I saw him play against Porto and someone else in the Champions League for Atletico that season and thought he was class. He was also brilliant against Valencia in the league. I don't watch a huge amount of La Liga so didn't realise he hadn't played that much for them but I do remember saying he would be a great signing back then.
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I saw him play against Porto and someone else in the Champions League for Atletico that season and thought he was class. He was also brilliant against Valencia in the league. I don't watch a huge amount of La Liga so didn't realise he hadn't played that much for them but I do remember saying he would be a great signing back then.
Hmm @GlastonSpur said they are both equally as good when fit and on form.
Why is Vertonghen is better?
Because we are buying Toby. If we were after Vertonghen then Toby would have been the better CB.
Why do we need this guy. Is he so much better than what we have now?
So you're asking if he is better than Jones, Smalling, Rojo and Lindelof? Are you serious?
Fair play to @GlastonSpur. Usually at this point when it becomes clear that a Spurs player is going to leave (Walker, almost Rose), he makes out that they weren't really that good anyway and wouldn't be fussed if they left. It's pleasantly surprising that his tune is different in this case.
Yes he is. And the answer is, on the ball yes it seems so. At defending? Not all of them
He can pass the ball and doesn't make many defensive mistakes. This sets him apart from all of our current CB options.
Actually I didn't say that Walker wasn't that good. What I said was that Trippier had improved a lot under Pochettino and was able replacement, which made Spurs reasonably content to lose Walker in exchange for £50m.
It's also becoming more common for players to play well into their 30s. And the best defenders in the world are in their late 20s and early 30s.
Ramos
Chiellini
Bonnuci
Godin
Boateng
Hummels
Vertonghen is exactly the same, a fantastic defender (one of the best in the league) that is in his 30s.
He is more of a leader and has a bit more pace IMO, also probably better at bringing the ball out, there isn’t much in it TBH.
Don’t be a child.
Yeah totally with you, at CB you have to be very tactically aware and also be able to read the game a seconds ahead of the play. All that comes with experience. Also at CB fitness and “legs” aren’t as important as in most other positions. Ledley managed for seasons with half a knee.
We get Toby & Spurs get De Ligt, Toby will be a 200k a week crock while the Caf into meltdown over De Ligt looking an absolute steal for Spurs.
Why are you so sure De Ligt is Tottenham bound? As if there is no other club being in for him, and that something can change Ajax's mind (CWC format, prize money change). Tottenham paid 40 mil for Sanchez last season. Unlikely Ajax would sell De Ligt for less, and it's not like they need to sell if they have free 60+ mil just to play at least a game
Why is everyone so confident like we are getting him?
Only this season he missed a lot of games. Last six years he's only had 3 injuries lasting more than a week..
Because he’s definitely leaving and doesn’t seem like we have much competition for his signing
Just various reports in the media stating that Man Utd are very confident in signing him.
Just makes sense on every level. All the logic suggests this will happen. Makes sense for all parties.
Why so little interest? I thought he's a world class CB with no weakness, and can play until 35 y.o.?
Only this season he missed a lot of games. Last six years he's only had 3 injuries lasting more than a week..
He will fall to bits as soon as he comes here.
Who actually needs a centre back right now? Us and Chelsea, basically no other top team. Madrid, Barca, PSG, Juve, Bayern, City, Atlético etc all seem well stacked.
Their CBs aren't all world class with no weakness, though. City will need one. So are Barca, Madrid, Juve and PSG.
Nothing is concrete atm. We have had so many disappointments with some transfers (vidal, thiago, sneijder) I won't be getting carried away by some random chit chat by newspapers
No it won't. Saying he doesn't have weakness doesn't mean he does everything at world class level. For example he isn't better header than Smalling and Jones but it isn't his weakness.
Why spend money strengthening a position you don’t need to. Teams don’t have unlimited money, not everyone is going to want to give Toby the big wage he wants.
Also City spent 63m on Laporte and Pep already said he only wants 1/2 players max this summer. Barca are getting that guy from Sevilla and Madrid/PSG clearly have world class defenders already and will want to give game time to their young cbs Kimpembe and Vallejo. Plus they are probably more focused on strengthening other areas
.....or alternatively, Toby, with his wealth of Premier league experience slots seamlessly into the heart of our defence, providing the strength and composure we've been looking for while de Ligt, unnerved by the slightly mental nature of the Premier League and the burden of a big price tag and big expectation, loses confidence and leaks goals regularly.
I think my scenario is at least as likely as yours.
I think Verthongen has been the better player this season and last, and Alderweireld was better before, but there's not much in it. Don't want to see him go, especially not to a PL club.
I prefer your version. A partnership with a fit Bailly could be our new Rio/Vidic for the next 5-6 years.
The first part of your statement is not accurate. And although it might "seem" like there isn't much competition for him, I wouldn't bank on this turning into reality were it to be confirmed that he's up for sale.
It makes better sense for Spurs to sell him abroad, all things being equal, if indeed we do sell him.
Just depends what his ambitions are. If Madrid aren't in for him then there is no one bigger than United. Best wages. Biggest exposure. More chance of winning trophies. It's a no-brainer.
Wouldn't bet against City swooping in, Pep loves himself a ball playing CB.
That's not how transfers work though. Nobody is waiting until the summer for Spurs confirmation that a player is for sale.
We could have told you that two months ago.
People said the same about Danny Rose, but it looks like he's staying. I think Alderweireld also changing his mind is less likely, but I wouldn't rule it out. Nor would I rule out Spurs deciding to keep him for another year and then let him go for the £25 release clause in 2019.
The new found loyalty of Rose is due to there being feck all takers amongst the level of clubs he was angling for.
Alderweireld on the other hand won't be short of suitors.
We have plenty of experience in Mike and Beaker.
Do we really need another CB?
The answer to that question is no. Can we please stop building the worlds largest collection of centrebacks and sort out our wingers and full backs first please?
The answer to that question is no. Can we please stop building the worlds largest collection of centrebacks and sort out our wingers and full backs first please?
We need centre backs with composure on the ball and the ability to pass and play out from the back. We are absolutely atrocious at playing out from the back and if you need proof just rewatch the Brighton game. A big part of attacking football is bringing the ball forward from defence and if we can’t do that how can we expect to dominate games and play free flowing attacking football?
It hurts our build up and shape so much when Pogba, Mata, Matic etc all need to come so deep just to bring the ball forward. No other big team plays like this it’s only us
Nobody seems to want him though. Only an English side would pay 50m for a LB and, if we sign Sandro, there isn't a club in need of one.
He can't return to the north if his only option is Stockport County!
Spurs might turn down a lower bid but that doesn't mean he's not for sale. It just means nobody has met Spurs valuation.
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