I think he's just seen as the ideal fit for the club at this specific time. We have been crying out for a proper number 7 for a long time as it's United tradition to have flair in abundance at the top end of the pitch. He also fits the club profile and philosophy of being young and British so in many ways a perfect match for the club culture.
Timo Werner to Chelsea
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I think he's just seen as the ideal fit for the club at this specific time. We have been crying out for a proper number 7 for a long time as it's United tradition to have flair in abundance at the top end of the pitch. He also fits the club profile and philosophy of being young and British so in many ways a perfect match for the club culture.
He's joining a good squad and they only have one player over 30 ... think they can grow into a very good team (might need a left back and I'm not totally sure on kepa) but they have the basis of a good team there and werner can operate up top with abraham and pulisic or mount behind... he can operate centrally with 2 out if zeiych, c.h-o, or pulisic wide ... or he can operate with with abraham central
Good signing and I fully expect Chelsea to be a top 4 team next season
Werner............24
Abraham.........22
Batshuai..........26
Hudson odi....19
Pulisic............21
Zeiych.............27
Mount ............21
Barkley............26
Loftus cheek..24
Kovacic...........26
Gilmor.............18
Kate................28
Jorginho........29
Ampadu.........19
Rudiger..........27
Christiansen..24
Tomori...........22
Zouma...........25
James...........20
Azpiluceta.....30
Alonso..........29
Emerson.......25
Kepa.............25
Caballero.....38
Blackman....26
Average age under 25 including cabellero!
Good signing and I fully expect Chelsea to be a top 4 team next season
Werner............24
Abraham.........22
Batshuai..........26
Hudson odi....19
Pulisic............21
Zeiych.............27
Mount ............21
Barkley............26
Loftus cheek..24
Kovacic...........26
Gilmor.............18
Kate................28
Jorginho........29
Ampadu.........19
Rudiger..........27
Christiansen..24
Tomori...........22
Zouma...........25
James...........20
Azpiluceta.....30
Alonso..........29
Emerson.......25
Kepa.............25
Caballero.....38
Blackman....26
Average age under 25 including cabellero!
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I don't see how Werner would have fit at Utd without Martial being moved on and even then he seems a lot like Michael Owen (best suited to playing with a big man).
No we don’t I’ve watched Sancho and he’s no CR7, but a front 3 off Rashford, Greenwood and Sancho would be something to be reckoned with..
Meh.. I knew we wouldn't end up with him. Waste of time watching him and Leipzig for the last 6 or so months never doing that again. Looks like we might have to hope for Michael Edwards to pull of another underwater 3d chess transfer masterclass. This time with Newcastle as mugs for Shaqiri, Lallana, Lovren etc. If Bournemouth survives who knows they might even be fooled again , just about scrimp up half the money for another target to dither and miss out on.
You don't seem to be keen on mentioning United have had a better finish to the season than Chelsea and have beaten them comfortably three times this season. United have also strengthened early by signing Bruno in January and it's quite clear they will do more planned business in the summer window.
That's why it's ridiculous for you to pop in and start declaring United won't make top 4. Surely you can see how daft that is? I think you know that though and as per are on the wind up.
Good squad shite manager
Kinda bullshit that we pulled out for financial reasons though considering we spent nothing last summer. Don’t see how this makes any sense with Lallana and Shaqiri seemingly on the way out. They either have something else planned or we’re pretty fecked looking at next season.
Absolutely class that he isn't joining Liverpool. This crisis is playing into our hands. We'll catch up quicker because of this. Not too bothered about Chelsea really. Feck them.
Cheeky dig at United, I’m sure
I think we are going to be pushing for top 2/3 next season. Got a lot of top quality players at just the right age. If we add Sancho we’re going to be right up there.
This is a fairer response. Thanks. I did my best tongue biting when posting that to be as fair as possible. Sancho has not signed yet and until he does it's only "ifs".
Bruno is world class IMO, for me potential PL player of the season if he can carry on his form next year, and he will bring the best out of Martial, Rashford and Pogba. However, Utd are not a top four looking team yet from an outsider's perspective. A big reason for that is because you have Ole in charge. That's also IMO of course.
Chelsea with kids, literally kids, are finishing ahead of Ole this season. That's unacceptable, whatever the excuses. Utd will be stronger next season but as we're seeing, Chelsea will too. One thing to not change will be Ole
Yeah I'd agree with you. Obviously everyone has business to do which will be very interesting post Covid-19. I do think United will add again and Sancho does look the prime target alongside a few younger players like Bellingham. I also think United will make a decision on Pogba this window; get him to commit and extend or move him on. If he stays I think we have a very strong and balanced midfield with Pogba, Bruno, Mctominay, Fred, Matic. Would be the strongest we have been in that area since Scholes and Carrick.
I think there's alot to be optimistic with at United currently but I understand why people worry about false dawn's given the turbulence we have had since Sir Alex moved on. I think our strategy is clear and direction positive. Wan Bissaka, Maguire and Bruno are all quality additions mixed in with the emergence of Greenwood and Mctominay who are both proving to be key first team players. Another good window (ins and outs) and I think we will surprise a few people.
Let's wait and see.
We are pushing for top 4 this season though and might still get it and that's been without Pogba all season and our number one forward Rashford for a large chunk. So don't get any of that tbh. Especially when you consider our record this season against the top 6.
Seems a very short sighted post.
Chelsea signing Werner and Chillwell to add to Ziyech means they must be favourites to finish third next season.
I don't even think it's a cert that they will myself. How many points is there in between? do they still have United to play? haven't looked at the table since it all stopped, but I think they're bit vulnerable around there.
What kids are you talking about? Chelsea have their fair share of seasoned pros and are only 3 points ahead of United. Mount, Abraham, and a revolving door at CB are their kids. United didn't have their best player for majority of the year and their second best player missed quite a few months. There's 27 points to play for if you're Chelsea, United, and Leicester.
Lampard had Mount for an entire year at Derby and knew what he's capable of. Pulisic started to come into his own a little bit, but he's be in senior football at a high level for a few years. Then you have Pedro, Willian, the entire central midfield are veterans (Gilmore hasn't done anything of note).
3 points ahead. GD is plus 2 in our favour. We’ve played them 3 times this season (twice in the league & the other in the league cup) and beat them in all 3 games
Looking at the run-in between the two, we certainly have the favourable set of fixtures as Chelsea still have to play both City & yourselves.
Fair enough, you were on a good purple patch before covid struck. It wasn't just Liverpool's momentum that Covid fecked up (though we were having a wobble). Chelsea's jaded youngsters will now be perky again too, and with the golden ticket of CL next season will be up for for the fight I'm sure.
This is why football will still be exciting despite the risky situation it's coming back in.
Serious question, what more does Ole have to do to convince you? He's beaten Chelsea and City 6 times this season, he's beaten Poch, he's beaten Mourinho, Klopps only won one of the 3 games against him, our side is even younger than Chelseas and has had far more injuries to contend with, I really don't know what more he can do to put himself ahead of even the likes of Lampard in peoples eyes?
We have a much better team than Chelsea and we have Pogba and Rashford back. Plus now that the smaller teams don’t have their home support we won’t have so many game raising performances to deal with.
I’m confident we can get top four quite comfortably if we play how we were playing before this stoppage.
I think it's understated just how fecked the North London duo are.
Looking at the XG metrics they aren't even underachieving and are exactly where they deserve to be. Arsenal have a glimmer hope to hold onto with Arteta (a lot of respected coaches in the game seem to think he's the real deal) but I just can't see anyway back up for Spurs, Jose's modern day team building plus a chairman reluctant to spend has disaster written all over it.
Liverpool didn't really need him tbh and are in a precarious position full stop with their squad, how do you improve? It might be boring come the transfer window for you lot but buying players for the first XI can cause more harm than good
Plus financially you're nowhere near as powerful as other PL sides so your board has to count the pennies (even more remarkable as to how you've built the team you have)
Who would he have replaced in the lineup at Liverpool?
You should always look at evolving your squad no matter how good you are, especially of key players are pushing late 20s, knowing when a players time is up/needs to slowly get eased out is for me the main difference between being a Fergie/Pep/prime Jose level manager to being a Wenger/Benitez level one.
Huge signing for them. Also a positive for us imo as its a huge sign that we are set for Sancho. No competition left basically.
Chelsea were just picking up form. The problem for them is that their front 3 are form players and that is gone.
Low key they are the biggest losers in the suspension imo.
We reckon Firmino or Klopp would drop him in to CAM and play Mane, Werner and Salah across the front 3 so someone from Midfield would drop out but we're not strongest there anyway. Doing that to include him we'd have to change formation so he'd either disjoint us or we play 4-3-3 as usual with him on the bench because he aint starting over any of them front 3.
They got 'everything' done in the break? Not sure what you mean by everything. They talked to Bruno over last summer and only went for Bruno because Pogba and McTominay were out injured for majority of the season. As for Ighalo, he came in as well because Rashford was out for a very long time and Martial had minor injuries here and there which is why we had to rely on Greenwood. They didn't do everything. They did the bare minimum and the gamble paid off. We got rid of Lukaku (a proven goal scorer) and replaced him with no one until now in the form of Ighalo. Chelsea have always done well when it comes to transfers and their board is a lot better when it comes to how quickly they get the deal done.
So it'll be Werner - Tammy - Ziyech trio then. Unless if they are still interested to sign a striker.
If that’s the case then surely someone like a Havertz would suit you better than a Werner in my opinion
This is maybe a discussion for another thread. But this argument is exactly the one we used to throw at you about Houllier and Rafa. What more could they do? And your response (correctly) was always the same: the league table NEVER lies.
Do they really need him when they already have Abraham and are signing Ziyech? They can only play one up front in a 3, Werner isn't really a great wide player. With Pulisic, Hudson-Odoi, Mount all also playing in the wide positions, they'll be stacked, but they could also have a lot of unhappy players.
With that age (and style) of a team you would imagine that Pochettino would be a nice fit.
Lampard seems the only thing standing in his way.
Chelsea fans what do you think?
Lampard seems the only thing standing in his way.
Chelsea fans what do you think?
I think it's a combination of Bruno with a few months of gelling under his belt, a fit Pogba in a better squad, and Sancho in, basically replacing Lingard, Pereira and Fred from the starting 11 that we used for most of this season. Freds done well, but thats a massive revamp if you look at it like that.
Nah he won’t go there because of his connection to Spurs
So let the league finish and see where we are? The difference between Lamps and Ole has been absolutely minimal this year.
Maybe but it's a big call to dump Salah for example and bring in Werner, I can see why it's not something Liverpool wanted to do
I'd disagree on the basis of there really not being much to split United and Chelsea this season (with us dominating head to heads). Chelsea strengthening their attack (which wasn't their weak point) with Ziyech and Werner. United basically adding Pogba, Bruno and big possibility to get Sancho to address our weak areas. On the balance it would be a much bigger improvement for us imo.
But as it is, a clear top 4 with Leicester falling off I think.
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