If we ever had even a remote chance at signing him, then it is a grave error that we failed to do so. A midfielder with elegance and intelligence should always be the priority. Annoyed that people value insignificant or barbaric traits like mobility or 'steel.' We should want the best footballers, not athletes or thugs.
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He was one of the most important players IMO, that's why I can't really understand why they don't want him to stay, even if it would mean that he'd get higher wages. You'd think he's worth it.
Both have runners around them though. I think we chose herrera over kroos as it was a case of either not both. Have no idea if it will turn out to to be a good move though, have barely seen him play.
Exactly right there, this is possibly only reason why LVG has abandoned the pursuit for his signing. Since united has got attacking play makers already with the likes of Mata and Kagawa. LVG is looking for energy in the midfield which united has been lacking so much down the years. Kroos does remind so much of young Paul Scholes and id love to see him at united but LVG i trust, this guy knows what he is doing.
When we see this kind of player playing like this in a WC semi final, I just want to ask LVG why why why ??????
Give him the 12M£ he wants, give Bayern the 30M needed and that will be enough...
The guy is just the perfect midfielder, he can play deeper or higher and still be the best around
Usually LVG plays with 3 man in midfield
Imagine a midfield
----------------------Kroos----------------------
------------Herrera-------------Vidal-------------
Mata------------------RVP------------------Wazza
Give him the 12M£ he wants, give Bayern the 30M needed and that will be enough...
The guy is just the perfect midfielder, he can play deeper or higher and still be the best around
Usually LVG plays with 3 man in midfield
Imagine a midfield
----------------------Kroos----------------------
------------Herrera-------------Vidal-------------
Mata------------------RVP------------------Wazza
Remember in one his past stints at Barca LVG went straight in and shifted Riquelme out immediately telling him infamously ‘You aren’t my player, I don’t need you here – find yourself a team to go to on loan’.
Its bothers me that people think ball players just happen to not run. Xavi and Pirlo cover a lot of miles.
Yeah, I haven't seen Herrera near enough times to make a comparison between the two.
What I can says is that if he's a better central midfielder than Kroos we've got ourselves a hell of a footballer!
Yeah, because that's what I said. They don't run. Gotcha.
Barely breaking into a jog must be slang for running!! Sorry I mis-read you.
This.
Agree 100% with you on that. Thats the only thing stopping me from being completely disappointed over us missing out.
Would people have preferred a Gundogan or Kroos out of curiosity ? Ignoring Gundogan's injury ofcourse.
Kross every day for me. He just oozes class and makes everything look easy.
Ignoring his injury record I would take him over anyone bar Vidal. It's easier to fit him in the team than Kross.
Don't get them started they'll have you believe Toni Kroos was always their preferred player.
Gundogan for me because he is more mobile but Kroos has a greater shot and better left foot.
I don't like bringing up stats, but especially as some claim he hardly moves. He's covered more ground than per minute than Mascherano and Matuidi but no, he's lazy and immobile.
He covers a lot of ground, just because he doesn't charge around the pitch like Ramires/Fernandinho but that doesn't mean he's lazy or any of these comments banded about.
He covers a lot of ground, just because he doesn't charge around the pitch like Ramires/Fernandinho but that doesn't mean he's lazy or any of these comments banded about.
We'd have no pace out wide in that team and all just to accommodate Kroos. Would be pointless.
Nigel De Jong is not half the player Toni Kroos is but someone like him partnered with Herrera (with Mata playing as the most advanced of a three) would be far more balanced. We need someone defensively capable alongside Herrera and Kroos, brilliant as he is, is not that man.
Its funny, while I really wanted Kroos under Moyes, I worried that he wouldn't know what to do with him and would try playing him a midfield 2.
Now we have LVG, who I dont doubt would fit Kroos into a perfect system to get the best from him, and he doesn't want him.
Now we have LVG, who I dont doubt would fit Kroos into a perfect system to get the best from him, and he doesn't want him.
The best playmaker in the game today bar none.
Indeed. The idea that Van Gaal couldn't find way to effectively use such a talented footballer would worry me almost as much as the idea that he doesn't rate him.
Pirlo covered 2nd most ground in the Italian team IIRC too. But at walking pace which is different hence won't take them stats for absolute worth.
Kroos has some lazy games which frustrates fans, but won't classify as absolutely Lazy all the time either.
Being mobile and being able to jog are too different things. His definatley not lazy. But i don't think he's very mobile.
I trust LvG. His record speaks for itself so he has indeed passed up the opportunity to sign Kroos, he will have his reasons. We've got Herrera, who is a fantastic talent, so maybe LvG feels he can get more out of Herrera than he would Kroos.
I agree on this. Gundogan before injury i thought was perfect for us and i think that's the sort of reason why LVG has gone for Herrera who we see as a more all round Gundogan type player and not Kroos who is class in his own way. (Now what is to be seen is if Herrera can reach that class or close to it in the PL surrounded by better players. I actually think he can.)
You can find parralels in Ancelotti wanting to keep Di Maria and sell Ozil in a different position last summer.
Well put. Kross is class, but with our current midfielders it would be hard to utilitize him properly.
Indeed I doubt it. Just like players who were linked to us under Fergie. He probably was interested but got a very early indication that said player does not want the move to Utd. Its probably the same with Kroos.
Errr WTF...
It's so on.
Rooney to Bayern?
He tagged his brother, heh. It's on, right?
I can see the theories poping up about Rooney wanting Kroos to join us to emulate Scholes. Now there's no way the Vidal thread will overtake this one.
Was retweeted by his brother who follows Rooney.
I can see the theories poping up about Rooney wanting Kroos to join us to emulate Scholes. Now there's no way the Vidal thread will overtake this one.
Vidal, Kroos and Herrera and I think we can put our midfield woes to bed?
We could, but at cost of Mata, unless we play a 4-3-1-2 without wingers.
His brother's a bit of a United fan, apparently.
No 4-3-3 Mata plays right of front 3 which is his best spot.
My version sounds more hopeful.
Right of the front three is Mata's best spot?
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