That may be, but think about how much further behind Spurs it will put us in the Net Spent league table.
Toby Alderweireld
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The idea is we are playing deeper and less expansive because Jose doesn't trust our defence. Bring in a better quality CB who can organise our back four and Jose will have the confidence to allow our midfielders/fullbacks/wingers etc to play higher up the pitch, and therefore score more goals. Whether they'll be right or not is up for debate, but there is logic there.
The last one of those from us was 10 years ago. Don't just assume you can click your fingers and take who you want. it's a bit arrogant. You might get him, I don't know what'll happen with him but I'd presume Levy would try to avoid selling to United or Chelsea unless there was no other option available.
we'll see, sure.
I'm pretty sure Levy would not sell to us, but the problem is that he is in the last year of the contract, so you have to sell this summer or risk losing him on a free which is probably only thing Levy would hate more than selling to United.
Long story short, Alderweireld will end up where he wants to go.
DADDY WANTS
How many times does this myth have to be corrected?
Spurs can optionally extend his contract next summer by 1 year, taking it until the summer of 2020, in which case a release clause of £25m kicks in starting in that summer of 2019.
In other words, if he doesn't sign a new contract and we don't sell this summer, then we can get £25m for him the following summer.
5 years for a 29 year old with a lot of injury problems? I mean, in a few years transitioning as a squad player, sure, but there's no guarantee he'll go right back to last seasons form next season. So it is a bit of a risk getting him in. 40m for one year left on his contract (+1 option) at his age with how little he's played this season isn't a great deal. It's pretty fair when you consider the premium you have to pay to sign someone from your rivals, but I wouldn't expect him to be a top class player for more then 2-3 seasons even if he is over all the injuries.
I'm still all for it, as it would improve us loads especially with his passing ability, but I wouldn't call him a no brainer type of signing. Injuries permitting it'd be great to have though.
How do you rate him?
Ok, my mistake didn't know that. It still means you could potentially lose 15-20 million if you don't sell now.
He's not played much though has he regarding the contract situation
you can't see Spurs continuing with this situation can you?
reckon it will be 35-40 this summer or 25 next - if he isn't going to play though what's the point of keeping a player who wants to go
Yes I understand the idea, just don’t agree with it. If the team had another 25-30 goals conceded I could understand, but now with less than 30 goals conceded in 38 matches I would say there was plenty of room for some adventures.
I don’t really see how defending is a big problem. Investments would be better elsewhere on the pitch imo.
35-40 is what you pay for a decent CB today. Some claim he is world class. How come he isn’t worth more? Shouldn’t there be bidding to expect?
Very true but in modern football what's £25m for a team like Spurs? Levy is a penny pinching business man he knows that Alderweireld is probably worth nearly double that right now. So he'll be going and if he's going to go he should come to us.
I would say due to the fact that he barely played last season and he hasn't signed a contract - he had a hamstring injury which kept him out for 6 months?! This perhaps suggests Spurs trying to play hardball in a world cup year by leaving him out - he only played 14 league games.
I suppose it depends who is in for him - you might end up in a bidding war if PSG and one or two others get involved
If you're against signing him, I'd have to question if you've seen him play enough.
We need a leader at the back and someone who is comfortable on the ball. He reminds me of Rio very much in how he defends, and anyone we partner with him will be much better alongside him.
After reservations of spending £35-40m on Matic have been made to look silly I can't see how the Alderweireld is being questioned about the same thing.
We need a leader at the back and someone who is comfortable on the ball. He reminds me of Rio very much in how he defends, and anyone we partner with him will be much better alongside him.
After reservations of spending £35-40m on Matic have been made to look silly I can't see how the Alderweireld is being questioned about the same thing.
He's top class. Better than anything we currently have in the squad.
Then explain about our limp attack against smaller teams, when we don't do much defence? It's like changing tires on a car to make it drive faster. It does help, but it shouldn't be the main solution.
Highly - would like to keep him and hope he signs the new contract on offer, but that's looking less than 50% likely.
Do you think he shows leadership qualities, i.e. in organizing the defence, being generally vocal, etc.?
He will be our best signing of the decade.
I think he'll be sold this summer (unless the unexpected happens and he changes his mind on the new contract), in which case I reckon he'll go for a fair bit more than the £35m min. price you've mentioned ... closer to £50m and maybe more.
This would be a pretty good coup if we can get him. He's top class and would easily be the best centre-back in our team the moment he signed the contract.
He's at peak age and he's proven in the league.
He's at peak age and he's proven in the league.
I think he's top notch in every regard. When we had Sanchez - Alderweireld - Vertonghen as a back 3 we were very difficult to score against.
When fit and on form who would you say is better out of him and Vertonghen?
Tough question - I can't choose between them. They complement each other very well.
I didn't say it was the main solution, neither did I say I agreed with it. Simply saying it wasn't groundless.
I think alderweireld ceiling a bit higher, definitely more likeable that Jan too.
Fantastic player, would love him at United.
Simple as that.
Simple as that.
Any trustworthy sources reporting this?
Not with his contract situation and the fact that he's effectively forcing his way out. That massively impacts Levy's bargaining power.
Pretty average defender. Wouldn't look out of place here, but then again none of our current lot do either.
He won't go for that. If he wants to leave, he'll leave for much less.
He is not average.
Because hes 29, doesnt have the best fitness record and although he does have some things that would improve us, he's not a CB that all the top teams are likely to have a bidding war over. Maybe Liverpool and Chelsea? But not City, Madrid and Barcelona etc.
You haven't watched him in other words.
Absolute nonsense. He's an excellent defender, there are question marks over other things (injuries) but his ability is absolutely not one of them. He's significantly better than anything we currently have, no two ways about it.
He's 29, he's a bit of an injury prone player and he's got just 1 year left in his contract. Add 10m to that 40m and you'll end up with Koulibaly whose younger, stronger and better. Anything beyond the 30m mark for Toby would be crazy. Alternatively we can have a backroom deal with him and have him sign a pre-contract next January
United aren't the type who like signing 29 year olds especially considering the solid youth talent coming through (Lindelof, Tuanzebe and Bailly). If this deal comes through than its a big vote of no confidence to the experienced heads (Smalling, Rojo and Jones) who should have stepped up and lead the defence themselves. I can see at least 1 of them leave tbh.....probably 2.
United aren't the type who like signing 29 year olds especially considering the solid youth talent coming through (Lindelof, Tuanzebe and Bailly). If this deal comes through than its a big vote of no confidence to the experienced heads (Smalling, Rojo and Jones) who should have stepped up and lead the defence themselves. I can see at least 1 of them leave tbh.....probably 2.
That's how I see it as well. We have bought CBs in each of the past two summers and buying yet another would be not only a massive vote of no confidence to the current lot, but also a sort of indictment that Jose has to keep buying CBs each year because he can't seem to get it right.
Is Koulibaly as experienced, battle tested and mentally the better player than Toby? I say no. Mourinho is continuing to look for warriors and for professional, mentally mature players will to do what it takes to win.
One or two senior CBs will have to go one would think, so let's see.
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