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Tom Cleverley | 2011/12 Performances
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feck, was really hoping he would be ready for the game this weekend.
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Rafael is back in training, I believe, so they seem to be saying that Cleverley is back as well. Or maybe they're pulling that out of their rears.
Rafael is back in training, I believe, so they seem to be saying that Cleverley is back as well. Or maybe they're pulling that out of their rears.
How has he been ruled out? I dont get it.
Already answered (#2758). Although physically fit he will hardly be match fit.
That doesn't rule him out though. He can be on the bench. I'm not saying I expected him to start. Just find it odd that people are making it out as if he won't play at all. It's possible that he won't but then it's also possible that he will play. When Vidic is physically fit, he's put right back into the team. No one asks anything about match fitness.
Although, Vidic is obviously more experienced than Cleverley and this is a huge match. Still and yet, I think Cleverley could play in some capacity. One thing's for sure, he definitely has the temperament to play.
Although, Vidic is obviously more experienced than Cleverley and this is a huge match. Still and yet, I think Cleverley could play in some capacity. One thing's for sure, he definitely has the temperament to play.
No one is saying it's impossible. However, it's not very likely. I did say he could at best be on the bench in my previous post. Vidic did play for his country after his lay-off without having a played a game since his injury. SAF never considered him for the Liverpool game due to his lay-off.
Would like to see Cleverly play some part assuming he travelled. Really need to get him back in the mix as soon as possible. Maybe City will prove to soon for him even if he gets some mins against Galati but we really need his vibrancy and urgency back in the side.
He didn't travel
Not overly confident about the city game really. We haven't looked nearly as good since Cleverley went out which isnt good.
was hoping to see him in action today, even for 20-30 minutes, just to get him ready for the citeh game.
agree with giggs-beckham, we are missing cleverley at this moment of time.
Very true, he has a good invention and tact, he gives us an extra dimension
Is Cleverley likely to be considered for the bench this weekend?
I find it a little cringeworthy that after only 3 league games everyone is pinning all their hopes on Cleverley and he's the reason why the early season hammerings have stopped
Can you imagine if it was Liverpool pinning all their hopes on a player who's played less than 5 games....
Can you imagine if it was Liverpool pinning all their hopes on a player who's played less than 5 games....
I don't think anyone is really "Pinning their hopes" on him. He's an exciting young player, nowt wrong with wanting him back in the team.
I find it a little cringeworthy that after only 3 league games everyone is pinning all their hopes on Cleverley and he's the reason why the early season hammerings have stopped
Can you imagine if it was Liverpool pinning all their hopes on a player who's played less than 5 games....
Who's doing what you claim?
Christ! It's normal that fans will be excited about a promising young player. I've got a great deal more respect for that than indiscriminate ***ping over unknowns in the transfer forum.
Charlene is overreacting but there were a lot of people hoping he would come back for the Liverpool and City gamed as he'd be the savior of our midfield, just look back a few pages in the thread.
Theres good reason alot of us have put our faith in Tom though. His form in his first few games was fantastic and the partnership he formed with Anderson was very, very effective.
I think it's just enthusiasm that we've got a genuine prospect in an area that we've been relatively light for the past 5 or 6 years.
I honestly don't think the reaction to Cleverley has been massively overboard. It's just fans willing a young lad to do well.
United has always been a meritocracy under Fergie and the lad has come in and done well - fair fecks to him. I can't wait to see him back in the side. I'm just glad that he'll be coming back in alongside Anderson who's also been doing well and Carrick who's played well when called upon.
The whole "we're shite without Cleverley" theory ignores our most significant (IMO) performance of the season so far came without him in the team. Last season we were very very strong at home but very poor on the road. It was good fun destroying a woeful Arsenal side and watching Spurs roll over at OT, as usual. I don't think you can read much into those games, nor the Chelsea performance, as they were in really poor form at the time.
Spanking Bolton away was a performance that made me think we're a better side this season than last. Cleverley played a full 5 minutes of that game.
Spanking Bolton away was a performance that made me think we're a better side this season than last. Cleverley played a full 5 minutes of that game.
As per usual, there are two extreme views and not enough middle ground.
Our midfield has functioned well without Cleverley, true. But it's been heartening to see that he's settled in well and played well when given the chance.
Nowt wrong with being happy with a young player coming good.
Agreed on the Bolton performance - the Carrick bashers have air brushed that from their minds!
Its not that we're shite without him. but people perhaps miss the kind of football that we were playing at the start of the season. cleverley being injured has surely affected that. we've got decent results without him, tbh, but just that flair's been missing.
also, bolton have been very poor this season. beating them is hardly more praiseworthy than beating chelsea regardless of their form imo. we did get lucky with arsenal and spurs though. best time to face them.
Bolton have been shite this season, agreed.
To be brutally honest, we'e not played a single team on top of it's game all season. Apart from, arguably, Liverpool.
The thing is, I really rate Cleverley. I just think his influence on our season so far has been wildly over-stated. The early season form of rooney, anderson, welbeck, young and nani was a much bigger factor IMO. That and the lucky timing of our opening fixtures.
To be brutally honest, we'e not played a single team on top of it's game all season. Apart from, arguably, Liverpool.
The thing is, I really rate Cleverley. I just think his influence on our season so far has been wildly over-stated. The early season form of rooney, anderson, welbeck, young and nani was a much bigger factor IMO. That and the lucky timing of our opening fixtures.
yep. agree with that. i dont really think he's the solution to whatever problems we've had recently at all. people expecting him to come back and change everything are in for a rude shock i believe.
but then, its all pretty obvious that him and ando have a good understanding. welbeck and cleverley too. they played some wonderful brisk one touch football. that part of the game is difficult to replicate with carrick or fletch. carrick needs time on the ball to assert himself, has never really been a one touch fast pass and move player imo. thats the change for the better am hoping to see when cleverley comes back.
we did play city though in the CS and absolutely battered them. that was perhaps our toughest fixture till now i think. it isnt just a normal pre season glorified friendly when its us vs them. the pool game would have been a great watch i think had it not been for the internationals in between.
Huge praise from a guy who will know a great deal about spotting players potential.
High praise indeed. Love listening to Eric Harrison as well.
Incidentally, Cleverley is back in full training.
I don't think that's quite right. I would say that his play has been wildly over-stated. I would say his influence on the team has been MASSIVE - evidently we needed this type of player to transform all the players around - Anderson, Young, Nani, Rooney, Welbeck etc.
Better try with Chelsea. Liverpool were shocking against us as well. At some point in the middle of the fist half the passing % was in the 60's.. Both teams were poor. Chelsea game was much much better in terms of quality.
As for Cleverley he brings something to our midfield that we lack - energy and urgency. He may not be a key figure as of now, but gives us something we're lacking with Giggs/Carrick/Ando and still recovering Fletcher.
I think that's why some people think his influence/impact is being overstated. However, I think for the most part, people are just recognizing that Cleverley does bring something different to our midfield. It's not just his composure on the ball. It's the fact that he transmits that composure to those around but then also is able to get up and down the field with ease. Hence, why we formed so many passing triangles. It was beautiful.
Cleverley is essentially offering us what Park normally offers us on the wings, with the exception that he's doing it in centre midfield. This allows us to play an entire midfield lineup all very comfortable with running at pace and playing short passes to wear down our opponents.
this. we haven't played a high-pressure match since he went down. when i say high-pressure i'm not just talking about the attack. i'm talking defensively also. must get that back.
No he's not!
If that were true Cleverley could play wide midfield and we saw in Euro 1011 u21s that he can't really do that.
Cleverley's game is about much, much more than that. Nothing like Park.
He speeds up the passing and penetration of our play in giving us a mobile midfield. On his own his play is good but he's not the finished article - but it is what our team has been crying out for. A mobile central midfield player who can pass the ball first time, who has vision, and who can turn quickly, change the direction of play.
Nothing like Park!
Cleverley can't play wide midfield? Is this the first season you've ever watched him play?
Up until this season he's spent almost his entire career playing wide.
Up until this season he's spent almost his entire career playing wide.
Saw him play for Wigan and in the U21s last season and thought "this guy isn't a winger! He doesn't have the impact out there". Like many others on here we realised at the U21s that he should be playing central midfield.
He'd certainly have no impact playing on the wing for us - not the impact he has for us (& England U21s) in central midfield.
Anyway - I'm talking about THIS SEASON.
That's like saying that because Alan Smith has played all his life as a striker he should play there. Smithy can play there, sure. But since his injury he'd have no impact there. Likewise Cleverley can hold the position, but no raw pace, trickery to go past players to impact the game. He has that impact in central midfield.
Anyway the point stands - he's nothing like Park as a player.
He'd certainly have no impact playing on the wing for us - not the impact he has for us (& England U21s) in central midfield.
Anyway - I'm talking about THIS SEASON.
That's like saying that because Alan Smith has played all his life as a striker he should play there. Smithy can play there, sure. But since his injury he'd have no impact there. Likewise Cleverley can hold the position, but no raw pace, trickery to go past players to impact the game. He has that impact in central midfield.
Anyway the point stands - he's nothing like Park as a player.
He's actually quite similar to Park as a player.
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