Tom Cleverley | 2014/15 Performances (on loan at Aston Villa)

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Loublaze said:
Carrick is underated in this sense. He offers better protection than Cleverley and distributes the ball better as well. Cleverley can cover more ground all he wants and still be completely and utterly ineffective.
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i would agree with you carrick reads the game better and can position himself better, but he really struggles when the opposition attack either with pace or high tempo passing, he simply can't cope.

i think clverly offers at least some help when teams attack with tempo, where i think carrick dosnt
 
noodlehair said:
And yet we ended up having to play him loads of times last season due no one else being able to stay fit or play any better than him.

Meanwhile Anderson remains despite being so important he spent all of last season sitting on another team's bench.

He wouldn't be going if there wasn't a money balancing excercise going on. It's simple as.
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simple fact is no one would buy anderson,
 
shaggy said:
He's awful and a main reason why our midfield is so shite is because he features regularly. Excellent decision to sell providing we get some more players in before the window shuts.
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The main reason is him, Fallaini and Fletcher. Fellaini is better than them, but he will never be able to play to his strenghts at United, so he is just as useless.

Vidal, Herrera, Carrick, Lucas Silva and Pearson would be great. A Perfect mix of class, experience and potential.
 
Theon said:
Mata and Di Maria don't play in the same position, I know you wouldn't include him. Mata plays as a number 10 whereas Di Maria played deeper in a midfield three which is his best position.

Van Gaal and Di Maria have also indicated that he will play in midfield.
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They're still players that need midfielders behind them to do the work. Would you play Di Maria next to Carrick in a midfield 2?
 
Castia said:
Must be confident of getting a midfielder in then, surely we wouldn't let him go without a replacement, the midfield is already short in quality and numbers.
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I expect some of you are going to be seethingly disappointed on deadline day.

I wouldn't worry about midfield. As soon as we switch to 4-3-3 we're slightly fecked once either of our fullbacks gets injured...and at the moment both of them already are.
 
noodlehair said:
This smacks of selling to balance the books rather than selling because he's surplus or wants out, which is an out of order way to treat a player less than a month into a season with a new manager, imo.

He's had a poor couple of years, but he's a versatile player in an area of the pitch we nearly always find ourselves short of numbers. There's certainly players we could afford to lose ahead of him...the only logic to it is they're not players we'd get £9m for.

He'd do well at a place like Villa I reckon, while we'd probably end up playing against him and seeing our midfield look as non existent as it did with him in it.

Unless there's something I'm not seeing here, Woodward's being given far too much decision making power for someone who's a clear and utter imbecile
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Are you Cleverley's brother? Seriously, we're not missing anything letting him go. Cleverley was so poor that essentially his presence on the pitch could be equated to having a prop on a set. He'll struggle at Villa too. Mark my words.
 
Nytram Shakes said:
and carricks 33 and probably needs replaced anyway and i dont think his performances where any better then cleverlys, and at leaset cleverly is still fairly young and cover the ground.
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Fecking hell! :lol:
 
Nytram Shakes said:
id rather Fletcher go defintly, because as sad as it is isnt a premier league player anymore

and carricks 33 and probably needs replaced anyway and i dont think his performances where any better then cleverlys, and at leaset cleverly is still fairly young and cover the ground.

and we have lots of midfielders who arnt very mobile, and cleverly is one of only of two who are mobile, so i would rather see him stay
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Christ, sort out your grammar.
 
We don't need numbers this season. We need quality. We've had a big squad for years and it's about time the crap got let go. We wont miss Cleverley. We wont miss Zaha, or Nani, or anyone else that's leaving.
 
noodlehair said:
Unless there's something I'm not seeing here, Woodward's being given far too much decision making power for someone who's a clear and utter imbecile
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Eh? I'd say the fact that these transfers seem to be happening with less than a week to go in the window implies that it's LvG telling Woodward to get rid.
 
noodlehair said:
This smacks of selling to balance the books rather than selling because he's surplus or wants out, which is an out of order way to treat a player less than a month into a season with a new manager, imo.

He's had a poor couple of years, but he's a versatile player in an area of the pitch we nearly always find ourselves short of numbers. There's certainly players we could afford to lose ahead of him...the only logic to it is they're not players we'd get £9m for.

He'd do well at a place like Villa I reckon, while we'd probably end up playing against him and seeing our midfield look as non existent as it did with him in it.

Unless there's something I'm not seeing here, Woodward's being given far too much decision making power for someone who's a clear and utter imbecile
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Final year of his contract... His "advisers" have supposedly told the press he is happy to see out his contract to leave on a free
So 9 million quid is good business imo for a player unlikely to play many games then go for nothing
 
Nytram Shakes said:
i would agree with you carrick reads the game better and can position himself better, but he really struggles when the opposition attack either with pace or high tempo passing, he simply can't cope.

i think clverly offers at least some help when teams attack with tempo, where i think carrick dosnt
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How does he achieve this? Cleverley is the worst marker of a player i've seen at this club in years. He tracked players like a 12 year old, it was very embarrassing.
 
Good deal. He'll do alright at Villa. Nice fee for us and it creates a squad space for someone better.
 
noodlehair said:
And yet we ended up having to play him loads of times last season due no one else being able to stay fit or play any better than him.

Meanwhile Anderson remains despite being so important he spent all of last season sitting on another team's bench.

He wouldn't be going if there wasn't a money balancing excercise going on. It's simple as.
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You're right partly, in that keeping Cleverley would either mean he would have been out of contract next season OR we'd have to give him a new contract. Neither makes any sense, financially or for the team benefit.
 
Blue always red said:
For a midfielder who has been rated by all his managers and was 1st choice in a title winning season? Yeah, I agree it is far too little.
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Rated? I think it's fair to say our limited options helped him get regular game time.

I think it's telling that its a club like Villa who are in for him - he just simply isn't good enough for a top 6 side.

This would be a good deal with a year left on his contract.
 
Loublaze said:
How does he achieve this? Cleverley is the worst marker of a player i've seen at this club in years. He tracked players like a 12 year old, it was very embarrassing.
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its not just about marking about simply keeping up with the tempo of the game, im not trying to paint cleverly as this world class star, im simply saying beyond herrera he is the only CM we have who can deal with a high tempo game
 
.Rossi said:
Haha 9million???

This is a wind up. . It has to be.

No one is that stupid
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A trace of dignity may be in order. Cleverely has devoted well over half his life to United and is still a capable player with the ability to do a good job at Villa.
 
revel911 said:
Why you not want Blind if you got Vidal? His versatility is key. Say Herrera or Vidal gets hurt .... who do you play? Blind fits perfectly into so many positions.
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I agree that he'd be great versatility wise but he'd cost about 20 million,which is a lot for a player that won't play first team. We'd still have Carrick and Flech who granted aren't good enough for the first team but I think they're more than capable back ups...I'd rather we spent the money on a defender
 
revel911 said:
Why you not want Blind if you got Vidal? His versatility is key. Say Herrera or Vidal gets hurt .... who do you play? Blind fits perfectly into so many positions.
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Because he's average and ultimately a squad player - what we're trying to get rid at the moment. Fletcher and Carrick are going nowhere, so that's pretty much covered for CM backup options.
 
I think that replacing Cleverley with Vidal would be a step up for us.
 
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