Yeah, it's an interesting one because he's still had success since then...but Real was the first time where he went to a club, and in his time there lost more league titles than he won. It's hard to be too harsh on him because he was up against one of the greatest teams of all-time, and he remains the only person to have denied Guardiola a league title, but it was the first signs of some cracks.
He did well to get Chelsea back to winning the title in 14/15, but even then there were still some problems and that Chelsea side was nowhere near as solid and consistent as the 04-07 team.
I was hoping last season was a blip (still am), and that this would serve as the job where Mourinho would revitalise himself and make a massive statement, and I still think that's possible, but a pessimist could argue he's had his best days as a manager and that he's struggling to keep up with the changing nature of the game. I hope that's not the case...but he really needs to improve us.
Well we aren't winning the title so in a way we are done with this season. He's probably got a tough task even making the top 4. If he misses that mark maybe he gets fired. You never know in the EPL obviously, but it isn't looking good at the moment.
Definitely people saying that in the match day.
I don't know where I stand personally but truth is Utd fans will have less patience then ever before. People defending will simply recycle the same rhetorics from the Moyes and LVG era and they only last so long.
There is no way fans will be as patient with Jose as they were with LVG.
This forum say JM is done, Zlatan is done, Pogba is the worst signing. Patient was better during SAF's time here.
We don't have the time to be patient, look at the teams around us. Everyone is taking strides, what are we doing? Trying to outdo ourselves each season in how much we can spend but still move backwards.This forum say JM is done, Zlatan is done, Pogba is the worst signing. Patient was better during SAF's time here.
It's generally best to stay off all internet platforms after United lose, you don't see much rational conversation.
The midfield looks disjointed. There is absolutely no balance, the team has absolutely no idea what to do with the ball.
Daley Blind is an able LB. Lingard is a decent winger. Jose chooses to start Fellaini when there is an able DM in the team.
But it was LAST season. That, alongside this abysmal start, does seem to indicate that Mourinho is no longer the man he once was.
Not even close to being done. Go back 7 weeks and most on here loved him and the goals he scored. You are not done 7 weeks later.Zlatan is done. People act as if he's not a 35 year old who spent last few years in France. He can bully Sunderland level teams but that's about it. Crazy that Mourinho actually signed him, I never understood that. His ego will only bring problems when Mourinho realizes that benching him is the only way forward.
Klopp and Conte are doing far better under either the same or worse circumstances. If I read another post claiming how much worse Jose has here after spending 90M on one player, I'm going to have to tell you to feck off.
Chelsea are like 5 points ahead of us. In October. A month ago Chelsea fans were talking about how shit Conte was. City fans are doing the same now with Pep despite being top of the league. When Klopp first came in there was a stat going around about how he was doing worse than Rodgers.
I know it's hard but we really need to relax. We haven't even played ten league games yet.
I'm of the opinion that many of our players are done. Our squad stinks of mediocrity.
I see Chelsea above us in the table with City at the top. I don't mind a thrashing on an off day but we've looked helpless in 2/3 big games so far this season while parking the bus in the other one to escape with a draw. Its not like we are beating the teams we are supposed to beat either.
People, including you, jump into conclusion so quickly. The majority of the people are not angry at us losing, they are angry at the way we lose. It's not a battle, it's not a passionate loss, which we can take on the chin. It's a rather bloodless surrender. As for Jose being done, sure it's way too early to say this. The appropriate statement should " Has Jose began yet and will he"
Yeah, it's an interesting one because he's still had success since then...but Real was the first time where he went to a club, and in his time there lost more league titles than he won. It's hard to be too harsh on him because he was up against one of the greatest teams of all-time, and he remains the only person to have denied Guardiola a league title, but it was the first signs of some cracks.
He did well to get Chelsea back to winning the title in 14/15, but even then there were still some problems and that Chelsea side was nowhere near as solid and consistent as the 04-07 team.
I was hoping last season was a blip (still am), and that this would serve as the job where Mourinho would revitalise himself and make a massive statement, and I still think that's possible, but a pessimist could argue he's had his best days as a manager and that he's struggling to keep up with the changing nature of the game. I hope that's not the case...but he really needs to improve us.
I thought it was a bad appointment before we made it, I wouldn't have come to that decision based upon just a couple of months at United. He's never been a revolutionary tactician but his strength was always in his confidence in what he does and the way he's been able to get his players to follow his instructions with such conviction. How can his confidence, or his players in him, be as unshakable now given how disastrously it went last year? His style of football, particularly in big games, and his conduct means he's never going to get much time unless he's winning and currently we're miles off, it will need a big turnaround for us to make top 4 never mind win the title.No one is serious re: Jose is done (I hope!)
Bottom line for me is our club needs a massive rebuild and I genuinely think Jose Mourinho is the best man to undertake it - the man I have most faith in to do so.I thought it was a bad appointment before we made it, I wouldn't have come to that decision based upon just a couple of months at United. He's never been a revolutionary tactician but his strength was always in his confidence in what he does and the way he's been able to get his players to follow his instructions with such conviction. How can his confidence, or his players in him, be as unshakable now given how disastrously it went last year? His style of football, particularly in big games, and his conduct means he's never going to get much time unless he's winning and currently we're miles off, it will need a big turnaround for us to make top 4 never mind win the title.
Klopp and Conte have far more support in-place to allow them to do their jobs. Klopp and Conte are first team coaches. The depth of responsibility for Mourinho at United cannot be compared to what Klopp and Conte have to do for their clubs. Additionally, the structure surrounding Klopp and Conte is much more conducive for a coach to come in and hit the ground running. Mourinho's stepping in to a completely broken organizational structure and he has to fix that shit first.
It's still early, we could still win it.
I think he also lost his first cup final there too. Simeone's atletico outclassed his star studded Madrid in the Copa final. Cup finals and big games were pretty much his speciality, but that ended there too. You could forgive him for losing to that Barcelona team, but that wasn't just it.
If City fans are criticising Pep already, that would be news to me. I see a degree of coherence and something new with what Conte had to implement, so I can understand the growing pains. I really don't see what Jose is doing differently that we need to be so patient with. He has had excellent investment, bought his first choice players at every position and still he has us playing wank football while looking helpless against any half good team we played this season.
I can understand someone being optimistic if there is a reason to do so and Jose has so far not inspired any degree of confidence from me.
What made you think I'm jumping into any conclusions quickly?!
I kind of agree with @gaucho_10 . I watched him a bit last season at PSG and despite his impressive goal return I was never really that impressed with his general play. To come to us, a far worse team than the PSG, I didn't see it turning out well at all and still don't.Not even close to being done. Go back 7 weeks and most on here loved him and the goals he scored. You are not done 7 weeks later.
You don't understand signing him? Look at his stats, France or not. He's been great wherever he's been.
All I read in the summer was people saying that this was a good thing, and that Jose would thrive.Klopp and Conte have far more support in-place to allow them to do their jobs. Klopp and Conte are first team coaches. The depth of responsibility for Mourinho at United cannot be compared to what Klopp and Conte have to do for their clubs. Additionally, the structure surrounding Klopp and Conte is much more conducive for a coach to come in and hit the ground running. Mourinho's stepping in to a completely broken organizational structure and he has to fix that shit first.
Would you put money down on it if you were a gambler? If you would, then good for you; we need some optimism around here. Otherwise i think you agree with me.
Would you put money down on it if you were a gambler? If you would, then good for you; we need some optimism around here. Otherwise i think you agree with me.
How well did they do under Klopp in their first season?
Not even close to being done. Go back 7 weeks and most on here loved him and the goals he scored. You are not done 7 weeks later.
You don't understand signing him? Look at his stats, France or not. He's been great wherever he's been.
Which is completely fair enough, I couldn't think of many other options in the summer given Guardiola and Klopp were gone, and I obviously hope you're right but he's not done anything thus far (obviously it's very early) to alleviate my concerns.Bottom line for me is our club needs a massive rebuild and I genuinely think Jose Mourinho is the best man to undertake it - the man I have most faith in to do so.
I think the lack of playing time is a problem. No national team football, rested in Europa League. Zlatan is a player that needs to play games and I think once he get more games there won't be a problem if the midfield start to play better. Without a midfield, Zlatan is no use at 35.I kind of agree with @gaucho_10 . I watched him a bit last season at PSG and despite his impressive goal return I was never really that impressed with his general play. To come to us, a far worse team than the PSG, I didn't see it turning out well at all and still don't.
That said, I agree it was worth a shot signing him considering he was free and all, but I didn't have high expectations.
There are a lot of rational comments which might be worded a bit more aggressively. Doesn't mean that the substance is not rational.
Last year it was about how sacking LVG. Now it's about Mourinho. OK then what? We keep sacking managers every year, meaning the squad is perpetually in transition with a manager coming in every year. For better or for worse, we chose Mourinho. It's time we stick by that decision. Or at the very least not freak out after 9 games!
Last year it was about how sacking LVG. Now it's about Mourinho. OK then what? We keep sacking managers every year, meaning the squad is perpetually in transition with a manager coming in every year. For better or for worse, we chose Mourinho. It's time we stick by that decision. Or at the very least not freak out after 9 games!
Just need him to be utterly ruthless now...Which is completely fair enough, I couldn't think of many other options in the summer given Guardiola and Klopp were gone, and I obviously hope you're right but he's not done anything thus far (obviously it's very early) to alleviate my concerns.
