Apparently he's closed his Twitter account today because of the abuse he receives on it.
Tom Cleverley | 2012-14 Performances
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Remember when we thought Cleverley and Anderson will keep Carrick out of the team?
edit: His twitter account is no more. That's sad
edit: His twitter account is no more. That's sad
That's a shame, but there will always be idiots on social media as there are on forums sometimes. I just get the impression that any youngster that comes through our ranks is going to be compared to the Class of 92. At the time it was a blessing, now it is a curse for everyone. These poor lads are always getting hailed as the next Beckham/Giggs/Scholes after one decent showing in the reserves. They play one game and people want them in the first team. Just let them progress without flinging these millstones round their neck. Unfortunately 1992 was a completely freak year that might never be seen again. United seem to hold onto players in the desperation that it might have happened again, when in truth some are just not good enough. If some players are just meant to be squad players, then that is the way it is meant to be.
Reminds me of Gibson all over again. At the beginning people thought he was promising, until they realized he wasn't actually that young and that good even, just plain average. Gibson opens a twitter account then closes it shortly after. Can see Cleverley leaving this summer too.
Obviously fans will always be idiots and say stupid stuff to players online but its part of the package now. Players need to learn how to ignore it and cope with it, because after all, they're the ones being paid millions to play for the club whereas the people criticizing them are sitting behind a keyboard wishing they were in the players' shoes. Caving in to the pressure and closing your twitter account or something of the like just makes it seem like you are a bit soft really, and can't handle much pressure or can't take some criticism. That's the way I see it at least.
He'll play today and we'll do better than we have in recent weeks.
Remember when we thought Cleverley and Anderson will keep Carrick out of the team?
edit: His twitter account is no more. That's sad
I think it's a good thing. Players need to keep out of this whole social media thing more.
Very true.
What is the point of even somewhat technical CM players like Cleverley if he is going to be used a a holding type player. Why not then go for players like Wanyama or Tiote who wouldn't add anything to our attacking play but, certainly could at least probably better as defensive players.
I've been as disappointed in Cleverley this season as many have but, if what he says is true, that he is following the instruction from the manager/staff - even half so, then I should be praising him to high heaven for being able to carry out at least the managers instruction. It would be nice to see him go out there and told to play along side the attackers and work those short passes to open up defenses.
I've been as disappointed in Cleverley this season as many have but, if what he says is true, that he is following the instruction from the manager/staff - even half so, then I should be praising him to high heaven for being able to carry out at least the managers instruction. It would be nice to see him go out there and told to play along side the attackers and work those short passes to open up defenses.
I see where you're coming from, and I do think Cleverley, who is a limited footballer in my opinion, would be best utilised in and around the box in an intricate passing game. Sadly this is not Moyes' game plan.
I just re-read the Cleverley article and at no point does he say he's been asked to play as a holding midfielder.
For an article full of quotes it's odd that they wouldn't include that particular one. I'm inclined to think that's the journalist putting his own interpretation of events down, rather Cleverley explaining what his brief is.
For an article full of quotes it's odd that they wouldn't include that particular one. I'm inclined to think that's the journalist putting his own interpretation of events down, rather Cleverley explaining what his brief is.
You are right - just re-read the story on Sky that referenced the Mirror interview and the journo saying the following, not Cleverley:
Still begs the question though what does Moyes brief him as his role in games. He isn't often getting involved in and around the box but, his goal against West Ham showed how having him play in that manner can lead to goals/opportunities. Maybe we could rely a little less on our fullbacks getting forward and letting the likes of Cleverley, Fletcher get involved in the middle of the park with the likes of Rooney, Mata and RVP to make things happen without necessarily going wide. The wing players would still be an option should our probing in the center not manufacture any openings.
Is it really a lack of Cleverley's ability or the style, would spending more money on the names people are clamoring for really have an effect, if they too go with the brief of minding the back because our fullbacks are far forward most of the time?
Not that I have any great sympathy for high-profile people who do set up social media accounts, it's quite sad that people sit behind screens and 'abuse' people they don't even know.
I honestly think there's very little difference between the way players are asked to play under moyes and recent seasons under Fergie. Almost identical tactics, executed atrociously by players who are completely devoid of confidence.
In a way that reflects worse on moyes than if he did have us playing differently. He needs to have a bit more confidence in his own ideas and forget about the way we played under Fergie. I can sort of understand the "if it ain't broke" mentality at the beginning of the season but if it wasn't broke then it sure is now!
In a way that reflects worse on moyes than if he did have us playing differently. He needs to have a bit more confidence in his own ideas and forget about the way we played under Fergie. I can sort of understand the "if it ain't broke" mentality at the beginning of the season but if it wasn't broke then it sure is now!
Im losing confidence he actually has any ideas of his own about how we should play. Purely on the basis that, if he did, he has had so many opportunities to try them out. Its not like what we are doing now is working very well.
I wouldn't go that far but it is a concern. Everton were at least hard to score against under Moyes. That's the last thing you'd say about us these days.
Him deleting his Twitter account just highlights a weakness. Surely, anyone in the public eye who think a Twitter account is going to be plain sailing is just short sighted. Yes, it's pathetic that he gets abuse and threats but that's all they are. He needs to knuckle down and prove the trolls wrong.
I guess most of this was over his scapegoat interview.
I guess most of this was over his scapegoat interview.
If any footballer is planning on knuckling down and working hard on his game, I'd say that deleting his twitter account is a good way to start.
Anyone who's planning on doing any work would be well advised to, if not delete his redcafe account, certainly steer well clear of it. If I look just once in the morning you can reasonably predict I'll get around 50% less work done that day.
Well maybe that's why I differ from TC as the abuse would just drive me on to improve, and I'd keep my account open to show that I'm in no way affected by it.
I guess we are all brought up different.
Your upbringing would make you reluctant to delete your twitter account? Can't say mine would have any bearing, one way or another.
Apart from me thinking the combination of twitter and football is one of the worst things on the internet ever.
Apart from me thinking the combination of twitter and football is one of the worst things on the internet ever.
No matter what TC would do you would find a way to use it as a way to criticise him.
He's an average player. Sorry but average players at clubs like ours with aspiration will get criticised. This isn't junior school sports day where all that matters is giving it a go. People don't criticise Cleverley because he farts in bed, leaves crumbs on the side or never replaces the batteries in the remote. It's not personal.
I have no problems with him deleting his twitter. Hopefully he also deletes the Spanish football matches if all hes getting from it is that they are passing the ball sideways to keep it so the opposition don't score.
Poor old TC. I'm sure he gives a flying f**k what gets mentioned on here. I'm mearly expressing my opinion, much like you may well do on here. Get over it!
Where did he say that?
It's poor that idiots with abuses forced him off it but the end result is good anyways. Needless distraction.
Is this thread about Welbeck?
People like Cleverley must realise this "risk" of opening a Twitter. I'd imagine you have to be quite thick skinned as a footballer or celebrity to have an account. As bad as it is you're always going to get the abuse. Even when you see top players like Rooney, Ronaldo, Messi etc they get abuse so if you're a Cleverley it's bound to happen.
I don't think it's fair on him getting abuse, he doesn't ask to play every week he gets picked and tries his best but unfortunately it tends to not be that good and therefore people will get frustrated especially when the team isn't doing that well. I don't think he's nearly of the quality to play for United, it's nice to have players come through the academy but not when they're not good enough and are potentially taking the place of someone who would be able to improve the team.
I always maintain he got to much to soon and let it go to his head. He tried making himself a "brand" as soon as he played a game at United. The TC23 bollocks and all this was just silly, he hadn't even made it yet...infact I'd argue he still hasn't really.
I don't think it's fair on him getting abuse, he doesn't ask to play every week he gets picked and tries his best but unfortunately it tends to not be that good and therefore people will get frustrated especially when the team isn't doing that well. I don't think he's nearly of the quality to play for United, it's nice to have players come through the academy but not when they're not good enough and are potentially taking the place of someone who would be able to improve the team.
I always maintain he got to much to soon and let it go to his head. He tried making himself a "brand" as soon as he played a game at United. The TC23 bollocks and all this was just silly, he hadn't even made it yet...infact I'd argue he still hasn't really.
That last para is why it is kind of fair he gets abuse. As fair as abusing someone can be, that is.
Sad that our own fans have abused our own player on twitter to that extent. A youth player too and a fan of the club.
We do it to a lot of them. There were notes from Sir Alex in the matchday programme after we sold Kieran Richardson that one of the reasons we felt it was time to move him on was the lack of support from fans. Gibson, Cleverley, there will be more. Not sure it'll happen to the foreign names though
People should be ashamed of themselves for it. Opposition fans give our players enough stick without our own fans damaging their confidence too. Pathetic behaviour. Even if you want to use twitter to air your opinions of a player you can do it without @'ing them in the tweet, seriously what does it achieve?
It's all to do with being a big man mate. For some reason, people on Twitter have decided that unless you tag the person your tweet is aimed at, you're a shit bag and its classed as an indirect tweet. 'Cleverly' is trending again tonight. Shame they cannot spell his name.
Why why why?
It's like playing with 10 men
I do sigh a little every time he gets the ball. It's either a safe pass or he gets tackled, almost never anything more than that.
You are saying this like it's a new thing. He's not going to become good just because he gave an interview you know.
He's done ok upto now. Not great, not bad just ok. He needs a confidence boost.
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