Tick tock ... 5 days left till Toby cannot be sold for just 25 million.
Toby Alderweireld
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I don't think we're interested anymore, wasn't there strong links to Roma?
No one wants him.
Genuinely surprised by this.
And one year till he leaves for free. £25m for one more season with Toby? Makes £80 mill for six with Maguire look cheap.
Links, yes. No idea how strong they were. But I don't think he'd go there, to play in the EL and probably get less money than Spurs would pay him.
Does it? Have you figured in Maguire's wages to this? I'd guess they'd be something like triple Toby's current wage.
I'll be pretty surprised if he got triple what Toby is on, but £80m for Maguire is far from cheap IMO. If we do end up paying that much for Maguire, I think he'd come in on more like £200k a week.
I think it was reported that Toby wants to more than double his wages with Spurs? Somewhere in the region of £170-180k... Not many teams that will pay it despite his quality as I'm not sure there are that many teams in the market for a starting CB. At least not ones in the Champion's League of course. Although, I'm surprised there's no Barcelona link if they sell Umtiti and want to fund a Neymar return, they'll need a quality, budget defender IMO.
I reckon Spurs have offered Toby an extension somewhere in the region of £120-150k for the record. It's between a 50-100% pay raise and I'm sure he will be relatively happy to take it and stay. It'll take a similar level side offering more money for him to leave obviously, but it doesn't look like there's many interested for some reason.
No idea why, I'd love us to take this route.
Hm. That is a good point. At the same time, Maguire value is not likely to be 0 at 32 (in 6 years, he will be the same age as Jan Vertonghen). At a stretch, you could say it is 0 at 33.
£80 mill/7 years = £11,5 mill
He will probably receive a salary similar to Rashford at £200k per week. Making his salary approx £10,4 mill per year. In total per year he will then cost us £22 mill. Toby will cost you what? Somewhere between £28 mill and £30 mill? So Maguire is approx 25-35 % cheaper? I would say that is significant.
I doubt that, he's still a player with only 12 months left on his contract and you've just sold a RB with a lot longer on his contract plus who's a few years younger for 20m
I'd imagine anyone at any time during this window can pick up Alderweireld for 25m
Is Maguire going to sign a 7 year contract? That's a lot longer than usual.
We only paid around £12m for Toby, so even he leaves for nothing next year Spurs have still gotten a bargain deal over the length of his contract ... when you amortise his fee over that time and then add in his low wages.
Anyhow, it's up to Toby what he chooses to do. I don't think Spurs will be too unhappy if he decides to just stay another year and then go.
Well, maybe. But perhaps he is waiting to see if any club (one that he wants to go) triggers the auto-release before then. If they don't, then maybe he'll figure that he's not as in demand as he imagined … and suddenly a new contract at Spurs might start to look a lot more attractive. Who knows.
I understand your point of him not wanting to come here due to us not having Champions League but why do you think we would pay him less than you. When we are known for paying stupid wages?
Also I feel it would be wasted wages when he's 32-33. The time for him to come to United is gone now he's 30 and probably looking for a lot of dosh if we'd inquire. If we'd got rid of some defenders then maybe but even then age and contracts are a problem. Would rather we get someone like Maguire at the right age, couldn't give a toss about this 60m is fair but 80m obscene. Ultimately I'd rather we signed Maguire when he was voted player of the year at Hull or sign Toby 4-5 years ago but we got the Argentine dinner lady.
He's best off signing with Spurs or if he fancies a change to Italy or Spain on similar wages to what Spurs are offering on a free next year might be what happens. Perhaps this is his plan to leave on a free and wind down in mainland Europe?
He's best off signing with Spurs or if he fancies a change to Italy or Spain on similar wages to what Spurs are offering on a free next year might be what happens. Perhaps this is his plan to leave on a free and wind down in mainland Europe?
Probably 5+1. But will probably not leave for free either (it happens very rarely).
No doubt Spurs got a bargain deal when he signed. But that does not change my point. If you could sell him for £25 mill this year and he leaves for free next year the alternative cost of keeping him is close to £30 mill. And that is alot. Even compared to the Maguire-fee.
I don't mean less than what we are currently paying. I means less than what he's been offered by Spurs in a new contract - which is reported to be £130k per week. Would Roma be willing to pay more than that over a 4 year contract?
He’s a player who wants his big pay day. If not this season (he’s clearly asking for too much money), then next season on a free. He will get a massive contract, just hope it’s not from us. Good player, but not the profile we should be going after.
Thanks for clarifying.
Well, OK. But you are comparing apples with oranges when you compare the annual costs of someone with new, 6 year contract, to someone who has only 1 year left and can then leave for free.
I understand where your logic went with this but it’s flawed because Alderweireld is a far superior player to Trippier. He’s worth more to us than 25mil...even if he then leaves on a free next season. So if no ones willing to pay the clause I can’t see us selling him.
Which is the way I think it’s going to play out and I’m fine with it. Absolute top class CB - I’ll be very sad to see him go but can’t complain at all for what he’s done for the club and thankfully we’ve put some infrastructure in place to replace him when he leaves with players like Foyth and Sanchez.
Mostly I’m just surprised no one would pay 25 for him. Dortmund just payed over 30 for Hummels who looked done at times last season.
Somewhat off topic, but the reason players like Ronaldo have pitched up in Italy and others like Pogba, Modric and Marcelo have been trying to get moves there is the tax exception for workers who haven’t been resident there for the previous 2 years. Essentially they get a 50% exemption (i.e. they’re only taxed on 50% of their salary), so it becomes much cheaper for a club to pay them a competitive salary, as they’re usually negotiated as net figures.
I’ve no idea if Roma would appeal from a footballing perspective, but I reckon they could give him a comparable or better contract to the one you suggested above with the current tax breaks being offered.
The transfer fee is not an issue, there are 50 clubs that could afford that and he would improve most of them - it’s the wages, the sign off fee, the agents fee and the length of contract he’s no doubt asking for. The whole package is likely to be extremely expensive, and that’s who no one is in for him.
Firstly my logic isn't flawed simply because you disagree with it
Secondly even if Alderweireld is far superior to Trippier how's he worth more to Spurs when you already have his replacement at the club in Sanchez and or Foyth? Whereas you sell Trippier your first choice RB and now only have an equally as average player as your only remaining specialist in that position. I'd argue Spurs could afford to loose a CB given the depth they had in that position whereas RB needed improving not weakening
Maybe we could bid 15-20 mill + Rojo after the end of month. Poch would like to have Rojo and we could get a proper CB and get rid of one.
He’s the wrong age and showing signs of decline. We don’t want him
Unless you really do think Trippier is worth more than Alderweireld then yes the logic is flawed.
Trippier was very meh so replacing him with other meh options is very lateral. I think we need to improve in the fullback area but I don't think it's going to be this season.
It's poor for Spurs if they can't find anyone to pick up Alderweireld - players with their mind on new clubs or with contracts running out aren't typically the most committed or performing at their best
I guess nobody including Spurs think he is worth the wage he is demanding
I'd argue players with contracts running out usually ARE at their best because they want to show off and make that last big pay day.
Even if its true that he wouldn't play for his teammates and club, he'll play for as good a contract as he can so I don't think that will be a problem. Might change if he signs a pre-contract in January.
Probably because his agent is likely touting him for £200k a week plus. He’s after his pension fund with one last move.
suppose it depends on character - theres also politics involved as I'm sure Ole played McTominay and Fred ahead of a fit Herrera at the closing stages of last season
Herrera was decent enough until March
Mata really poor,
Jones guff,
De Gea with the uncertainty was awful
Ramsey was decent enough in periods
Rabiot was dropped/unused
Sturridge little impact
Carroll/Welbeck - suppose injuries make a difference
either way....if a player isnt committed and you are going to lose an asset in the short term it makes sense for me to sell
Bit of a misconception IMO, they aren't actively looking to sell him at all. It's just a clause in his contract that can be activated by a buyer.
They're willing to extend his contract at a considerable wage increase in real terms (£50k a week). If no club activates this £25m release clause, I assume Spurs will be very happy with that and might even be willing to negotiate an extension a bit more as the season goes on.
He might be asking for too much money and a long contract.
I'd rather keep him. I have essentially 0 concerns over his quality or character.
25mil or under is chump change in today's market. I'd rather have a world class CB even if it's just for a year.
You should do. Don’t understand why you don’t make him a decent offer. 2 year contract, double the money, job done. Everyone knows what he’s after.
Story is he was offered £140k or something, he agreed to this then didn’t sign, no idea how true it is but her would most certainly have been offered £140-£150k over probably 2 years.
Perhaps his suitor pulled out at the last mo due to another player becoming available. If I was a fan of yours, which obviously i’m not, I would be disappointed to lose him.