That and watching 'pool sign a handful of decent players already. Not saying they'll all go on to be great hits, but it's bugging me. Jewish kid at christmas. And nervous about panic Falcao-type signings with each passing day.We just need to get a DM, and CB in before the tour (Schneiderlin, and Otemendi) if we can do that and get them bedded in for the new season, and CL qualifiers we'll be ok,
The new striker, and RB can then follow in August sometime, in the meantime Rooney, Jones/Valencia/Rafael will be ok.
The new striker, and RB can then follow in August sometime, in the meantime Rooney, Jones/Valencia/Rafael will be ok.
If we are worrying now, imagine the crisis when we realise that we are putting all our eggs into the Schweinstegger and Ramos basket, end up getting neither and because of that pissing off / missing out on Schneiderlin and Otemendi (and losing DDG on top of that)
This place will implode and canee' take the strain on deadline day.
I can see this thread gaining momentum over the course of this summer.
I for one laughed at it at first, but given that the likes of Liverpool have 6 players in the bag and we still just have the guy we had to buy before the end of last season, I'm starting to get just a little concerned...
I for one laughed at it at first, but given that the likes of Liverpool have 6 players in the bag and we still just have the guy we had to buy before the end of last season, I'm starting to get just a little concerned...
If we still haven't signed anyone by the start of pre-season, I'll be worried. Having said that, I am a bit concerned seeing as though we were so vocal about getting our business done early and as of yet don't really look close to signing anyone at the moment.
Like I say, if no one is signed between the 19th and 27th of July, then start to get a little worried, until then? plenty of time to sign atleast 2 to 3 players. We already signed one of the most exciting players, so its our summer transfer dealings are ok, since we have strengthened the creativity of the team
Surely we want as many new players as possible on the tour with us? The first game is on the 17th.
They've basically become Spurs. Taking punts on a shed-load of over-priced mediocrities each summer, then letting most of them rot on the bench, in the off chance that one of them will earn them a fat wedge of cash in a few years time so they can rinse and repeat....
Doubt is starting to creep in. It's easy to say we can take solace in the fact Chelsea and Arsenal have signed one player like us, while City are yet to do any business, but that still doesn't detract from the fact we need to strengthen numerous positions.
We'll sign Schneiderlin, I'm almost certain of that and we'll sign a centre back though it might not be Ramos. We do need a second midfielder though and a right back, where the options have dwindled. I can accept no replacement keeper for de Gea or no striker, but we still need four more signings.
We'll sign Schneiderlin, I'm almost certain of that and we'll sign a centre back though it might not be Ramos. We do need a second midfielder though and a right back, where the options have dwindled. I can accept no replacement keeper for de Gea or no striker, but we still need four more signings.
I'll be concerned if we haven't a defender and a midfielder by the time we tour.
The tension is bad for my heart but I still have full faith in Woodward, the deals that can be completed before the tour will be here on time. If we don't get Ramos but go for someone like Otamendi it doesn't matter if we wait since he's not able to pass a medical right now anyways. 1 or tops 2 deals might drag on but I'm expecting a wave of signings from now untill the lads step on the plane.
Luckily it's getting warmer because I haven't been wearing pants since Memphis signed.
Luckily it's getting warmer because I haven't been wearing pants since Memphis signed.
I am not worried that we won't sign players - but it is a concern that the manager talks about spending early, and we are nowhere near that. I am not saying we should have 3-4 players in box by now - but with the tour only about 2 weeks away....well....
Its funny that some people on here are calling LFC's signings as mediocre.
Clyne - this is a guy who many fans coveted. They wanted him in our first team. They said we NEED this guy in our team. He signs for LFC and suddenly he is mediocre?
Have a read: https://www.redcafe.net/threads/we-desperately-need-a-right-back.399126/
Ferminho - I never liked this guy. But when there as talk of him joining us, again fans were very excited (check his transfer thread on this forum, you will see). He joins LFC and now he is mediocre?
I cant help but feel that some fans on here have sour grapes.
LFC are aggressive and dont seem to be taking no for an answer. They want to get their business done early and if a player is unattainable they turn their attention to another player, who they acquire quickly.
Unfortunately, for whatever reason, we are not being as aggressive, despite us offering the highest wages and the highest transfer fees.
The other excuses I've seen are: It's June - we cant do business in June. And my favourite - Copa America tournament will prevent all transfers.
Clyne - this is a guy who many fans coveted. They wanted him in our first team. They said we NEED this guy in our team. He signs for LFC and suddenly he is mediocre?
Have a read: https://www.redcafe.net/threads/we-desperately-need-a-right-back.399126/
Ferminho - I never liked this guy. But when there as talk of him joining us, again fans were very excited (check his transfer thread on this forum, you will see). He joins LFC and now he is mediocre?
I cant help but feel that some fans on here have sour grapes.
LFC are aggressive and dont seem to be taking no for an answer. They want to get their business done early and if a player is unattainable they turn their attention to another player, who they acquire quickly.
Unfortunately, for whatever reason, we are not being as aggressive, despite us offering the highest wages and the highest transfer fees.
The other excuses I've seen are: It's June - we cant do business in June. And my favourite - Copa America tournament will prevent all transfers.
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If we are worrying now, imagine the crisis when we realise that we are putting all our eggs into the Schweinstegger and Ramos basket, end up getting neither and because of that pissing off / missing out on Schneiderlin and Otemendi (and losing DDG on top of that)
I still don't get why you would prefer Schweinsteiger or Ramos. Schneiderlin is a longer term prospect and Otamendi is better than Ramos.
I'm not remotely concerned. I'm not so sure that Depay is the guaranteed first 11 player that some seem to assume he will be, but he has potential. Ultimately I'm encouraged that yesterday and today we've seen us taking care of our own garden: we've extended Jones and Young and have moved on Amos and Janko, with Nani well on his way it appears. I think it's crucial that RvP, Chicharito and Rafael get sorted one way or the other as well. We have to set the chessboard at least. I'd be most obliged if our current 25 player squad limit should be posted based on age, it's the most telling sign of what lies ahead. I don't buy too much into Twitter and rumors, but I'm encouraged by what I read so far. Those that have really picked up pace like Schneiderlein, Ramos and Coleman really point to the club management looking to strengthen the spine of the team, IMO.
It does, it's a good indicator of the type of player we seek to obtain. Thing is, can we get these deals done. We always seem to offer a fee just under what the club requests, why? I've absolutely no idea. Schneiderlin is obtainable I've no doubt. We can probably get it done in the next few days (then again, I actually thought we'd have it done by now).
The other main transfers I can't see being completed, Ramos & Schweinsteiger. Mueller is the new one today and again he falls into the same bracket, there's little to no hope of getting these players. What then? I've a feeling we'll be left with scraps by the time LVG & Woodward wake up and realize that we need players registered in time for the CL and PL, left in a situation again where we have to over pay and rush deals through in the last 2-3 days of the window.
Fair play, but again I don't buy too much into the rumour mill. Could well be that none of these names are even on our radar. I'm as guilty as any of indulging in transfer gossip, but at the end of the day I acknowledge that it's possible we have no idea who the club are targeting. It also doesn't help matters, as much as some may want to paint United as paupers, or the ugliest girl in the bar, in reality United are one of the richest fellows in the bar, and glamourous to boot. We can't blame other clubs for realising that we have the cash to back up our preferences, and that they'll negotiate accordingly.
Ill get worried if we dont buy playera before 17th of July. Angry if we start the league without new faces.
Feels very similar to the Moyes summer aka a complete cock up.
Going for players we're never going to sign while achievable targets are signed by other clubs.
Also, if two of the main three targets are either 30 or in their 30th year, this also feels wrong for a club trying to rebuild and frankly stinks of a manager looking to achieve success in his short tenure.
Let's hope the media are wrong and we're actually getting our business done very quietly.
Going for players we're never going to sign while achievable targets are signed by other clubs.
Also, if two of the main three targets are either 30 or in their 30th year, this also feels wrong for a club trying to rebuild and frankly stinks of a manager looking to achieve success in his short tenure.
Let's hope the media are wrong and we're actually getting our business done very quietly.
So you're saying he shouldn't be looking to achieve success in his short tenure?
Side note on this. I quite rate Mueller, and the idea of a United side with both Rooney and Mueller available for selection is delectable. I love the idea of pushing the boat out for a player like that, even it did end in failure. I see where you're coming from, Unitec should seal up the deals that seem, to us at least, feasible. But I've no problem with going all out for difference makers. I realise people want to castigate Moyes and Woodward for pursuing Bale and Fabregas. I just simply don't agree. Those were difference makers -and if we'd pulled it off, we'd all be singing a different tune now.
Maybe we are waiting for the womens world cup to be over. We are signing a woman.
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