Thought he wasn't that great if I'm honest, there left winger kept getting in space past him.
He's not a right back at all.
He's not a right back at all.
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He's so much like a Young Phil Jones. Got the same problems and strengths at that sort of age too.
I thought he was good in patches, the winger was exploiting the space he left when bombing forward and Bailly showed his frustration on a few occasions.
Huge potential though.
Huge potential though.
I'd agree. Positioning was very poor, would have cost us dearly against a better side
Think he struggles with with the fitness required at this level. He's not looked anywhere near the same since last season, really strange how much he's regressed.
Worrying how he struggles to track back his man at times. 1 point in the 2nd half pogba covered his ass, savage had a go at pogba and FM was still on the half way line blowing out his ass
Worrying how he struggles to track back his man at times. 1 point in the 2nd half pogba covered his ass, savage had a go at pogba and FM was still on the half way line blowing out his ass
Wasnt good tonight but hes young and has time to improve.
Had some solid moments, most notably in attack, which leads me to believe that he's figuring this position out. I'd like him to learn how to properly take a man on, and take that with him as he moves to midfield.
He was quite ok, but specially with his second-half runs. His first half was bad.
Decent performance. Not sure what some people are watching. Positioning is always thing to improve with experience for fullback, especially a non-specialized one.
I'd be interested to know if Jose actually sees him as a RB long term or is just giving him minutes in a position we have very little cover in.
No idea how some are seeing motm performance there compared to the likes of Zlatan. Poor first half but improved second. Hoping Jose keeps giving him more minutes against the lesser teams.
That's what i thought. He wasn't great, and took a bit too many chance in my book...but he wasn't bad.
If he was, on that same grading scale Pogba was HORRIBLE.
I think people have been to critical of both Fosu and Valencia...while giving Shaw a pass.
Im sure that if all our RBs focused exclusively on defense...like a Darmian does...they'd be better true FB.
Fosu was way better today than he was in his last start. Average i'd say...with good and poor moments
Think he struggles with with the fitness required at this level. He's not looked anywhere near the same since last season, really strange how much he's regressed.
Worrying how he struggles to track back his man at times. 1 point in the 2nd half pogba covered his ass, savage had a go at pogba and FM was still on the half way line blowing out his ass
How can an 18 year old with only a handful of full games to his name regress?
Because he's playing worse now than he was with the first team under LVG. Maybe it's a confidence or fitness issue but I haven't been as impressed with him under Jose as I did last year. Yes we know he can run fast but in his last 2 games he's been poor I think.
I thought he did well. He wasn't that good defensively but he was obviously given the job to bomb forward as much as he could. He only got caught out of position when doing so.
This. Same kind of 'where's he best?' Feeling with him too.
I'm confused as hell as i haven't got to see the game yet. Some people are saying he was great and the MOTM then some are saying he was crap.
He was somewhere in between. Didn't really make any big mistakes at the back and got more and more involved going forward as the game went on. Not MOTM at all but also not a bad performance, certainly an improvement on his last outing and it was against a better team too
I really rate him but he needs to up his performance this season or Mourinho will ship him out.
He lost his man far too many times last night, and it wasn't just when he was attacking and caught out of position. These are lower league level players and he was letting them get away from him in defensive positions.
He lost his man far too many times last night, and it wasn't just when he was attacking and caught out of position. These are lower league level players and he was letting them get away from him in defensive positions.
Thought he was shaky when the match started, but got better as it went on. Particularly his attacking runs, I reckon Mourinho asked him to get forward more at halftime as he seemed to be attacking with more focus in the second half.
He was ok at most though.
He is still too raw and not sure RB is his best position either as many has said it already. But, having some game time as 18 years old is better than getting none though since he is potentially one of the best youth players we have.
He is still too raw and not sure RB is his best position either as many has said it already. But, having some game time as 18 years old is better than getting none though since he is potentially one of the best youth players we have.
He grew into he game but was very timid in the first half. Not sure he's a rb but it's good that he's getting first team experience.
He wasn't poor last night. He was in the game prior to that but last night he done OK.
Yes he was. He burst forward well at times in the 2nd half but considering our domination and the space he had, he should have been much more involved.
Was that the time pogba had the ball, tfm when sprinting up the line for a counter and pogba lost it?Think he struggles with with the fitness required at this level. He's not looked anywhere near the same since last season, really strange how much he's regressed.
Worrying how he struggles to track back his man at times. 1 point in the 2nd half pogba covered his ass, savage had a go at pogba and FM was still on the half way line blowing out his ass
I see people criticse fullbacks for this all the time. They bomb up the wing for an attack, our midfield loses the ball, how do you expect them to be back defending the oppositions counter?
Either out fullbacks don't attack early, slowing our attacks down, but never being caught out of position,.we they are allowed to go early in the hope of influencing the game in the oppositions half, and risk being caught on the counter.
I prefer the later.
Now Shaw against Watford, when martial had his back to the opposition goal and the defenders on him, went to early. He should have shown for the back pass and Shaw should have strated the counter by knocking it up the line to pogba. Instead of trying to be involved in the counter attack. It's safety first sometimes.
You say he should of been more involved but he spent most of the time in the oppositions half. What else can he do? We weren't playing to get the ball out wide and fire crosses in, we were trying to create through the middle mainly. You commented about his fitness which I find strange considering he was up and down the line all night. The down part was he got caught out a couple of times but that is to be expected when 1) He isn't a natural fullback and 2) It's only his second game of the season, he is going to be a bit rusty. Some of our fans have ridiculous expectations, which considering we have been crap for 2.5 years makes it all the more strange.
He moves so smoothly on the ball, he must be very athletic
He's only played about a game and a half. I think it's much more likely he's 18 and will have a mixed bag of good and bad performances. That looks much more likely than him somehow regressing as a player.
I thought the timing of his runs were poor and positionally he should have been closer to the winger when he received the ball to give him an overlap or take some attention from them.
A lot of the time when he did receive the ball he just passed it backwards, too worried at losing the ball. I don't think he was terrible but he certainly needs to improve. On the odd occasion he did play a 1-2 or make a 3rd man run he did well.
I think the things like the positional sense etc. will come with time and more experience playing at the RB position. Prior to last season the odd time he has never played in the RB position so it was always going to take some adaption time, especially when you are at a club the size of United and expectations are always sky high. Personally I don't prefer him at RB i'd rather see him at CB or DM but I certainly think he is good enough to be here long term and will become an excellent player in any of those positions as he is technically good, quick and strong. We have to remember here aswell TFM is 18 years old, still very young for a player.
think he had a good game and showed Jose he is decent option even though it's not his best position at all. YES he leaves space when he's going forward but ffs that's what modern day fullbacks do, you have players to cover for you.
What's important for me is that Jose believes in him and gives him minutes to get experience instead of someone like Darmian, he will be one of our best players in the future and will benefit from every minute, he gets now...
Midfield three of Pogba- TFM - Gomes looks insane on the paper
What's important for me is that Jose believes in him and gives him minutes to get experience instead of someone like Darmian, he will be one of our best players in the future and will benefit from every minute, he gets now...
Midfield three of Pogba- TFM - Gomes looks insane on the paper
Can you name anyone who started last night to whom that doesn't apply?
Seems harsh to single out the youngest player in the team for imitating what his senior colleagues were doing all night. Especially when he was one of very few players to actually get to the byline over the course of 90 minutes.
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He was comfortably our best player on the night, after a less than confident opening few minutes (which you would expect after the Northampton performance).
His willingness to get forward, his link up play and crossing were very impressive.
His willingness to get forward, his link up play and crossing were very impressive.
You're kidding, right? I thought he displayed some lovely skill on the ball but looked completely clueless at defending as a right back. That said, once he was told to focus on going forward in the later part of the match he looked a lot better.
Where did I mention defending?
The point I'm having an issue with is "comfortably our best player on the night". If your right back can't defend you can't gloss it over with nice crosses and link up play.
I like TFM and think he has a lot of potential but playing him out of position isn't going to help him develop.
Against a team who sat back and defended in numbers, and with senior players doing little to break them down, he was our best attacking outlet and ultimately created the goal.
It's not like their left winger tore him to shreds 1 vs 1. He's 18; he's learning the position.
Marcelo can't defend, yet the Cafe are all over him like a fly on shit.
He was fortunate that Bailly did half of his job for him alright, allowing him to concentrate on attacking once everyone figured out he wasn't much use defensively.
Like you say, he's learning that position and clearly had some issues with elements of it so comfortably our best player on the night isn't exactly applicable.
18 year old played out of position fails to convince 100%, meh, nothing to see here.
Some of his lapses yesterday would have been punished in the PL. Young and learnin'.
Some of his lapses yesterday would have been punished in the PL. Young and learnin'.
What is his real position?
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