Bad error for the goal and also made a horrible mess of a routine clearance from a near post corner. Thought he passed the ball quite well though.
Tom Cleverley | 2014/15 Performances (on loan at Aston Villa)
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He has a better match than usual last night (the stupid goal conceded aside but that happens to everyone).I don't think he's good enough but his passing last night was ok.If he is our 4th or 5th choice CM then I will keep him for another season.
Forward passes are probably quite difficult for cleverley. He doesn't have the ability to create space for himself, either through dribbling or a good first touch that top midfielders have to give themselves the edge. Neither does he have the touch, positional sense nor vision to make things happen by dictating the play.
That's how he gets into situations where the only thing he can do is to pass sideways and back, which are the options that the opposition actually gives him.
That's how he gets into situations where the only thing he can do is to pass sideways and back, which are the options that the opposition actually gives him.
Can't remember the last time I've seen someone so low on confidence.
He has the ability to be a good player for us, but all of the time he just wants to play the safe pass.
It's like he does everything not to hear those disgruntled fans' sigh after giving the ball away trying something ambitious.
He has the ability to be a good player for us, but all of the time he just wants to play the safe pass.
It's like he does everything not to hear those disgruntled fans' sigh after giving the ball away trying something ambitious.
Which all adds up to, yep, he isn't good enough. He simply does not have the ability to create any sort of space for himself let alone use it effectively when he's given it.
Ho should be long gone by now. Long gone.
That is significant because it is a typical sign of any athlete who doesn't have enough mental strength to perform at the level he's expected to. When that list of axed players by LVG was published (whether it is true or not, that's another debate) the other day, one would expect Cleverley to find a way to grab that second chance. I dunno how long LVG will tolerate Cleverley's usual stuff, but I hope the fuse will be really short in his case.
My Dad's friend's son shares the same agent as Cleverley, and said that Cleverley will be rewarded with a new contract within the next week.
Cleverley will stay at United till he retires. Every manager he has ever played under rates him and even if every United fan in the world signed a letter asking for Cleverley to be sold to a 2nd division side, he wont.
Cleverley is good enough to be a squad player. I have no problem with him staying.
Hopefully it's true!
Hopefully not.
We should not be rewarding mediocre mid table performances (Valencia, Cleverley) with new contracts. Ji Sung Park was the perfect squad player and the sort of standard we should be looking at for filling up squad positions.
Why is he being rewarded? DDG is the only player that's deserving of a new contract after last season. Hopefully not true.
What's wrong with Cleverley as a squad player, or Valencia for that matter? Cleverley gets around the pitch well, plays with his heart and is a United player through and through. He may lack a little sparkle, but overall he's good enough to be a squad player. Valencia can play the wingback role quite well with his pace and stamina, if not as a first choice. We still need squad players. Selling Cleverley will mean that we must spend more money on squad players instead of focusing on improving our starting XI.
So you want to sell every player we have but DDG? City and Arsenal have nicer stadiums than United, perhaps we should sell Old Trafford too and buy a New Trafford. I know we support the club first and foremost, but that means the players that are at the club also.
Why is this relevant? I can do all that. I don't know of any other top teams who have so many average 'squad players' as we do. Would be a disaster if we had to rely on Cleverley for any decent period of time, he is not good enough. And the less said about Valencia, the better.
So who should we buy as replacements? World class players as squad players? Cleverley is still only 25 and is technically sound. Didn't cost us anything and isn't earning too much. All in all a very good basis to improve, especially under LvG. But no, let's rather buy useless players for around 20 mil and 100 k wages as their replacements / squad players.
Erm, players better than Cleverley. Squad players should be challenging first team players and keeping them on their toes, you could find some no mark Spanish midfielder in La Liga who could offer more what Cleverley does for us, IE nothing.
Who? You think a midtable Spanish player who is a starter might be happy as a squad player at United? And he would be for free? And would have low wages? You might name a few then, or?
They are more modern, but sure they are nicer? I think Old Trafford is beautiful.
The lad does have a point, to have a strong squad is very important, also for injuries which are well known at United.
My point is we should be aiming a lot higher than mid table for "squad players".
I suggest giving him a year or maybe two more to push for a place. But if by that time all he still has going for him is being a United fan, an academy product, being relatively inexpensive and already being here... we might as well cash in on him and give that squad place to younger academy players, who'll do the same job, cost even less, support United just as much, and has the potential to really improve.
Squad players shouldn't just be here to play the strict role of squad player - they should either offer pre-proven first team quality alongside serious experience (eg. Ferdinand and Giggs) the potential to be first-teamers, or maybe versatility. Not just because it's convenient.
Right now he offers a tiny bit more than the young midfielders in the academy, but that won't be the case in a year or so.
Well yeah, but you really really have to find a good balance. More often than not you will either find someone useless like Fellaini (who for me isn't better than Cleverley and even if he is in some ppls' opinion, then not by much) but who cost a fortune in transfer fee and wages or your squad player is almost as good as your starters (for example Kroos at Bayern or Thiago at Barca) and then wants to leave.
Put it a lot better than I can, good post. I would hope this is his last year if he continues to put in the same mediocre performances as the last few.
I was making a sarcastic comment
I love Old Trafford, but arguments can surely be made for City and especially Arsenal having aesthetically more pleasing stadiums than United.You can do all that? So you are a PL proven player then? Good for you.
Take away Henderson, Gerrard and Lucas and look at what Liverpool has for their squad players, then look at what City have - certainly no better than Cleverley. I distinctly said he should not be considered part of the starting XI from what we have seen thus far, but as a squad player, he's still very decent. Only Chelsea can brag about better squad players than that, tbh.
The same goes with Valencia - he should, considering his last couple of seasons, not be regarded as a starting player, but as a squad player, he's better than what most teams have, discarding once again Chelsea. Arsenal, Liverpool, City cannot brag about having better wingers/wingbacks as squad players.
Cleverley needs a goal like Fellaini has just done to get many off his back, then hopefully he can build from there.
He did that against Villa last season. THen said he wanted to kick-on from that and thought he was going to really up his level of performances. He didn't though.
I'm mainly talking from a confidence point of view, something to just give him a lift. Look at the sudden u-turn on Fellaini after his goal. Now there is a place for him in certain situations. The same people had no place for him 2 days ago.
I don't understand it when people say Cleverley needs confidence to kick on. Confidence to kick on and do what? He's a limited player, he's not going to develop into a talented midfielder on scoring a goal.
The guy was our 1st choice midfield partner to Carrick the season we lost the league on goal difference and the season we won it. I do not understand how you can sign a player like that for reasonable money and put him in as a squad player?!?!
Good news, I like Clevs. If you don't mind me asking what league does your Dad's friends's son play in?
He needs to define himself as a player, he doesn't do anything. He doesn't push forward, he doesn't score goals, he doesn't assist - he does feck all
You missed out, he can't defend.
Some utter c*nts on here these days.
EDIT: not aimed at previous post. Which is just a bit lame.
EDIT: not aimed at previous post. Which is just a bit lame.
Maybe if he had a game of excellent creative passing and good movement he'd progress, a one off goal might just make him think "next stop, champion of the world"...
I do hope LVG can make something out of him, whilst keeping his feet on the ground. Definitely a make or break season for him.
This was reported in march last year and then again in march this year...don't know what the hold up has been. He's on 35k and he's going to be bumped up to 60k plus
He obviously won’t turn down a new contract if he is offered one but I actually think it would be in his own interests not to sign a new deal, he has been the biggest loser in pre-season, he hasn’t been the worst player but he has been third choice out of three and with Carrick, Fellaini and maybe even a new arrival still to come into the equation he is facing a lot of time warming the bench or sitting in the stands.
Offering him a new deal is as much about protecting his transfer value as it is trying to keep him at the club long term, he would be better biding his time and seeing if he can make any impact on the first team, if he can’t then he will have much better choices as a free agent or with only 6 months left on his deal in January.
Offering him a new deal is as much about protecting his transfer value as it is trying to keep him at the club long term, he would be better biding his time and seeing if he can make any impact on the first team, if he can’t then he will have much better choices as a free agent or with only 6 months left on his deal in January.
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