Toby Alderweireld

Sweech said:
Unless you really do think Trippier is worth more than Alderweireld then yes the logic is flawed.

Trippier was very meh so replacing him with other meh options is very lateral. I think we need to improve in the fullback area but I don't think it's going to be this season.
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I think a younger player with more years on his contract and plays in a position where you only have one other specialist in that position is worth more to Spurs than a CB in his thirties with 1 year left on his contract in a position where you have 2 specialists sitting on the bench waiting to replace him, yes

Again just because you disagree with that doesn't mean my logic is flawed
 
Some quotes after yesterdays game, its pretty clear to me he is wanting to go on a free next year, I think he will go back to Ajax oddly enough.

Toby -

“I've always said, I'm focused on Spurs and trying to deliver the job that I need to do.”

Quizzed on whether he expects to start the 2019-20 campaign as a Tottenham player, the Belgian added -

“Yes, that's my focus.”

TBH I would be happy with this, should it happen.
 
charlenefan said:
I think a younger player with more years on his contract and plays in a position where you only have one other specialist in that position is worth more to Spurs than a CB in his thirties with 1 year left on his contract in a position where you have 2 specialists sitting on the bench waiting to replace him, yes

Again just because you disagree with that doesn't mean my logic is flawed
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Well now you’re moving the goalposts.

You centred your whole argument around what the value of Trippier was. Plus you’re trying to be coy and skirt around the fact that Alderweireld is a world class CB and Trippier is a distinctly average player coming off the back of a below average season.

That’s a much more valid way of calculating value rather than just squad depth and contract length.

Point is unless Alderweireld’s clause gets activated I can guarantee you Levy will not be selling him for 25 or less as you suggest.
 
Sweech said:
Well now you’re moving the goalposts.

You centred your whole argument around what the value of Trippier was. Plus you’re trying to be coy and skirt around the fact that Alderweireld is a world class CB and Trippier is a distinctly average player coming off the back of a below average season.

That’s a much more valid way of calculating value rather than just squad depth and contract length.

Point is unless Alderweireld’s clause gets activated I can guarantee you Levy will not be selling him for 25 or less as you suggest.
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I'm not moving any goalposts you've just failed to understand from the get go

Spurs have sold a younger player, with longer on his contract, in a position whereby you have less cover for 20m

A CB who's a lot older, only has a year left on his contract in a position Spurs are well stacked with potential replacements will be available for 25m regardless of the 5 remaining days left on this clause (imo)
 
charlenefan said:
I'm not moving any goalposts you've just failed to understand from the get go

Spurs have sold a younger player, with longer on his contract, in a position whereby you have less cover for 20m

A CB who's a lot older, only has a year left on his contract in a position Spurs are well stacked with potential replacements will be available for 25m regardless of the 5 remaining days left on this clause (imo)
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We want to keep Toby. We didn't want to keep Trippier. It's not rocket science really.
 
BarcaSpurs said:
We want to keep Toby. We didn't want to keep Trippier. It's not rocket science really.
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Well we'll see won't we if you have an offer after this clause expires. I expect though if no offer comes in now then one won't come in at all
 
It's surprising no club is interested in him. He proved last year that his injury issues were behind him. He is still quality and will remain so for a few more years.
 
AgentP said:
It's surprising no club is interested in him. He proved last year that his injury issues were behind him. He is still quality and will remain so for a few more years.
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It is in both the player's and other clubs' best interest to just negotiate a pre-contract in January.

At his age, Alderweireld is unlikely to get more than a three year deal and at the end of his deal will have no resale value. So lets say he wants 200K per week to sign this summer (about 10M per year) in wages. If you sign him now to that contract after paying the 25M transfer fee, you are paying 55M over three years for a player that will have no value at the end of the deal.

Much better to offer him 250K per week in January (13M per year) and pay 39M over the length of the three year contract. Both the player and the buying club are much better off in this scenario, only Spurs loses.
 
AgentP said:
It's surprising no club is interested in him. He proved last year that his injury issues were behind him. He is still quality and will remain so for a few more years.
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I think plenty of clubs have contacted Toby’s agent, I just don’t think Toby or his agent feel the offer was enough, Toby waiting till next year and cash in.
 
charlenefan said:
Well we'll see won't we if you have an offer after this clause expires. I expect though if no offer comes in now then one won't come in at all
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:lol: Brilliant attempt to cover yourself there for when he's never sold. :lol:
 
charlenefan said:
Well it's not like you can prove any different yourself
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I’m saying he’s 100% not being sold by our volition with zero added maybes and ifs. I’m not trying to cover for being wrong which is quite different.
 
Sweech said:
I’m saying he’s 100% not being sold by our volition with zero added maybes and ifs. I’m not trying to cover for being wrong which is quite different.
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And you'll never be able to prove he 100% wont be sold if no offers ever come in can you?
 
charlenefan said:
And you'll never be able to prove he 100% wont be sold if no offers ever come in can you?
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Do you really think, that clubs haven't spoken to Toby's agent regarding what sort of contract he is looking for, and indeed probably had contract offers made to him, Toby IMO has simply rejected them as he knows he will get more next season. In a world where we are talking about £80-£90M for Maguire of course clubs would have wanted Toby for £25M, that's less that what Mings went for.
 
InLevyITrust said:
Do you really think, that clubs haven't spoken to Toby's agent regarding what sort of contract he is looking for, and indeed probably had contract offers made to him, Toby IMO has simply rejected them as he knows he will get more next season. In a world where we are talking about £80-£90M for Maguire of course clubs would have wanted Toby for £25M, that's less that what Mings went for.
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I expect you're right and no one will pay up this summer, too many incentives for both other clubs and the player to sit out the final year but that's not what me and the other Spurs fan are discussing. He's under the impression that a 25m bid wouldn't be accepted by Spurs should it come in after the clause in the contract expires.
 
InLevyITrust said:
What the feck would they chase Maguire for to turn to Toby? Very strange. Leicester don’t wamna sell so this would be music to their ears.
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Just an added bit of pressure on Leicester and Maguire. If Leicester want to sell, doubtful admittedly, but possible, or Harry really wants to come here, then we are just upping the ante to see if anyone rises.
 
George The Best said:
Just an added bit of pressure on Leicester and Maguire. If Leicester want to sell, doubtful admittedly, but possible, or Harry really wants to come here, then we are just upping the ante to see if anyone rises.
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They clearly don’t wanna sell, and Maguire I don’t think will do much to force anything a year into a new contract.
 
You'd be crazy not to go for Toby over Maguire.

At £25m he's a straight up bargain.
 
InLevyITrust said:
What the feck would they chase Maguire for to turn to Toby? Very strange. Leicester don’t wamna sell so this would be music to their ears.
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They face going into the season with their best CB unsettled and angling for a move. Not the best case scenario if Maguire felt United offered a fair fee for himself.
 
Moshe Dayan said:
You'd be crazy not to go for Toby over Maguire.

At £25m he's a straight up bargain.
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He’s not.

Let’s just say he’s demanding £250k pow on wages. Over 3 years that’s £39m. Add in a chunky agent fee, which could be £5m, add in a sign on fee (which he would demand as a relatively small transfer fee), again let’s say this is £5m.

So that’s nearly £75m for 3 years.

Is that a bargain?

There’s a reason no one has gone near him this summer, and it’s not the transfer fee or that he’s a good player - but he’s clearly asking for too much money.
 
Kostov said:
They face going into the season with their best CB unsettled and angling for a move. Not the best case scenario if Maguire felt United offered a fair fee for himself.
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Maguire hasn't said a word publically as far as I am aware, what is the difference with them keeping Maguire and you keeping Pogba?

Truth of the matter is when the window closes both players will simply get on with it.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
He’s not.

Let’s just say he’s demanding £250k pow on wages. Over 3 years that’s £39m. Add in a chunky agent fee, which could be £5m, add in a sign on fee (which he would demand as a relatively small transfer fee), again let’s say this is £5m.

So that’s nearly £75m for 3 years.

Is that a bargain?

There’s a reason no one has gone near him this summer, and it’s not the transfer fee or that he’s a good player - but he’s clearly asking for too much money.
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I think clubs have contacted his agent and his agent have told them what the wages they are looking for are, and as you say they have said thanks but no thanks. I was looking back at Toby's comments over the last season or 2 and they all seem to point at running down his contract. Things like, "there has been no new contract discussion" and "I intend to honour the rest of my contract" , not word for word but the main jist.

I think with the amount of money transfers now, players are going to more and more want a bigger chunk of the pie and signing on a free is the way to do it, of course in the long term this will mean transfer fees with start to level off or even decline.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
He’s not.

Let’s just say he’s demanding £250k pow on wages. Over 3 years that’s £39m. Add in a chunky agent fee, which could be £5m, add in a sign on fee (which he would demand as a relatively small transfer fee), again let’s say this is £5m.

So that’s nearly £75m for 3 years.

Is that a bargain?

There’s a reason no one has gone near him this summer, and it’s not the transfer fee or that he’s a good player - but he’s clearly asking for too much money.
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Maguire would be double though.
 
vanderpants said:
I find it strange that we haven't at least put the 25m bid in
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I would be pretty sure, you have contacted Toby's agent and Toby either said he's not interested or Woodward has said no to his wages, no point activating the release clause if both parties are way of on personal terms.
 
InLevyITrust said:
Maguire hasn't said a word publically as far as I am aware, what is the difference with them keeping Maguire and you keeping Pogba?

Truth of the matter is when the window closes both players will simply get on with it.
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He hasn't said anything publicly but that doesn't mean he doesn't want to move. The slight difference is there is a reported big offer for Maguire, which frankly is already too much, while Real are speculating with an insulting offer for a player of Pogba's level.

They will get on it, but it probably will affect their season.
 
Kostov said:
He hasn't said anything publicly but that doesn't mean he doesn't want to move. The slight difference is there is a reported big offer for Maguire, which frankly is already too much, while Real are speculating with an insulting offer for a player of Pogba's level.

They will get on it, but it probably will affect their season.
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Both clubs have publicly stated the players aren't for sale, Pogba is much, much more outspoken than Maguire who is just on season into his new contract. I believe Maguire would like the move, however hasn't stated he wants to leave Leicester, while Pogba/his agent has stated he wants to leave United.
 
I am amazed nobody has gone in for Alderweireld, particularly United.

I didn't realise Vertonghen was out of contract next summer also. It would be a massive blow for Spurs to lose three first team players on a free transfer next summer.
 
InLevyITrust said:
Both clubs have publicly stated the players aren't for sale, Pogba is much, much more outspoken than Maguire who is just on season into his new contract. I believe Maguire would like the move, however hasn't stated he wants to leave Leicester, while Pogba/his agent has stated he wants to leave United.
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They have, and you and me both know that there is factor that when a player wants a move they will get it one way or another, as long as there is a club committed to paying a proper fee. The United towards Leicester fees mentioned are pretty fair and already overpriced when you take into account the De Ligt transfer for instance.

Real on the other hand flirt and chat shit about other club players while speculating with a fee that is laughable even offering players in exchange in a market where a kid with a one season in Portugal costs 120m euros.

The public mouthing off you are making it like it's some advantage here, I consider it a stupid move by Raiola, Pogba and Real, which obviously isn't working. United on the other hand has been much more respectful towards Leicester.
 
Kostov said:
They have, and you and me both know that there is factor that when a player wants a move they will get it one way or another, as long as there is a club committed to paying a proper fee. The United towards Leicester fees mentioned are pretty fair and already overpriced when you take into account the De Ligt transfer for instance.

Real on the other hand flirt and chat shit about other club players while speculating with a fee that is laughable even offering players in exchange in a market where a kid with a one season in Portugal costs 120m euros.

The public mouthing off you are making it like it's some advantage here, I consider it a stupid move by Raiola, Pogba and Real, which obviously isn't working. United on the other hand has been much more respectful towards Leicester.
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Don't get me wrong, I cannot stand Madrid and while I think Pogba is an outstanding player I don't like how he has gone about his transfer and hope you make him stay or get what his market value is probably £125-£150M.

I would say you approached Leicester and they told you he wasn't for sale. You then probably bid a fee you thought Leicester would accept. They didn't and probably came back to you and said if you really want him, its £90M. The papers draw this all out as if negotiations take hours of discussion when they really don't.
 
InLevyITrust said:
Don't get me wrong, I cannot stand Madrid and while I think Pogba is an outstanding player I don't like how he has gone about his transfer and hope you make him stay or get what his market value is probably £125-£150M.

I would say you approached Leicester and they told you he wasn't for sale. You then probably bid a fee you thought Leicester would accept. They didn't and probably came back to you and said if you really want him, its £90M. The papers draw this all out as if negotiations take hours of discussion when they really don't.
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That is absolutely fine and I agree, if Real come in with a 150m pounds offer, I think the move will be done eventually, which would be fair since Pogba wants the move.

However if Leicester does indeed insist on a fee of 90m pounds for Maguire, I think Harry does have a reason to be frustrated towards them, they are pricing him out of a move and being unreasonable imo.

If Maguire is worth 90m pounds, then Pogba should be worth 200m pounds with ease.
 
InLevyITrust said:
Don't get me wrong, I cannot stand Madrid and while I think Pogba is an outstanding player I don't like how he has gone about his transfer and hope you make him stay or get what his market value is probably £125-£150M.

I would say you approached Leicester and they told you he wasn't for sale. You then probably bid a fee you thought Leicester would accept. They didn't and probably came back to you and said if you really want him, its £90M. The papers draw this all out as if negotiations take hours of discussion when they really don't.
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Quite.

But... they do actually have to “prepare a bid” y’know.
 
If we want to sign him then better do it today considering our issues with our own fax machines and also this time Spurs fax machines might not work if we leave it until 11th hour.
 
Andy_Cole said:
Maguire would be double though.
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Assuming a £250k p/w wage and a £25m fee, Alderweireld on a 3-year deal would work out at £21,3m per year. Maguire, assuming a £200k p/w wage and a fee of £80m would work out at £26,6m per year. That's how clubs calculate transfers, as fees are amortised over the length of the initial contract. I also used what I consider to be a high wage estimate for Maguire, so his yearly cost may well be lower.

So Maguire might, on paper, cost the club 2x as much, but from a bookkeeping standpoint, he's only 25% more expensive. He also has resale value, while Alderweireld doesn't, so it's probably better for the club, from a financial standpoint (which is all Woodward and the Glazers care about, sadly), to spunk £80m on Maguire than to trigger Alderweireld's release clause.
 
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