So many system players in the Bundesliga, and I'm afraid Werner is one of them. He doesn't play as a natural striker at RB Leipzig, instead he likes to drop deep and participate a lot in the buildup play. I believe he'll struggle if he's asked to play in a different system (as a traditional lone striker for example), just like his performance in the 2018 WC. He fits much better to Klopp's approach and I think Lampard has to do a lot of work to make use of him appropriately.
Timo Werner to Chelsea
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We're a more sum of their parts team ourselves in fairness.
I think he will play on LW for us.
I’m done no worries
Ballack was good from memory, Klinnsman, Ozil has had his moments but you'd have to say he has been disappointing, Hamman.
I get the point though. A number of German players do tend to flop here. Not sure why. In fairness we don't actually get that many given we are only over the channel.
I'd say Ballack was fairly disappointing when taking into account the expectations. He did have one great half a season where he was arguably keeping them in the title fight with us, but otherwise he never really hit any great heights.
Hes exactly what chelsea need and what Lampard was crying out for this season, losing Hazard essentially took away 50% of their goals and assists.
This season the only goal threat apart from Abraham has been Pulisic, others wingers like Pedro,Willian and CHO havent really been goal scoring threats, so having another very good goalscorer who can also play on the left wing is only going to improve the team.
Really interested to see how this works out. Can see it either being a great move or a total flop.
What's the rules on when he can start to play for them? Will he be able to play this season if we're playing into the transfer window opening?
What's the rules on when he can start to play for them? Will he be able to play this season if we're playing into the transfer window opening?
feck knows! We've got Ziyech from 01/07. Can he play?
I very much doubt they'll let any newly registered players appear this season*.
*as messed up as it is,
Whether Werner operates well on the left wing is still a debate. Yes he played there on a few occassions but it has never been a consistent position for him. It's also a bold assumption that he can provide the same goalscoring threat for Chelsea as for RB Leipzig, especially not in a system he's familiar with. He's flopped once in the WC and it's always possible that he'll flop again.
In fact, Chelsea have no problem scoring goals this season. Many players share the responsibility of scoring goals and that's only a positive sign. If they really want to improve their attacking, they should find an upgrade to Kante to maintain their fluidity and creativity instead.
I think the best German players will always be at Bayern Munich and Dortmund. That's the reason why Premier league tend to get flopped germans.
I stand by my prediction, might bite me in the future, but Werner will have little to decent impact in the Premier league.
Klinsmann was the player of the year in his first year though? Would say he was a success for Tottenham in both spells. Ozil was great if you take out the last two years where he was been crap.
I think the reason that we don't have many Germans is that the time the Premier League reached the top of European football, in the mid 00's, coincided with the decline of German football. Before, in the 80's and 90's, when Germany also produced some top level players, Germans generally moved to the Serie A, which provided the most attractive/high-level football in Europe.
Yeah I said Klinnsman was good. Might be the way I worded it. Ozil I feel has been mixed with pretty much no consistency.
He starts for Red Bull in an hour. Be interesting to see how he does.
Hope he doesn't suffer a bad injury
Indeed. Chelsea might have to get Sancho then.
Some of you lot on here, I swear.Shit so far. Call it off.
A good player but not one I'm sad we've missed out on. I'm hoping our long term striker target is Haaland.
Another case of Pep or Money
Had a pretty bad second half. Was playing all alone but missed two really good chances so give his team the second goal. Now they conceded and have drawn the game.
Not the first time this season he fecked his team because of poor finishing.
Leipzig are saying Chelsea haven't activated the release clause or reached an agreement with them yet.
The pace to get to that ball..
Apparently hes performing well above his XG. So does that mean he can't sustain it or do all top strikers do better since theyre an elite band of finishers?
Apparently hes performing well above his XG. So does that mean he can't sustain it or do all top strikers do better since theyre an elite band of finishers?
Did he say his goodbyes to the fans?
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I'll answer the second part first - Elite strikers generally overachieve their xG but it's by maybe 2-3 goals a season mostly because these strikers are elite as they manage to find themselves in elite positions. For example - over the last 6 seasons, Ron has scored 8 goals more than what was expected off him (and that's primarily because of the goals scored via his head; if you remove the contribution from his headers, he's actually underachieving by 0.6 goals over 6 seasons), Aguero 6.5. Kane (overachieving by 22 goals) and Lewandowski (underachieving by 7 goals) are outliers here and that's primarily because of 1 great/poor season. Messi is another exception who has overachieved the xG (by 35 goals) but that's more because he's so good in scoring from outside the 18 yard box (where xG assigns a lower value to the shot) and he's been overachieving those shots by 17.4 goals.
Now about Werner - he's overachieving this season by close to 3 goals - nothing extraordinary. But the question is if he'd find himself these sort of opportunities because PL teams just don't play ridiculously high defensive lines which helps players that possess lots of pace. In terms of finishing ability, I'd say that would remain roughly similar - as in if he's overachieving his xG by say 10%, it'd remain close to 10%. As an analog, I'll probably bring up the case of Auba - He's performed close to +/- 3 goals every season for the last 6 seasons except this one. However, what's interesting to note in his case is the xG90 column which has gone down since his move to Arsenal by close to 25%, and that's what I'd expect to happen in Werner's case as well especially as I'd expect similar levels of service at both Chelsea and Leipzig (Leipzig have 70 xG in 30 games, while Chelsea has 56xG in 29 games - basically a 20% difference in xG here which is roughly the difference in Arsenal's and BVB's xG difference in the season Auba joined)
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Just let it be
Thanks for the detailed answer. Makes a lot of sense.
Not surprising seeing as yesterday both Bild and Kicker said we were still discussing whether to pay the fee in one or two installments. Barring any late hiccups, think it gets announced next week perhaps, which seems to be Honigstein's opinion, too. don't think its like Spain where the player has to deposit the clause either
Well, if you take the circumstances into consideration, i don't think that Ballack was a disappointment tbh. When he arrived he was 30 already and he had to adapt to a whole new position and standing. Until this point he was a classic 10 for Bayern and Germany, over here known as the most dangerous (goal scoring) midfielder in the world and the leader of his teams. But Chelsea already had Lampard filling the very same role and Ballack joined as a supporting 6. He changed his whole playstyle, and still did well.
Werner was not good enough for Bayern to sign him even for cheap last year. He wanted to join Bayern desperately but they still refused (even though they really want german players as you know). He is a decent scorer, and very fast, but he has not enough to offer to play for the very best. I think he will do okay for Chelsea, if used right maybe even good. But he will not dominate the league or make them a title contender on his own.
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Is the Chelsea Twitter trolling with this headline?
The kid's name is Faustino and he does shorten it to "Tino" but I reckon they're having a bit of fun at those waiting for Timo!
The kid's name is Faustino and he does shorten it to "Tino" but I reckon they're having a bit of fun at those waiting for Timo!
Werner is more effective playing in counter attack side. Lampard’s Chelsea isn’t a counter attack team, let’s see how he’ll get the best out of Werner.
Good for them.
Up until this season this was broadly true but Nagelsmann has done a lot to improve Werner's game in possession and it has really shown. RBL aren't a purely counterattacking team at this point. If Werner is playing up top as a 9 I think this would still hold water but in his current (and likely future) inside left role he drops deeper into midfield to contribute to buildup play - his passing numbers into the box are elite. Combined with his obvious pace and threat to run in behind he's really become a complete player.
Oh great sine I’ve mentioned Xg. How I’ve missed that. In fact it’s probably an over achieving elite level of missing something
What makes me think this is true more than anything is the drastic u turn from the liverpool camp on werner.
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