Timothy Fosu-Mensah loan

Z_Wolf said:
He needs to develop positional sense and discipline, he certainly has got the physique to be a Mou player.
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That's really the key. He obviously has the physical attributes to do anything, and he seems to have the skills as well. It's his positional sense and discipline that needs work, and that is something that is only possible with good gametime. For the longterm good he really needed to go out on loan.

The thing I'm not sure about is what position Crystal Palace will play him in. Will they move him around and play him in a number of different positions, or do they have a definite plan for him in a certain position?
 
NoPace said:
I think he's a very impressive athlete and has skill, but at RB, at least, he seems raw, especially on the ball, in a way that Tuanzebe for instance isn't.

If we think he might be able to replace Valencia in a year or two, or at least Darmian as the backup RB, I'd rather see him get 40 games in the Champo or a Ligue 1 side as an RB for a team with nothing there to learn the position rather than maybe end up not playing much at Palace.

Just seems like an unnecessary risk.
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I can see him getting quite a few games at palace - I suspect they will play 3-4-3 with him getting games as a cb (rcb) and midfield - perhaps on the right as well but I think more games in central midfield than anything else.

And then in a year back to us as cover for Matic as I suspect it will be Carricks last season as well.
 
I never understand why some feel going out on loan is a bad thing. No it is not. We are not Chelsea ffs. Fosu going out on a loan is the best thing. He will get game time and be a better player when he returns. Welbeck, beckam, lingard, even periera all became better player. Yes januzaj loan didn't work but that was more to do with januzaj's attitude. Fosu will be fine and I hope he impresses the manager and gets to play regularly. Pretty sure palace boys will be amazed with his physique.
 
MadDogg said:
That's really the key. He obviously has the physical attributes to do anything, and he seems to have the skills as well. It's his positional sense and discipline that needs work, and that is something that is only possible with good gametime. For the longterm good he really needed to go out on loan.

The thing I'm not sure about is what position Crystal Palace will play him in. Will they move him around and play him in a number of different positions, or do they have a definite plan for him in a certain position?
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I am sure Jose and his staff were informed of De Boer's plans when they agreed to the deal otherwise it could be disastrous. I'd be good if TMF played consistently in one position though. Managers sticking him in different positions hasn't helped him imo.
 
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AshRK said:
I never understand why some feel going out on loan is a bad thing. No it is not. We are not Chelsea ffs. Fosu going out on a loan is the best thing. He will get game time and be a better player when he returns. Welbeck, beckam, lingard, even periera all became better player. Yes januzaj loan didn't work but that was more to do with januzaj's attitude. Fosu will be fine and I hope he impresses the manager and gets to play regularly. Pretty sure palace boys will be amazed with his physique.
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I think the pessimism is justified when it comes to loans. There have been some good loan spells, though having to dig as far back as Beckham and Welbeck is probably quite telling that the ratio of successful to unsuccessful loans isn't great. There has been a lot of poor ones in recent years, where players couldn't get games even at hopeless Championship clubs, when they would have been better off training with the first team and playing for the reserves.

I'm fairly optimistic about this one, however. De Boer should hopefully know a lot about Fosu Mensah as they were at Ajax at the same time.
 
Looking at the physique of Fosu-Mensah its easy to forget that he is still only 19 years of age.
He seems to have been part of the first team set up for quite a while too.

But this sounds like an ideal loan.
Just the right time for Fosu-Mensah to get regular first team football under a Dutch coach that knows him, and at a decent Palace side that won't be scrapping against relegation.
He will return a better, more experienced and confident player, and Valencia will be another year older.

But I do wonder if this loan might be a sign that we have a new RB coming in, and hopefully we'll not be relying on the 'make do and mend' philosophy of past years.
I really don't want to see the likes of Darmian, Blind or Young filling in 'to do a job'.
 
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Ikon said:
Looking at the physique of Fosu-Mensah its easy to forget that he is still only 19 years of age.
He seems to have been part of the first team set up for quite a while too.

But this sounds like an ideal loan.
Just the right time for Fosu-Mensah to get regular first team football under a Dutch coach that knows him, and at a decent Palace side that won't be scrapping against relegation.
He will return a better, more experienced and confident player, and Valencia will be another year older.

But I do wonder if this loan might be a sign that we have a new RB coming in, and hopefully we'll not be relying on the 'make do and mend' philosophy of past years.
I really don't want to see the likes of Darmian, Blind or Young filling in 'to do a job'.
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That's a very important point. Fosu Mensah was from Ajax academy and was there till 2014, de Boer was involved with Ajax in various coaching roles from 2007-2016, so probably knows more about Fosu Mensah from their time at Ajax.
 
If we aren't bringing anyone else in, I think it's a pity- I think he'd get games here. Has anyone told Mourinho you can have a clause to recall loan players? Wenger didn't know when they had the midfield crisis so hadn't included when sent to Bournemouth....
 
MassiveMorgan said:
If we aren't bringing anyone else in, I think it's a pity- I think he'd get games here. Has anyone told Mourinho you can have a clause to recall loan players? Wenger didn't know when they had the midfield crisis so hadn't included when sent to Bournemouth....
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Yes, We'll need him Ashley young or darmian or tuanzebe is a pretty under whelming options.
 
He might end up coming back next season as a accomplished CB or CDM. De Boer will probably deploy him in one of them roles is my guess.
 
Palace has been using a 3-4-3 formation in pre season with Townsend as the right wing back. I can see De Boer signing Fosu-Mensah for that position so he can move Townsend further up the pitch to play alongside Zaha and Benteke in the forward line.
 
the hea said:
Palace has been using a 3-4-3 formation in pre season with Townsend as the right wing back. I can see De Boer signing Fosu-Mensah for that position so he can move Townsend further up the pitch to play alongside Zaha and Benteke in the forward line.
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He could play him in the 3 at the back. Mensah played as a CB in the Ajax youth team when De Boer was head Coach. He will have a good idea on how to use him.
 
Hope he can nail down a consistent first team spot there, otherwise it could easily turn out to be a pointless move which doesn't really give him anything. He could easily get 15-20 games here with our shortage of wide defenders and central midfielders.

Mourinho must have been ensured by De Boer about his playing time.
 
Adnan said:
He could play him in the 3 at the back. Mensah played as a CB in the Ajax youth team when De Boer was head Coach. He will have a good idea on how to use him.
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He certainly would be an option there too but I think Townsend is more of a forward than a wing back and Palace only have Zaha and Benteke as first choice forwards so I can see De Boer signing a wing back so he can move Townsend further up the pitch.

I think Palace could line up something like this a lot this season.

Speroni

Ward Riedewald Dann

Fosu-Mensha Cabaye Milivojevic Schlupp

Townsend Benteke Zaha
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Perfect move for all parties involved. TFM gets to link up with his old manager, who obviously wouldn't take him unless he thought he could contribute there and we get a more experienced, league tested player at the end of the year.
 
Who is now seen as the bigger talent between him and Axel? Or are they not really pegged to end up at the same position in the end?
 
Organic Potatoes said:
Who is now seen as the bigger talent between him and Axel? Or are they not really pegged to end up at the same position in the end?
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I'd imagine Tuanzebe. Both are probably two of the best young talents in the club, but Tuanzebe seems the more complete, so to speak: less flaws seem to be in his game. Though, that may be down to the fact he's had less exposure in terms of first team football.
 
the hea said:
He certainly would be an option there too but I think Townsend is more of a forward than a wing back and Palace only have Zaha and Benteke as first choice forwards so I can see De Boer signing a wing back so he can move Townsend further up the pitch.
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You're probably right but I see him as being better as a CB right now than a wing back. I just hope he can nail a position down in the first 11 and show his potential.
 
Organic Potatoes said:
Who is now seen as the bigger talent between him and Axel? Or are they not really pegged to end up at the same position in the end?
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Tuanzebe for me. Axel can very much become a good squad player now. He looks older than his original age.

TFM has to develop something in his games to be a good player in real competitive games imo.
 
Adnan said:
You're probably right but I see him as being better as a CB right now than a wing back. I just hope he can nail a position down in the first 11 and show his potential.
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Agreed. The most important thing for him right now is to get a place in the first eleven so he can play week in and week out wherever on the pitch that may be.
 
MadDogg said:
That's really the key. He obviously has the physical attributes to do anything, and he seems to have the skills as well. It's his positional sense and discipline that needs work, and that is something that is only possible with good gametime. For the longterm good he really needed to go out on loan.

The thing I'm not sure about is what position Crystal Palace will play him in. Will they move him around and play him in a number of different positions, or do they have a definite plan for him in a certain position?
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I'm not that updated with the Crystal Palace squad but from what I've read they are short on in the defence department, which positions though I'm not sure of. I think he can become a great utility player like Phil Neville/Oshea was for us. I really like the lad and I hope he gets alot of chances if not I would be really dissapointed with this loan.

I agree with the posts that he needs games to develop his "football brain" but I kinda feel loaning him out is a gamble, not for his development but for our own options. Because right now I feel we have alot of IF's and WHEN's.

When Lidelöf settles, If we stay injury free etc
 
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Happy to see this. Last year was a huge waste for him playing literally no football at all; not even for the U23s.
 
He's only 19, this will be a great move for him and hopefully we'll have some player on our hands next season.
 
Great move if it happens. Due to his versatility I could see him playing 10 full league matches next year and most of their cup games until they go out. Palace lack depth at Centre half and right back. I could see him getting the odd game in midfield too.

If Zaha stays and he plays right back that's a scary proposition for teams.

As with all loans though, only successful if they start football matches.
 
It's a great idea for him. A group like Palace will do him really good. A great place to stay at and he will get a coach who can relate to him in many ways. Just imagine getting help from a player/manager like Frank de Boer. Same language and same playing position. I'm really hoping they get to spend some time together.
 
Should play week in week out, Does this mean we'll get another RB?
 
Successful said:
It's a great idea for him. A group like Palace will do him really good. A great place to stay at and he will get a coach who can relate to him in many ways. Just imagine getting help from a player/manager like Frank de Boer. Same language and same playing position. I'm really hoping they get to spend some time together.
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Agree. He's very rash at times (due to youth eagerness) but his quality isn't in question. If he can bring his play to the levels when he played against Spurs a couple of years ago, on a consistent basis, we will have an excellent player on our hands.
 
Organic Potatoes said:
Who is now seen as the bigger talent between him and Axel? Or are they not really pegged to end up at the same position in the end?
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Tfm just for me ,he's a midfielder ,the fact that he's still impressed whilst playin fullback is a testament to how talented he is,if he gets used regularly as a DM at palace it will be a perfect loan
 
I find it weird he was let go. Showed he's more than just a deputy to Valencia and infact showed he's probably his equal ability wise if not better. Surely this would mean that another RB/RWB is coming in as if he plans to keep it 3 at the back kinda needs options especially if Darmian is his number 1 LB
 
Andersons Dietician said:
I find it weird he was let go. Showed he's more than just a deputy to Valencia and infact showed he's probably his equal ability wise if not better. Surely this would mean that another RB/RWB is coming in as if he plans to keep it 3 at the back kinda needs options especially if Darmian is his number 1 LB
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As little as Axel being used as fullback, Axel already looks much more impressive as full back than TFM. TFM has the physical ability, but overall ability, Axel has leaped over since the end of last season when his physicality is filling out &i and catching up to TFM's.
 
Andersons Dietician said:
I find it weird he was let go. Showed he's more than just a deputy to Valencia and infact showed he's probably his equal ability wise if not better. Surely this would mean that another RB/RWB is coming in as if he plans to keep it 3 at the back kinda needs options especially if Darmian is his number 1 LB
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He hasn't shown he is close to being better than Valencia.

Why buy another RB when TFM is coming back, where is he going to fit in if we sign another? Darmian, Young, Axel, Bailly etc. are enough for RB if we need.
 
TFM is NOT a right-back. So whatever happens to him at either Palace or United, he will not approach his potential until he plays centrally for a run of games.
 
limerickcitykid said:
He hasn't shown he is close to being better than Valencia.

Why buy another RB when TFM is coming back, where is he going to fit in if we sign another? Darmian, Young, Axel, Bailly etc. are enough for RB if we need.
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Manages to put in dangerous crosses and beat the first man and not just float stupid balls in for catching practice. I'd say that is a marked improvement on what we had last season although in the 352 Valencia has at least looked a lot better.
 
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