Really mature performance.
Toby Collyer
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Better today than in all pre-season. Careful with his passing, but still quick. Promising cameo.
Really not sure why wed be looking at Amrabat anymore with Collyer being available. I still want another midfielder, but it has to be an improvement on what we already have. But this lad can get some minutes this season.
Unfortunately he came to United when he was already 18 so fails to meet the criteria for a youth player.
Yes, I thought that when I saw him being billed as academy graduate #251.
Though there was an article on the official site explaining it, where it said...
While being signed from Brighton in 2022, Collyer qualifies as an Academy graduate because United conducted a review in the summer which determined that the methodology to decide which players are deemed graduates was to change.
In 2023, the Premier League announced that Premier League 2 teams were to switch from Under-23s to Under-21s.
Therefore, Our Academy's graduate-determining criteria has been backdated to 2012, when the Premier League's Elite Player Performance Plan - the last major change to the regulation of the Academy system - was introduced.
The historic academy graduate methodology for all players signed before 1 July 2012, is as follows:
- Signed for Manchester United before turning 18
- Never played senior professional football for any other club
- Played fixtures for an academy team
For any player signed after 1 July 2012 (Introduction of EPPP and creation of PL2):
- Signed for Manchester United before turning 21
- Never played senior professional football for any other club
- Played fixtures for an academy team
How many Kylians were top level, before Mbappe? Heck, how many Lionels, before Messi?
Never heard so much dross in my life (not from you but from the club)…you can’t keep changing criteria to suit agendas. It’s so inconsistent when comparing to previous eras…If you’re 21 you are hardly a youth…that just doesn’t make sense.
He's raw as shit, but you can see the talent he's got.
He looked more comfortable on the ball against City at Wembley than he did against anyone in pre season. Encouraging.
Yeah, I agree with you. Signing a player in their 20's shouldn't count as an Academy product.
They should definitely have stuck with the signing before 18, and having played for the Academy team, criteria.
Oh yeah. Just thought of him playing for the U18s and went with that.
Really nice to see another young lad on the cusp of the first team squad. Especially pleasing that he’s athletic too - our midfield are easily bullied or run past.
Yeah promising performance. I thought that his performances improved as the pre-season went on, which is a great sign given that the quality of opposition also progressively improved.
He definitely has some really good attributes to work with from a defensive stand point and seems to have a good engine. I think his ability on the ball is going to be the biggest question and will determine how much of a factor he can be for us. Seems to mostly go for the safe option when passing and even then he had a couple of sloppy passes when he came on. But hopefully we'll see some development in that area and he could definitely be at least a decent squad player in the future, if not as early as this season.
He definitely has some really good attributes to work with from a defensive stand point and seems to have a good engine. I think his ability on the ball is going to be the biggest question and will determine how much of a factor he can be for us. Seems to mostly go for the safe option when passing and even then he had a couple of sloppy passes when he came on. But hopefully we'll see some development in that area and he could definitely be at least a decent squad player in the future, if not as early as this season.
he will be a good back up to whoever we buy as a DM
I did the same thing originally!
Was he injured?
was injured in preseason in america
He played the second half vs Liverpool and various u21 games so, no. He was injured in October.
Totally forgot he existed. Would seem to have the sort of profile Amorim would like in midfield. Wonder could he develop into someone we can trust to allow us to give Ugarte a rest when required
ahh...that was Kobbie not Collyer who was hurt in preseason in america
Yes, in 2023.
I read a gossip rumour 2 or 3 days ago that Ruud is interested in having him on loan at Leicester
Hmm, would he play? They have N'Didi, Winks and Skipp and I don't see Ruud using N'Didi as a #10 like Cooper did sometimes. If any of those 3 get hurt before January, though, seems like it might be a good loan. They also have 2 loanees already in Buonanotte and Edouard, which is the maximum?
Feels like a strong fit. Skipp and Winks is a hilariously bad combination, so so lightweight. Ndidi looks a shadow of himself too.
He lacks a physical young CM that gets stuck in with pressing and winning the ball. I think Collyer can be a good fit for Leicester.
If it's a permanent deal, sure. Long-term, Skipp and Winks fighting for one spot as the passing CM while N'Didi and Collyer compete for the ball-winner spot next to them with a plan to sell N'Didi in a year or 2 and Collyer takes over when he's 22 or so makes tons of sense, but for a relegation fight, I don't know that he'd get enough minutes to help him. Probably makes more sense for him to start 20 games in the Champo to some team suffering from injuries in their midfield, if that team exists.
We will likely need him for 1st team unless we sign a MF in Jan.
Leicester spent stupid money on Skipp. If they come in with a similar £20m for Collyer he should be sold (with a cheeky by back and sell on)
I dont think they would (potentially) prioritise Collyer as a singing of they werent fighting for relegation. He would be a straight forward low risk move with a high payoff. And if he did well in the PL wed be able to get good move for him.
Ruben will like him purely because of his workrate.
If he does get a chance to impress which I think he will do it will be down to the young man to show his qualities.
If he does get a chance to impress which I think he will do it will be down to the young man to show his qualities.
I hope he at least gets a chance under the new manager as I think he is tactically adept enough and can be physical too. Will surprise some with his passing range im sure.
Back in the squad, it seems. At least he arrived to OT with the rest of the team, so he’ll probably replace Mount.
Isn't he more an Ugarte type player?
I meant as in a midfielder replacing a midfielder in the squad.
Think it would be wise to keep him as cover. Eriksen and casemiro aren't playing much and I'm sure i read he's only bettered bu Bruno in running stats in training, so I can see Amorim using him at some point.
Time he was given a chance alongside Ugarte
Loan him out with the possibility of bringing him back if we get a lot of injuries.
He's the best midfield partner we have for Mainoo, so he shouldn't be going out on loan IMO.