Time to stand by Rangnick

For a longest time, we finally have someone who knows how to build a football club and we need to stick to the original plan. So that we don't waste money on players like AWB and Macguire in the future.
If anyone else at the club had a single clue, we wouldn't be in this mess.
 
I've stood by him since the start. His record in building club structures is unblemished, it doesn't matter that he's not the best actual manager in the world.

I'm expecting him to help select our next manager and hand that person a comprehensive dossier on our squad and where it needs to be improved. The club has to give him the backing to do that.
 
Don't know much about his previous work I must admit. Just a vague understanding of certain things he is done in the past.

I liked his appointment because I will always hold unto the belief there are other managers in football yet to have the opportunity to manage reputable clubs but don't have the PR machine to keep ramming them down our throats.

Watching us under him gives me a sense of a man that has an identity/philosophy on how the game should be played. That for me is a United man and not trophy count. He is really grown on me and would love see his continued involvement here.
 
Yes, I hope the board is serious about his consultant role. And take his inputs seriously. He is in an excellent position to advise the board and the new manager about the current situation of the squad and the club, and we should make use of that.
 
fallengt said:
For a longest time, we finally have someone who knows how to build a football club and we need to stick to the original plan. So that we don't waste money on players like AWB and Macguire in the future.
If anyone else at the club had a single clue, we wouldn't be in this mess.
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We also wouldn't have Rangnick as our manager...
 
UpWithRivers said:
Rangnick has been getting some sht about the performances recently and everyone wants him gone in summer. There are also people like Mica Richards saying his reputation will be damaged when he moves upstairs and why did we hire an interim etc. But I think now is the time the fans should stick by him and support him. He is neck deep in this pile of infested sht that is Man Utd and we, the fans should support him while he tries to squeeze the pus and sht out. Thats the only way we are ever going to get out of this never ending circle of mediocracy. Even if another manager comes in then these fkn useless bunch of clown footballers that cant even be arsed to put up a fight against our rivals City need to be knocked off their fkn perch. Its going to be ugly. Its going to be brutal. We might come 8th next season. Who knows. But its a cancer running through every part of our club and we cant stand for it any longer. It makes me sick. If you cant be fkn arsed to fight or the badge then there's the door. I dont care if your name is Rashford or anyone else. Fk off. Rangnick is doing Gods work and no matter what happens I will always hold him in the highest esteem for coming to help us and wading in neck deep in this fking sht show that is United.
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Great post. But here in lies the problem, as a club we are guided largely by short-termism. Where was the long term strategic planning that guided the appointment of David Moyes? A man who believed that Rio Ferdinand had things to learn from Phil Jagielka and who as United manager stated that '"we need to be harder to beat". If reports are to be believed, his appointment was based purely on the recommendation of Sir Alex Ferguson, without any of the due diligence that one might have expected for an appointment to one of the biggest clubs in the world. Where was the long term strategic planning that guided the appointment of Jose Mourinho? A man who notoriously does not spend more than three years anywhere, never builds anything and has a penchant for falling out with the board and owners? Where was the longer term strategic planning that guided the appointment of Ole Gunnar Solksjaer? Steered purely by an initial set of very impressive results, it became fairly clear thereafter that Ole lacked the tactical competence and sophistication to revive United's fortunes.

Last week people wanted Ralf out, today we want Ralf in, then when we get pumped again, we will want Ralf out and so the madness will continue. All the while our rivals City and Liverpool, learning from our blunders, are likely to have already identified the replacements for Pep and Klopp respectively. All I want is some purpose and direction. A proper strategic plan and appointments at every level of the club, that are not reactive but are made by competent people and informed by thoughtful reasoning and logical evaluation and undertaken to serve the best interests of the club. Is that too much to ask?
 
izec said:
Because the club doesnt want to give an interim money to spend.
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He's staying on at United for another 2 years. He should be allowed by rebuild the team - at least start with a couple of signings to get us CL football next season. I don't think he's your regular interim - unless he is.
 
We just need someone to steer the ship and I am sure we will be fighting for trophies in next 3 years…

Forward: As much as it’s a concern, I think with disposing right players, we can come out better. Remember after all, 90% chance we won’t have CL next year so fewer games.

Cavani leaving, Greenwood gone unless there is a miracle, Ronaldo as good as he is, he will be 1 year older.Rashford, not a forward and ideally be sold if there is a decent offer. Martial (unless there is no good striker option in the market, we keep else we sell, let’s assume we sell him for this discussion)…

Both Rashford and Martial will bring 90m or so for sure!! I am sure we can get a proper close to WC striker who can score 20-30 goals a season for this amount of money… question is, do we have right people to identify that striker and convince them to play for United..
Hopefully Ronaldo stays with or without CL as he will still give enough goals. If he leaves, we get a back up striker (someone out of contract?)…. Minimal or no net spend to sort out situation out!!

Midfield: Pogba (let go plz, too much money for too little impact)… Matic and Mata (too old let them go)…Lingard (gone), Sell Donney (30m?)… Keep Fred, Scott and add 1 proper MF for a total outlay of 70-80m (50net post Donney) and bring couple of kids (we have talent) from academy!!

Wingers: Sancho, Elanga only…. Need one proper LEft side winger (60-70m)..

Defence: Biggest issue…. Ideally sell Maguire, Baily, Jones, ABW for a total of 100m? And get a proper CB and a right back for a total outlay of 120m? Net 20m

GK: Sell Henderson (35m) and replace with a decent back up (15m)…. So positive 20m..

I know it’s not easy but desperate times needs desperate measures and proper planning!!
 
I thought it was a bit sad that two players that have thrown strop from not being in the side last week in rashford and ronaldo, that they were afforded a starting place despite their poor behaviour, it doesn't sent a good message for the squad taking ragnick seriously
 
He is doing a decent job keeping the seat warm in a tough situation.

But the desire of some to excessively praise and excessively criticise him is weird.

The media stuff is easy when he knows it won't be his problem in a few weeks.
 
Lee565 said:
I thought it was a bit sad that two players that have thrown strop from not being in the side last week in rashford and ronaldo, that they were afforded a starting place despite their poor behaviour, it doesn't sent a good message for the squad taking ragnick seriously
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Ronaldo' s poor behaviour certainly did the trick. He should do it more often.
 
Dr. Dwayne said:
Stand by your Rang(nick)
He'll squeeze the pus and shit out
It's how we're gonna get out
From mediocrity

Stand by your Rang(nick)
And show the world we love him
He's doing God's work, he's our man
Stand by your Rang(nick)

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:lol:
 
Tiber said:
He is doing a decent job keeping the seat warm in a tough situation.

But the desire of some to excessively praise and excessively criticise him is weird.

The media stuff is easy when he knows it won't be his problem in a few weeks.
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Considering he is continuing to help shape the team and club in the next role, I think its in his best interest to complete all facets of his job diligently.
 
Gurtej said:
We just need someone to steer the ship and I am sure we will be fighting for trophies in next 3 years…

Forward: As much as it’s a concern, I think with disposing right players, we can come out better. Remember after all, 90% chance we won’t have CL next year so fewer games.

Cavani leaving, Greenwood gone unless there is a miracle, Ronaldo as good as he is, he will be 1 year older.Rashford, not a forward and ideally be sold if there is a decent offer. Martial (unless there is no good striker option in the market, we keep else we sell, let’s assume we sell him for this discussion)…

Both Rashford and Martial will bring 90m or so for sure!! I am sure we can get a proper close to WC striker who can score 20-30 goals a season for this amount of money… question is, do we have right people to identify that striker and convince them to play for United..
Hopefully Ronaldo stays with or without CL as he will still give enough goals. If he leaves, we get a back up striker (someone out of contract?)…. Minimal or no net spend to sort out situation out!!

Midfield: Pogba (let go plz, too much money for too little impact)… Matic and Mata (too old let them go)…Lingard (gone), Sell Donney (30m?)… Keep Fred, Scott and add 1 proper MF for a total outlay of 70-80m (50net post Donney) and bring couple of kids (we have talent) from academy!!

Wingers: Sancho, Elanga only…. Need one proper LEft side winger (60-70m)..

Defence: Biggest issue…. Ideally sell Maguire, Baily, Jones, ABW for a total of 100m? And get a proper CB and a right back for a total outlay of 120m? Net 20m

GK: Sell Henderson (35m) and replace with a decent back up (15m)…. So positive 20m..

I know it’s not easy but desperate times needs desperate measures and proper planning!!
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If Rangnick can get us 90m combined for both of them, they should name a stand in Old Trafford after him.

If he can get a further 100m from selling Maguire, Jones, Bailly and AWB, we should just rename the club after him.

It'll be a bloody miracle.
 
fastwalker said:
Great post. But here in lies the problem, as a club we are guided largely by short-termism. Where was the long term strategic planning that guided the appointment of David Moyes? A man who believed that Rio Ferdinand had things to learn from Phil Jagielka and who as United manager stated that '"we need to be harder to beat". If reports are to be believed, his appointment was based purely on the recommendation of Sir Alex Ferguson, without any of the due diligence that one might have expected for an appointment to one of the biggest clubs in the world. Where was the long term strategic planning that guided the appointment of Jose Mourinho? A man who notoriously does not spend more than three years anywhere, never builds anything and has a penchant for falling out with the board and owners? Where was the longer term strategic planning that guided the appointment of Ole Gunnar Solksjaer? Steered purely by an initial set of very impressive results, it became fairly clear thereafter that Ole lacked the tactical competence and sophistication to revive United's fortunes.

Last week people wanted Ralf out, today we want Ralf in, then when we get pumped again, we will want Ralf out and so the madness will continue. All the while our rivals City and Liverpool, learning from our blunders, are likely to have already identified the replacements for Pep and Klopp respectively. All I want is some purpose and direction. A proper strategic plan and appointments at every level of the club, that are not reactive but are made by competent people and informed by thoughtful reasoning and logical evaluation and undertaken to serve the best interests of the club. Is that too much to ask?
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Well exactly what this post is about. We turn on Ralf every time he hits a bump but you cannot clear a pile of sht without getting sht on you. The beauty of Ralf is that he has built clubs. Not just managing but the foundations the walls and the roof. Everything. No manager we got in would understand the whole complexity of the club. Ralf does. He is like our DOF that we have lacked for so long. Richard Arnold might do something differently, they did hire Ralf after all but he has been at United for so long he probably drowned in sht so long ago. Howsen did a post saying 'Blessed are the men who plant trees that they will never sit under the shade of'. This is Ralf. We need this strategic plan that you talk of and I just hope everyone in the club just sits down and listens to everything he says. If he says he should stay as manager then he should stay as manager. If he says give it to Poch then do it. Hire the people behind the scenes that he tells you to. Build the foundations and set the standards. It will be a long painful road but its the only way forward and the fans need to stick by him through the painful times. At the moment most of what he is doing is just fighting fires and trying not to sink the whole fkng ship but come summer I am sure he will tell those in charge exactly what they should do and I just hope they friggin listen. Im not saying he is the second coming of Sir Alex and maybe he is not right as a manager but I trust him more than those idiots we have behind the scenes that as you have pointed out have shown total ineptitude for years and years and I trust him more than the players that have thrown manager after manager under the bus and cant even be arsed to run.
 
If by stand by Ralf you mean that his fredback from managing the squad should be actioned in his consultancy role, then sure.

He's had enough time to know the personalities and player profiles and ability. There should be no room for players being kept for the new manager to assess as this is how we've held on to consistently crap players for years.

Any player he deems not good enough should be sold before a new manager comes.

If you mean stand by him as our manager going forward then I strongly disagree.
 
elmo said:
If Rangnick can get us 90m combined for both of them, they should name a stand in Old Trafford after him.

If he can get a further 100m from selling Maguire, Jones, Bailly and AWB, we should just rename the club after him.

It'll be a bloody miracle.
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I think Rashford 50m and Martial 40m is too much to ask for specially given their age!! I think min 80m for both is very doable …. Irrespective of form, they both are good options for a lot of teams…

On defence I think, 40m combined for AWB and Bailey…. And 40-50m for Macquire (new castle?) isn’t-dreaming either … very doable but again we need proper planning…
 
Gurtej said:
I think Rashford 50m and Martial 40m is too much to ask for specially given their age!! I think min 80m for both is very doable …. Irrespective of form, they both are good options for a lot of teams…

On defence I think, 40m combined for AWB and Bailey…. And 40-50m for Macquire (new castle?) isn’t-dreaming either … very doable but again we need proper planning…
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If PSG shift a load of players, maybe we could point them all in their direction.
 
I don't think it can be mentioned often enough, just how awful his working conditions have been.

To name a few:
- Extremely limited quality options up front. Greenwood lost, Rashford in dire straits, Ronaldo up-and-down, Cavani mostly out, Pogba out for a significant period. Thankfully, Sancho and Elanga have stepped up.
- He is half-forced to play Maguire, because he is our captain (which he did not decide). Some will say he can simply bench him, but that comes at a cost of negative media stories and potential dressing room disruption. Not an easy choice, to be fair to Ralfy.
- Midfield is awful. We are forced to play either McT or Fred just as a result of our current squad, but both can produce absolute stinkers at any time. Has little to do with coaching - it is simply their quality.

I think he has done a pretty good job with what's available to him. Sure, some line-ups and subs have been questionable, but you would get that from any manager. There have been periods where our approach has been much more clear than under any time during Ole's reign of terror, and I appreciate his directness in his interviews. I have a lot of time for him actually.
 
El Jefe said:
If by stand by Ralf you mean that his fredback from managing the squad should be actioned in his consultancy role, then sure.

He's had enough time to know the personalities and player profiles and ability. There should be no room for players being kept for the new manager to assess as this is how we've held on to consistently crap players for years.

Any player he deems not good enough should be sold before a new manager comes.

If you mean stand by him as our manager going forward then I strongly disagree.
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Who do you trust in the Manchester board and organization as a whole to make a decision on the next manager? There is a 99 percent chance they will fk it up. So who do we listen to to make this decision. Who do we trust. For me the only person we have that is A) A football person through and through and B) Has not been part of the shower of sht that we are is Ralf. If he says get Poch get Poch. If he says Ten Haag then get Ten Haag. If he says he should stay on then he should stay on. Maybe it wont work but I'd take his advice over the board who are criminally inept and clueless.
 
For all intents and purposes rangnicks hands have been tied, on one hand we have the players and on the other the board which didn't give him funds for the transfer market.
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
I want him permanently as manager if we can't get eth
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I don't think he will ever be a top manager. This is his biggest gig by far, and in the last three months it was obvious he was learning on the job. I have no problems with him in a consultancy role but managing a top side to challenge for the title in the most competitive league in the world (and against multiple oil clubs) is a completely different story.

As for this thread, I don't think anyone ever seriously wanted to sack him before the summer. It's not like an ETH or a Tuchel is free and available, so we are essentially stuck with him and therefore have no choice but to stand by him. Don't think he is the one to take us back though, because even at Leipzig where he is revered, as soon as he steadied the ship he stepped aside for an actual manager to take over.
 
I think he is mostly backed. Most observers within our fanbase realise the predicament we were in and were reasonable enough not to expect him to wave a wand.

However, if he doesn't achieve CL football that would be a massive disappointment. There's no avoiding that. That was an achievable goal, not beyond the squad. I think if we don't quite manage that it does slightly hurt his credibility moving forward. Of course it doesn't make him a worse "consultant" necessarily, but it would be rather inauspicious.
 
UpWithRivers said:
Who do you trust in the Manchester board and organization as a whole to make a decision on the next manager? There is a 99 percent chance they will fk it up. So who do we listen to to make this decision. Who do we trust. For me the only person we have that is A) A football person through and through and B) Has not been part of the shower of sht that we are is Ralf. If he says get Poch get Poch. If he says Ten Haag then get Ten Haag. If he says he should stay on then he should stay on. Maybe it wont work but I'd take his advice over the board who are criminally inept and clueless.
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100%.
 
2 man midfield said:
Hard to have this attitude when he’s gone in may though. If he was the permanent boss I’d say back him with cash and let him ship out 10 players if he so wishes, but the dynamic makes it tricky.
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Not really - fans showing support for Rangnick sends a very clear message to players that they can't keep latching on to excuses like managerial uncertainty. If anything, that should be inspiring them to work harder and perform better, but this group of wasters will use any excuse to avoid accepting their share of the blame.
 
Fitchett said:
We simply must support Rangnick to the hilt. He has been our most important signing in years. Back him to weed out the dross, whingers, skivers, posers and mercenaries and back him with a rebuild to get us serious contenders again for the PL and CL. Tommy Docherty did it in the mid 1970's, Ralf needs to be backed in 2022 and beyond.
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This is an interesting analogy. The Doc inherited a bloated ageing squad including the Holy Trinity of Best, Charlton and Law and shipped them out together with under achievers such as Ted McDougall, Ian Storey Moore, Brian Kidd and Willie Morgan. Then replaced them with young hungry players like Steve Coppell, Gordon Hill, Lou Macari, Gerry Daly, Stuart Pearson and completely revitalised the team. After getting promoted back to Division 1 in the 1975/76 season we came 3rd and got to the FA Cup final.

I'm intrigued to see what Ralf could do with a pre season and a summer transfer window. If we get 4th place surely he deserves a chance?
 
fastwalker said:
Great post. But here in lies the problem, as a club we are guided largely by short-termism. Where was the long term strategic planning that guided the appointment of David Moyes? A man who believed that Rio Ferdinand had things to learn from Phil Jagielka and who as United manager stated that '"we need to be harder to beat". If reports are to be believed, his appointment was based purely on the recommendation of Sir Alex Ferguson, without any of the due diligence that one might have expected for an appointment to one of the biggest clubs in the world. Where was the long term strategic planning that guided the appointment of Jose Mourinho? A man who notoriously does not spend more than three years anywhere, never builds anything and has a penchant for falling out with the board and owners? Where was the longer term strategic planning that guided the appointment of Ole Gunnar Solksjaer? Steered purely by an initial set of very impressive results, it became fairly clear thereafter that Ole lacked the tactical competence and sophistication to revive United's fortunes.

Last week people wanted Ralf out, today we want Ralf in, then when we get pumped again, we will want Ralf out and so the madness will continue. All the while our rivals City and Liverpool, learning from our blunders, are likely to have already identified the replacements for Pep and Klopp respectively. All I want is some purpose and direction. A proper strategic plan and appointments at every level of the club, that are not reactive but are made by competent people and informed by thoughtful reasoning and logical evaluation and undertaken to serve the best interests of the club. Is that too much to ask?
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Top post.

Whole heartedly agree.
 
BigRon1985 said:
This is an interesting analogy. The Doc inherited a bloated ageing squad including the Holy Trinity of Best, Charlton and Law and shipped them out together with under achievers such as Ted McDougall, Ian Storey Moore, Brian Kidd and Willie Morgan. Then replaced them with young hungry players like Steve Coppell, Gordon Hill, Lou Macari, Gerry Daly, Stuart Pearson and completely revitalised the team. After getting promoted back to Division 1 in the 1975/76 season we came 3rd and got to the FA Cup final.

I'm intrigued to see what Ralf could do with a pre season and a summer transfer window. If we get 4th place surely he deserves a chance?
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Players were never going to respect a bloke who's only come in for six months especially some of our lot. He should've been given longer and cash to shape the team. It's as if he's been told to fight Iron Mike during his heyday with both arms tied back. Why? Whhyyy? But whyyyyyy?
 
Rangnick has been incredibly average. The fact that we find ourselves potentially so far behind fecking Arsenal after the run of games we had is abysmal.
 
Garethw said:
Rangnick has been incredibly average. The fact that we find ourselves potentially so far behind fecking Arsenal after the run of games we had is abysmal.
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Don't think he's had the best hand, but people here seem so willing to accept mediocrity. There is every chance another manager would have us in a better place. Yes, we all have issues with the attitude of the squad and our midfield is terrible. Doesn't mean we should be up against it for top 4. Our squad is clearly better than Spurs in Arsenal
 
Garethw said:
Rangnick has been incredibly average. The fact that we find ourselves potentially so far behind fecking Arsenal after the run of games we had is abysmal.
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We have the worst midfield of any team in the top half of the table. The board threw the towel in for this season by not signing a DM for Ralf in January. Maguire having an absolute shocker of a season isn't helping either.
 
Garethw said:
Rangnick has been incredibly average. The fact that we find ourselves potentially so far behind fecking Arsenal after the run of games we had is abysmal.
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tjb said:
Don't think he's had the best hand, but people here seem so willing to accept mediocrity. There is every chance another manager would have us in a better place. Yes, we all have issues with the attitude of the squad and our midfield is terrible. Doesn't mean we should be up against it for top 4. Our squad is clearly better than Spurs in Arsenal
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Maybe another manager would be able to get this team that refuses to run and fight to perform. Maybe he would get them to stop going to the press. Maybe he would all of a sudden get Maguire to play to half his fee. Maybe he would get Bruno back to last Januarys form. Maybe he would get Rashford to do something. Maybe he would get Shaw back on form. Maybe he would somehow gel a midfield that gets overrun time and time again. Maybe he would find an extra 20 goals from somewhere. Maybe he would sort our RB situation. Maybe he would stop the team giving away goals. Maybe he would stop us getting battered by sht teams. Maybe he would have foreseen Greenwood being a fkn areshole. Maybe he would have got Martial and VDB to be happy as sht and playing to their potential.
Maybe just maybe the other manager would be 20 points ahead of Arsenal at this point and looking like a world class team. Maybe they would all love eachother and be happy as pigs in sht. MAybe he could have gotten an extra 5-10 games from Cavani. Maybe he could have forced the board to buy a world class midfielder in January.

Personally I just dont see it.
 
I like that he tells it how it is, no sweet bullshit.

If we can't get Ten Haag in the summer I hope we keep him.
 
UpWithRivers said:
Maybe another manager would be able to get this team that refuses to run and fight to perform. Maybe he would get them to stop going to the press. Maybe he would all of a sudden get Maguire to play to half his fee. Maybe he would get Bruno back to last Januarys form. Maybe he would get Rashford to do something. Maybe he would get Shaw back on form. Maybe he would somehow gel a midfield that gets overrun time and time again. Maybe he would find an extra 20 goals from somewhere. Maybe he would sort our RB situation. Maybe he would stop the team giving away goals. Maybe he would stop us getting battered by sht teams. Maybe he would have foreseen Greenwood being a fkn areshole. Maybe he would have got Martial and VDB to be happy as sht and playing to their potential.
Maybe just maybe the other manager would be 20 points ahead of Arsenal at this point and looking like a world class team. Maybe they would all love eachother and be happy as pigs in sht. MAybe he could have gotten an extra 5-10 games from Cavani. Maybe he could have forced the board to buy a world class midfielder in January.

Personally I just dont see it.
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So if Moyes had to deal with this lot, would that excuse him from not getting results. This is still another form of "give the manager 4 years to build his squad and let's see".The truth is, Rangnick hasn't don't anything tactically outstanding since he came in. He hasn't done anything to prove that he should be our manager long term. People seem to be clutching at straws hoping that his direct manner will lead to a clear out and reshape of the squad. The hope has nothing to do with either performance or results so far. Mourinho was direct, as was LVG, but at the end of the day, no matter how strict and direct the managers are in communication, it's on pitch performances that should tell the story.
 
Rozay said:
I love him. Every press conference is compelling, and he talks football with an honesty and clarity not many do.
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Every time he speaks he is honest and won't lie to protect a players fragile state of mind or poor attitude.

It's refreshing in 2022
 
Blood Mage said:
We have the worst midfield of any team in the top half of the table. The board threw the towel in for this season by not signing a DM for Ralf in January. Maguire having an absolute shocker of a season isn't helping either.
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So? That's not a reason you should give a manager one of the biggest jobs in football. Any manager we hired in Novemeber would have had to face that situation. Ole faced that situation for 3 years. Doesn't mean you give them the job. Ironically, this is actually how Ole stayed on in 2019. We gave him a really low bar to meet and then made excuses for him due to what he had to deal with.

Chelsea have had interim managers come and go. So have Bayern. The key is to let them steady the team enough for a new manager to have a clean slate coming in the next year. I get that we're not used to sacking managers mid season, so clutch to any sign of stability we can get. However this isn't our man. We need a manager with fresh ideas that has successfully implemented tactics in the modern game with reasonable success. Doesn't mean they've won, but have implemented it in a way that fans can see and that bring good results. ETH, Poch, Luis Enrique even Potter. There are many looking for that step up. Rangnick is useful. He gives us a diagnoses that we can use to fix our squad for seasons to come in his consultancy, but that is where the relationship should end. As a club, we are far too romantic with any manager we have.
 
fastwalker said:
Great post. But here in lies the problem, as a club we are guided largely by short-termism. Where was the long term strategic planning that guided the appointment of David Moyes? A man who believed that Rio Ferdinand had things to learn from Phil Jagielka and who as United manager stated that '"we need to be harder to beat". If reports are to be believed, his appointment was based purely on the recommendation of Sir Alex Ferguson, without any of the due diligence that one might have expected for an appointment to one of the biggest clubs in the world. Where was the long term strategic planning that guided the appointment of Jose Mourinho? A man who notoriously does not spend more than three years anywhere, never builds anything and has a penchant for falling out with the board and owners? Where was the longer term strategic planning that guided the appointment of Ole Gunnar Solksjaer? Steered purely by an initial set of very impressive results, it became fairly clear thereafter that Ole lacked the tactical competence and sophistication to revive United's fortunes.

Last week people wanted Ralf out, today we want Ralf in, then when we get pumped again, we will want Ralf out and so the madness will continue. All the while our rivals City and Liverpool, learning from our blunders, are likely to have already identified the replacements for Pep and Klopp respectively. All I want is some purpose and direction. A proper strategic plan and appointments at every level of the club, that are not reactive but are made by competent people and informed by thoughtful reasoning and logical evaluation and undertaken to serve the best interests of the club. Is that too much to ask?
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Re Moyes, if you were being very cynical you could say, Fergie never wanted anyone to be a real success after he left.

Also, he didn't join until July and had no communication with Woodward prior re transfers and it was a complete mess.

Moyes should have left Everton the moment he agreed to join and he has admitted that now.

Problem was, they carried on same approach with Giggs, LVG, Jose, Ole, Carrick and now Ralf.

I think by now, Sir Alex would want someone to come in and put the club back on top again.
 
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