As well as tackles from behind and/or Kevin Davies...
Tom Cleverley | 2012-14 Performances
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As well as tackles from behind and/or Kevin Davies...
I was referring to the game at the Etihad where City walked all over our weak midfield, not the 6-1 at Old Trafford. It was a general point about requiring a dominant player in the centre who bosses game after game. Cleverley although promising will not be that player so we shouldn't be relying on him. I'm not underrating him...he is what he is...a promising midfielder noithing more. I'm not going over old ground with him and Anderson they have a lot to learn about playing together at the highest level, this season might well offer the best insight into that progression.
Yeah but I don't think it's fair to judge in that game. We played both park in a central role which was a bad decision and messed us up and played giggs out wide which took away a real out ball for the midfield. Carrick was excellent in that game, scholes did alright but they had nothing ahead of them to work with. Ideally we wouldn't have played scholes there and having a partner like clev with all the energy to fpbe able to track people and get stuck in as well as to get us out of trouble. Add kagawa for park and you've got a big threat for us, one which wouldn't allow the likes if Barry and toure to punch up so high. They had no reason to worry about park where as I doubt they'd want to leave kagawa in space.
I wouldn't be concerned if we could play carrick clev and kagawa on a regular basis. I think we need an alternative to carrick in the middle but in terms of what we have as a regular 11 it looks good IMO.
I can't remember much about it but didn't we play them in the cup at theirs and we were far better then them. We were slack and it almost cost us but we really should have whooped their ass.
He's a wonderful prospect. He really is.
Found this on YouTube. 5:42 and 6:07.
Difficult not to draw comparisons with Xavi there. Obviously not as good, but that was so similar to the sort of thing Xavi provides, if not a bit more advanced in his role at times.
Think it's fair to say that Cleverley was serious when he said he'd been watching him a lot. Really hope he continues in this vein and makes it here.
Hopefully he can steer clear of agent inspired crap and too much celeb bullshit because the potential is certainly there for a cracking player.
It's just all about staying injury free for him really. It's clear by now he has what it takes to play for us.
I think him and Kagawa infront of Carrick could be great.
I think him and Kagawa infront of Carrick could be great.
Also pretty clear that he's been keepin an awfully close eye on Paul Scholes in training.
I think the biggest hurdle sometimes is winning the trust of the supporters, your team mates and the management. When you've got that, you've made it. Now it's up to him to to progress. To stay fit and add goals to his game.
This is the good side of the game. We could buy any top midfielder tomorrow but the fact is, Toms performances are a reminder we have talent here. Given the opportunity, we have potentially a great batch coming through and a real English backbone.
Delighted.
This is the good side of the game. We could buy any top midfielder tomorrow but the fact is, Toms performances are a reminder we have talent here. Given the opportunity, we have potentially a great batch coming through and a real English backbone.
Delighted.
Dont think he's much like Xavi. Doesnt have the same kind of passing range as some other young midfielders let alone him. He's one of many midfielders who passes the ball and then moves, rather than playing breathtaking passes like the passmasters out there. Gives it, goes and takes up good positions to receive the ball.
Is he our natural successor to Paul Scholes? He's quite brilliant, isn't he? Good passing range, movement, first touch and awareness, only thing lacking is goals which hopefully will come as he matures. Give him a year or two and hope he takes some 30-40 yard passing lessions from the passmaster himself, we'll have our own playmaker (trying hard not to hype him up!)
I can't see him playing scholes current role, at least not in the same way that Scholes does at least. Cleverly is lacking in long passing, something that is a key part to how scholes plays these days. Not to say that clevery can't develop this as he gets older. He just doesn't have that skill at the moment.
Cleverly for me needs to be played higher up the park than scholes anyway (talking about current roles). He is best with short pass and move football, and I think a more defensive partner sitting behind him and giving him the freedom to push forward and move about into the spaces.
You don't need to be playing 40 yard passes to be a playmaker. Besides, our 'playmaker' role has always been to give the ball to the wingers. Whether that is through 30 yard passes (Scholes) or through quick interplay (Cleverley), that doesn't matter.
If we wanted a 30 yard pass master then we've just seen a potentially great one leave in Paul Pogba.
If we wanted a 30 yard pass master then we've just seen a potentially great one leave in Paul Pogba.
True, cleverly can replace scholes in that role. Though I wouldn't consider taking a short interplaying players to replace a long pass style of midfielder as that player then being the others successor.
I would think when talking about successors you would be talking about like players that don't require any slight tweeks to the teams play style. Though it really depends on how you look at it.
Well you don't need to swap like for like. Scholes as he is now isn't the same ad scholes ten years ago but still he's the creative hub in the middle. Cleverly can do that in a different way. And you can add the pass to your game if you're willing to put in the effort, it comes with practise.
If Cleverley works as hard off the pitch as he does on it, he can improve a lot on his current game
And how do you know that he doesn't work hard off the pitch?
By all accounts he's an extremely driven individual and a superb trainer so i havn't a clue what you're on about, unless you actually know him personally.
That is a superb compilation, really is. He gave the ball away ONE time, and always looks to build the move. Very adept at finding space, great awareness, and so decisive on the ball. Also like how easy he finds the attackers through the middle. Great at threading passes through the midfield.
I really like the look of him as the deeper CM, he helps our defense a lot when trying to play us out.
I really like the look of him as the deeper CM, he helps our defense a lot when trying to play us out.
Only thing I'm worried about him is injuries because having him fit for a whole season should have a big impact on us.
I was thinking more early Keane actually.
I think you misunderstood him. I read it as a compliment to Cleverley.
I never knew about this interview:
So, my favourite United player then. Go Cleverley!
Strange question.
Yup. I always want him in the side for those reasons.
I know noone puts him up as a top top prospect but I can see him becoming a top player if he keeps striving to improve. He's a central midfielder who thinks faster than most footballers I've seen and an excellent passer. Those are two fantastic tools to work with in that position. If he can work on his defensive discipline and/or goal threat, he'll be some player.
Only had time to skim through the game but he looked like our best player from what I could tell.
He seems to bring Rooney into the game a lot more too. Or rather it's usually Rooney who plays Cleverley into space with short give and go moves, but either way it's good to see us playing like that again, even if it is just a pre season game.
Kagawa seemed to struggle with playing CM more in the second half when the game became stretched, while it didn't seem to affect Cleverley's performance nearly as much. It'll be hard to leave either ut next Monday though. Cleverley's last few performances and Kagawa's in general have been miles ahead of anyone else in our squad during pre-season, barring maybe Scholes.
He seems to bring Rooney into the game a lot more too. Or rather it's usually Rooney who plays Cleverley into space with short give and go moves, but either way it's good to see us playing like that again, even if it is just a pre season game.
Kagawa seemed to struggle with playing CM more in the second half when the game became stretched, while it didn't seem to affect Cleverley's performance nearly as much. It'll be hard to leave either ut next Monday though. Cleverley's last few performances and Kagawa's in general have been miles ahead of anyone else in our squad during pre-season, barring maybe Scholes.
I love him. It's almost embarrassing, but he's already almost my favourite United player, and without a doubt the one I hope makes it most. I see Tom as being the missing link for our team, and I'm sorta glad we didn't buy a Modric or the likes to keep him out of the team.
Love him too. Such a classy player. If he and Carrick can stay fit for the season, we'll do great things.
I reckon he'll look even more special once he plays a few more games with Kagawa and Welbeck.
Yeah, those three with Cleverley in midfield and Kagawaw in behind Welbeck could be hugely entertaining to watch.
He does look promising. We will know a lot more about him if he stays fit this season.
Way more promising than Ando that's for sure!
Way more promising than Ando that's for sure!
Unfair as well. Anderson looked awesome when he come on last night. Great assist, and involved in a lot of play.
Both of these two have me very hopeful of the upcoming season. IF everyone stays fit we have an awesome midfield.
Yeah, Xavi's passing is in another league altogether. Probably just getting carried away with how impressive his movement's becoming, but there were just little things - little mannerisms perhaps - that made me think of him. I don't think he'll ever be at that level, but it's fantastic that he's modelling his game on players like him.
This might be just the beer talking, but i feel that the worse he performs for country, the better he can be for us. Our style of play is just so different to that of GBR and England. We encourage moving the ball around and playing dynamic football, whereas when i watched him play in the Olympics, it was like me playing FIFA, wandering around aimlessly hoping someone would pass to me. The games were so static that it was no surprise that Joe Allen outshone him since GBR were chasing possession most of the time.
I didn't think Joe Allen outshone him at all. He was by far GB's best player in the last two games.
Also, if England start using the likes of him, Wilshere, Rodwell, etc. more in the future, the playing style will take care of itself. Sooner or later England managers will run out of semi retired deadweights to put ahead of them.
Also, if England start using the likes of him, Wilshere, Rodwell, etc. more in the future, the playing style will take care of itself. Sooner or later England managers will run out of semi retired deadweights to put ahead of them.
In terms of him reminding people of Xavi, it's not anyone (I hope) saying he's anywhere near that yet, but more he looks like him on the pitch in the simple things he does. The way he takes his first touch and turns at the same time. He passes and immediately moves forward ten yards to make the next little triangle, if he gets a bit of space he'll run into it and lay the ball off at the last possible second making space for others.
Please just leave the Xavi comparisons alone. There are shitloads of good midfielders who do what you have just mentioned.
Xavi is one of the greatest midfielders of all time, a completely different level to what Tom Cleverley is and will be in the future. He's a promising midfielder who has a big season ahead of him. Cut the hype it's just unnecessary.
I partly agree with you here. I think he's got the potential to be a very good player but he's not going to be as good as Xavi and drawing comparisons to him is hardly going to help either.
So what, you shouldn't say that certain things he does reminds you of a certain player?? Wise up dude. What pressure is being heaped on him from the small bit of praise I gave him. Read the comment instead of seeing the name Xavi and assuming something that wasn't there.
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