Tom Cleverley | 2014/15 Performances (on loan at Aston Villa)

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ZDwyr said:
He did that against Villa last season. THen said he wanted to kick-on from that and thought he was going to really up his level of performances. He didn't though.
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tbf, he played well until Moyes over used him and got him knackered and then proceeded to drop him for the rest of the season. Can't tell you how badly our players were managed last season. Moyes was terrible at squad rotation.
 
The thing that annoys me most about Cleverley is his insistence on over emphasising his passes. Anyone else noticed the way he twists his body even for simple passes as if it's some masterful ball to his teammate?

I think he sees his performances completely different to everyone else. All style, no substance.
 
The main reason why he shone at Watford & Wigan was his position. He never featured in CM for them, always a .10 or even a winger. His 10 yard passes to strikers are actually quite good but when he has to dictate a game from deep he struggles as he hasn't got the passing range.

As we all know, he isn't going to be given a chance in that position so he will be a CM for us, I'm happy with him as back-up but I don't want to see him starting the season and with the way it's going, he's nailed on to get around 20-30 games this season unless we sign someone.

It's always harsh writing off young players who have showed potential before performing badly for an extending period of time i.e. Ramsey, Sterling, Fletcher, Walcott but I don't think Cleverley is in that bracket in terms of age. People still see him as youngster but he's 24 now.
 
SambaBoy said:
The main reason why he shone at Watford & Wigan was his position. He never featured in CM for them, always a .10 or even a winger. His 10 yard passes to strikers are actually quite good but when he has to dictate a game from deep he struggles as he hasn't got the passing range.

As we all know, he isn't going to be given a chance in that position so he will be a CM for us, I'm happy with him as back-up but I don't want to see him starting the season and with the way it's going, he's nailed on to get around 20-30 games this season unless we sign someone.

It's always harsh writing off young players who have showed potential before performing badly for an extending period of time i.e. Ramsey, Sterling, Fletcher, Walcott but I don't think Cleverley is in that bracket in terms of age. People still see him as youngster but he's 24 now.
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That's a fair point. Scholesy said something similar in an interview the other day too.
 
Roma alone, Clevs actually played well in every pre season game imo. Passed it crisply, put tackles in, passed the ball forwards, made runs forwards. Generally been active in the game and looking for the ball. But that won't stop the tide of bollocks pushed in his direction by frustrated Vidal fans as reality starts to set in.

I actually liked the look of Fellaini and Cleverley as a midfield partnership, they actually bossed the midfield against Valencia (albeit a weakened Valencia side at that point).
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Some utter c*nts on here these days.
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I agree - the caf is becoming worryingly like RAWK with some of the absolute tosh being constantly spouted.


I think a big part of Cleverleys problem (with the fans) is simply that he isn't the all-powerful, world class CM that we have wanted for the last 5 or so years. Realistically he is no worse than other squad players we have had (Valencia, Park, O'Shea, Gibson). Normally with those players though, they are distinct backups to far superior players we have in their positions.

With Cleverley, the fact that we haven't invested properly in midfield over the last few years means he has seen more gametime, and the fans probably expected him to become the world class player that we lacked - which he was never going to do.

That said, if it came down to him or Fellaini then for footballing reasons I would prefer Fellaini (if you bring wages/homegrown etc into it, it becomes a harder decision).
 
RedSky said:
Roma alone, Clevs actually played well in every pre season game imo. Passed it crisply, put tackles in, passed the ball forwards, made runs forwards. Generally been active in the game and looking for the ball. But that won't stop the tide of bollocks pushed in his direction by frustrated Vidal fans as reality starts to set in.

I actually liked the look of Fellaini and Cleverley as a midfield partnership, they actually bossed the midfield against Valencia (albeit a weakened Valencia side at that point).
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Our standards for a good midfielder really have dropped over the last years
 
Cleverley to come on in the 2nd half with United going on to win the game. 2 lowest rated players will be Hernandez and Cleverley.
 
Can't have impressed LVG as not even a sub today, one of those days though where it might have worked in his favour not playing though. Do feel he will have to grab any opportunities he gets or he could be sold in this window especially if we can't offload fellaini.
 
Was he injured or something? Tbh I would prefer him to Fellaini or even Fletcher for that matter and that is not saying much... It is just mind boggling to see Fellaini in the team and the hopeless punts forward towards him are absolutely maddening. To make matters worse he doesn't even seem convincing in any of his aerial battles and he doesn't even properly contest for the ball aerially most of the time,
 
Why is this lad being mentioned today? He would of done nothing to change us. He would of joined in with the slow passing and lack of creativity.
 
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Squad player in a group of even more squad players. (Beside Ander Herrera)
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Would you class the performance of Herrera above a squad players today? He offered nothing going forward and did nothing to dictate our game or our tempo. Pretty damning of our midfield when Herrera is being touted as the stand out quality in it.
 
Blue always red said:
Would you class the performance of Herrera above a squad players today? He offered nothing going forward and did nothing to dictate our game or our tempo. Pretty damning of our midfield when Herrera is being touted as the stand out quality in it.
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In that case we'll need a new midfield and that doesn't even sound so extreme to me as we were begging for some movement in that formation from years and all we have is Powell instead of Pogba.
 
Van Piorsing said:
In that case we'll need a new midfield and that doesn't even sound so extreme to me as we were begging for some movement in that formation from years and all we have is Powell instead of Pogba.
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It's true and thats the worst part about it. I'm a huge fan of Herrera but if we're being deadly truthful would he be a regular starter for your City, Chelsea, Arsenal? I reckon he'd be a squadie for them whilst he's the best we have. It really is strange why we've never strengthened that position when we're so lack luster in there.
 
Blue always red said:
It's true and thats the worst part about it. I'm a huge fan of Herrera but if we're being deadly truthful would he be a regular starter for your City, Chelsea, Arsenal? I reckon he'd be a squadie for them whilst he's the best we have. It really is strange why we've never strengthened that position when we're so lack luster in there.
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This club is in denial from crushing amount success. The other teams are not blind and saw a vanity in United's domination. All they did is they used it to their own advantage with help of good old moneys.

Herrera does seem like a breakthrough in waking up to the midfield problem but that needs to be proven with further moves in that vein... perhaps even more ambitious.
 
70k. So when he falls further down the pick of midfielders, who is going to pay him that when we try to sell him on? To us that isn't much, but to the majority of Prem teams that's towards the higher end of their wage structures.
 
Happy with that Cleverley news. He's a good option to have here and even if he isn't starting every single game he is a useful squad player. Clearing the deadwood is important too so it's key that we get rid of the likes of Anderson and Fellaini. Cleverley has looked better under LvG. It's a shame he was ill yesterday. He'd have been a better option to bring on than Fellaini.
 
LR7 said:
Happy with that Cleverley news. He's a good option to have here and even if he isn't starting every single game he is a useful squad player. Clearing the deadwood is important too so it's key that we get rid of the likes of Anderson and Fellaini. Cleverley has looked better under LvG. It's a shame he was ill yesterday. He'd have been a better option to bring on than Fellaini.
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No harm giving him a new deal because we are so short in midfield but I don't agree with giving him a pay rise and a long contract because he doesn't deserve it, we are just rewarding mediocrity. Give him a 2 year extension on the same money and if he improves give him a better deal, he is on the verge of being deadwood already and another year or two playing as he has been and he will be another highly paid player we can't get rid of.
 
Devil may care said:
I guess it secures him so we wont lose him for nothing.
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Who besides United would give him those wages? What kind of wages does he demand away from United? If other clubs won't give him 70k a week, there is no point in United giving him those wages. Tom has been linked with Everton and Barkley, a youth player with more hype and promise, is on 60k a week.
 
A run of the mill one, championship material, a new deal would be laughable.

Gibson was far better than him
 
What the feck has he done to deserve a contract extension and a pay rise? It's moves like this why we are in the shit we find ourselves in. Unbelievable!
 
Doesn't provide anything special, he can just keep possession by passing to the nearest player and his defending is somewhat poor despite a couple of interceptions he's made in his 2 years in the first squad. I wonder if he's played in the wrong position though. His crossing isn't too bad and he's got considerable pace. I don't know if he can be played in a 4-3-3 formation as a winger or an attacking midfielder though.
 
He doesn't deserve any contract extension whatsoever. We're trying to get rid of the deadwood, and this is how we do it? Our backroom staff is so shortsighted, it's not funny.
 
I admit, I haven't been his greatest fan, but a new contract, after his performances over the last two years, is quite simply taking the piss. We need to get rid of the dead wood, else we will never improve.
 
Another player we might be stuck with for a few years because we handed him a contract despite poor performances.

Obviously would love for him to step it up but haven't seen the signs of that for awhile.
 
In Rainbows said:
Who besides United would give him those wages? What kind of wages does he demand away from United? If other clubs won't give him 70k a week, there is no point in United giving him those wages. Tom has been linked with Everton and Barkley, a youth player with more hype and promise, is on 60k a week.
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I stand corrected, I didn't actually read the article so I didn't know they are saying we'd actually be upping his money, that would be ludicrous for a player that has done nothing to earn an improved deal.
 
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