Tom Cleverley | 2014/15 Performances (on loan at Aston Villa)

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Seems legit. And seems like a fair deal. Good luck to the boy, I hope he does well for 'em.

Now, as far as United is concerned, we need to bring someone in - and sharpish.
 
I'm conflicted on this on one hand I still genuinely feel with a bit of confidence he could easily be our Ramsey or Henderson, that may be blind faith but I guess now we'll never know...on the other hand him going must surely mean a better player will come in otherwise we really are leaving ourselves short
 
Nytram Shakes said:
its not just about marking about simply keeping up with the tempo of the game, im not trying to paint cleverly as this world class star, im simply saying beyond herrera he is the only CM we have who can deal with a high tempo game
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Carrick has effectively dealt with many high tempo games since he signed. You're forgetting that almost every game in this league is played at a high tempo. Essentially you're saying Carrick has been ineffective in a league where high tempo games are always expected. What about Anderson? He's more mobile than Cleverly no? My point here is Cleverley offers nothing, even his ability to 'keep up' with the tempo as you say, did nothing for him as he's only had exactly two exceptional games since he broke into the team, against City in the Community shield in '12 and against Aston Villa last season in an easy 3-0 win away where he actually even scored.
 
iBoss said:
They just sold Long for £12 million.
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Im asking you a question (no sarcasm etc).

I often wonder how much Welbeck's worth myself. He's got pace and he's fairly gifted but his finishing is appalling. It would be very difficult to get good money for him hence why I disagree in selling him
 
charlenefan said:
I'm conflicted on this on one hand I still genuinely feel with a bit of confidence he could easily be our Ramsey or Henderson, that may be blind faith but I guess now we'll never know...on the other hand him going must surely mean a better player will come in otherwise we really are leaving ourselves short
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the guy had his chance and United were very patient with him. His confidence is a wreck and the staff has lost faith in him. Its better for both sides for him to leave
 
devilish said:
Im asking you a question (no sarcasm etc).

I often wonder how much Welbeck's worth myself. He's got pace and he's fairly gifted but his finishing is appalling. It would be very difficult to get good money for him hence why I disagree in selling him
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Welbeck's worth 15-20m, at least. If he goes for lower than that I'll be annoyed.
 
If we get £9 million Cleverley we have done pretty well. He is not good enough for us but I think he will be great at a team like Aston Villa.

He has had a lot of stick during his time here so I really hope he excels at Villa. Good luck to him.
 
noodlehair said:
This smacks of selling to balance the books rather than selling because he's surplus or wants out, which is an out of order way to treat a player less than a month into a season with a new manager, imo.

He's had a poor couple of years, but he's a versatile player in an area of the pitch we nearly always find ourselves short of numbers. There's certainly players we could afford to lose ahead of him...the only logic to it is they're not players we'd get £9m for.

He'd do well at a place like Villa I reckon, while we'd probably end up playing against him and seeing our midfield look as non existent as it did with him in it.

Unless there's something I'm not seeing here, Woodward's being given far too much decision making power for someone who's a clear and utter imbecile
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In a club like united no one should have a poor couple of years in a row and still be here, it's happening with plenty of players and it's one of the reasons for our downfall. It's true that we're selling him ahead of others because he's still worth something, but that doesn't mean he deserves to stay, it's simply a case of us having offers for him and not a single offer for anderson.
 
devilish said:
Im asking you a question (no sarcasm etc).

I often wonder how much Welbeck's worth myself. He's got pace and he's fairly gifted but his finishing is appalling. It would be very difficult to get good money for him hence why I disagree in selling him
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Welbeck is worth £15 million at least. Quick, strong, tall, technically gifted. He was picked by the greatest manager of all time to play against Real Madrid back to back, replacing Rooney in the line up. If he plays up front every week and he will get 20 goals a season somewhere. Not to mention he is still young and counts as home grown. He can offer versatility and 100% commitment. Easily worth at least £15 million.

EDIT - and he is too good for Hull anyway :lol:
 
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daniel9988 said:
Welbeck's worth 15-20m, at least. If he goes for lower than that I'll be annoyed.
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As said, its going to be very difficult to get good money for him. The boy ticks all the right boxes however his finishing is almost ridiculous and a striker must be able to score goals.

Id rather keep him at OT. His pace and technique are much appreciated here
 
iBoss said:
Welbeck is worth £15 million at least. Quick, strong, tall, technically gifted. He was picked by the greatest manager of all time to play against Real Madrid back to back, replacing Rooney in the line up. If he plays up front every week and he will get 20 goals a season somewhere. Not to mention he is still young and counts as home grown. He can offer versatility and 100% commitment. Easily worth at least £15 million.

EDIT - and he is too good for Hull anyway :lol:
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Welbeck really shouldn't be sold unless he wants to leave. Then again, maybe LvG has seen something good in Wilson.
 
I kinda feel for him...in a way I'll always have a soft spot for every player that came through United's academy, but at the end of the day I think it's a win-win situation, providing ofcourse this means we're bringing in another midfielder, otherwise that just leaves us short on numbers.
I think he'll do well at Villa, although I doubt he'll hit any new hights
 
devilish said:
As said, its going to be very difficult to get good money for him. The boy ticks all the right boxes however his finishing is almost ridiculous and a striker must be able to score goals.

Id rather keep him at OT. His pace and technique are much appreciated here
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Sounds horrible but I hope we keep him as a squad player.
 
noodlehair said:
I don't think we'll be bringing anyone else in. I think he's being sold to balance the books for the money we've already spent.
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Could you honestly see him turn it around with us?
New gaffer, new staff, new everything, and he's still on the downward trajectory starting under Moyes.

Maybe I'm naïve, but I don't see the Glazers' hand in this deal at all. I see a good player needing a fresh start somewhere else, moving on as he ought to.
 
daniel9988 said:
Sounds horrible but I hope we keep him as a squad player.
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Same

And if by some miracle Welbeck does manage to improve his goalscoring record then we'll have another top quality striker in the team.
 
iBoss said:
I think anyone who has seen Wilson play has seen something good in him tbf. He looks quality. I agree though, Welbeck should stay unless he has asked to leave. I couldn't hate Welbeck for it either.
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Likewise. The lad actually has a lot of talent and doesn't shy away from standing up in a game, which can't be said about Cleverley, for example.
 
Well, i guess this means that we will be having new players arriving by the end of the week. The important thing is to see who we will sign for our midfield because these players, alongside ADM, will provide a more clear picture of LvG's plans.

As for Cleverley, i i believe it was the best decision for all parties. He always gave all he got and for that i want to thank him. It's not his fault we lacked better CM options and we played a formation (2 man midfield) which didn't help him hide or mask his weaknesses.

Unfortunately for him the modern game requires midfielders who can cover the whole pitch, carry the ball and be involved in the attacking third and also have the energy levels and dynamism to help the defense. Since we played Carrick as a holding midfielder, Tom had to do all the rest.

I think he will have a chance to revive his career at AV. More defensive set up, compact formation and enough players near him for support. For what he was expected to do at United, he could perform at 5-5,5/10. At Villa he could become a really useful player, like Gibson at Everton.
 
iBoss said:
I think anyone who has seen Wilson play has seen something good in him tbf. He looks quality. I agree though, Welbeck should stay unless he has asked to leave. I couldn't hate Welbeck for it either.
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Let me ask you this. Were you unhappy when Rooney was the one who wanted to be let go?
 
iBoss said:
I think anyone who has seen Wilson play has seen something good in him tbf. He looks quality. I agree though, Welbeck should stay unless he has asked to leave. I couldn't hate Welbeck for it either.
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Id say we should sell Hernandez and send Wilson on a loan for a year or two. By the time he comes back at United RVP would be probably either gone or ready to accept the bench.
 
Ben Davies went for 10m. After a couple of good seasons he's a player who's looked like he could go on and be even better and we've hopefully got 8-9m for someone who's stagnated.
 
MDFC Manager said:
Welbeck really shouldn't be sold unless he wants to leave. Then again, maybe LvG has seen something good in Wilson.
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Wilson or no Wilson...Hernandez most likely has one foot out the door already, RvP despite being a quality player isn't getting any younger and even apart from that he's just a very useful player. Sure he should get more in the goals department, but if we disregard that for a second he's a top player. I know we shouldn't generaly disregard his goal tally seeing as he is a striker, but surely I can't be the only one that sees what he brings to the team.
I'd definitely keep him as one of my first rotation options, or at most loan him out, whatever happens I just hope he's not sold.
 
Tom had great promise but something got inside his head after the Davies scythe to his knee and he was never the same footballer again.
 
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