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United Pro said:
I don't watch too much of PSG, but do you reckon Rabiot can be turned into a CDM? From the little I've seen of him, I feel like he's technically good enough, but perhaps doesn't have the agility and engine to play as a box to box.
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Rabiot can play DM quite well but he doesn't have the vision and passing consistency of a DLP, he may evolve into this role in his late 20s like Thiago Motta did. He's more of an all-around midfielder than a specialist at the moment.
 
BBRBB said:
Rabiot can play DM quite well but he doesn't have the vision and passing consistency of a DLP, he may evolve into this role in his late 20s like Thiago Motta did. He's more of an all-around midfielder than a specialist at the moment.
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Yes, that's pretty much what I thought. Who are PSG reportedly after as a new CDM and do you reckon Krychowiak will be available in the summer?
 
United Pro said:
Yes, that's pretty much what I thought. Who are PSG reportedly after as a new CDM and do you reckon Krychowiak will be available in the summer?
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Most people expect Krychowiak to leave as he's even behind Nkunku in the pecking order now. No very strong links for DMs at the moment, stupid season hasn't started for us yet. We've been linked with Weigl and Dahoud last summer, not sure if we might try again. Motta looked 100% sure to leave but hinted that he might stay another year recently. We also have a very talented 19yo DLP named Callegari from the academy who doesn't play for the first team yet but may eventually be good enough for us.
 
BBRBB said:
Most people expect Krychowiak to leave as he's even behind Nkunku in the pecking order now. No very strong links for DMs at the moment, stupid season hasn't started for us yet. We've been linked with Weigl and Dahoud last summer, not sure if we might try again. Motta looked 100% sure to leave but hinted that he might stay another year recently. We also have a very talented 19yo DLP named Callegari from the academy who doesn't play for the first team yet but may eventually be good enough for us.
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I wouldn't mind Krychowiak here at all. That's the thing with CDM's, there are very few top quality ones available and I feel like both PSG with Motta and us with Carrick are struggling to find a proper replacement. I just did a quick search of Lorenzo Callegari and apart from his Italian sounding first name, he's only got 1 year left on his contract, so if he's highly rated, I wouldn't be surprised to see him in a Juventus kit soon.
 
If Mourinho sees Bakayoko as the 'perfect Carrick replacement' then one of two things are true. Jose has fluked his way to managerial success while knowing feck all about football, or David McDonnell is a clueless journalist failing at his job.

One of those things is more likely than the other.
 
There is a guy at Lyon who I think would be better for us Tolliso is his name. Bakayoko is a good player but replace Carrick? He could never do the job of Carrick.
 
I think you lot are being far too literal with the idea of him 'replacing Carrick'. It's quite possible for a player to take his place without having to do everything identically to him.
 
Brophs said:
I think you lot are being far too literal with the idea of him 'replacing Carrick'. It's quite possible for a player to take his place without having to do everything identically to him.
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Yep, that definitely seems to be case in this thread. A perfect Carrick replacement, in my eyes, is a DM that makes us more solid and gives Pogba more and out attacking players more freedom to focus on offence rather than defence. It doesn't need to be a like-for-like. Kante would have been a great buy for us last summer, but he's not a Carrick clone either.
 
Andersons Dietion said:
There is a guy at Lyon who I think would be better for us Tolliso is his name. Bakayoko is a good player but replace Carrick? He could never do the job of Carrick.
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Feck yes, I am firmly in the Tolisso camp. Not a DM though but more of a box2box like Ander who loves his interceptions.

Him and Fabinho and we'd be covered in CM for 10 years.
 
SwansonsTache said:
Feck yes, I am firmly in the Tolisso camp. Not a DM though but more of a box2box like Ander who loves his interceptions.

Him and Fabinho and we'd be covered in CM for 10 years.
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I've only just recently noticed him having watched a bit more of Lyon. Agree he isn't a DM but I'd rather he than Bakayoko. I'm not a fan of Fabinho I'm afraid. Don't really rate him all that much. Good penalty taker.

There is actually a player called Dahoud that if we need a more general CM I'd rather get but I'm sure I read today he has agreed to go to Dortmund and has rejected Liverpool.
 
Brophs said:
I think you lot are being far too literal with the idea of him 'replacing Carrick'. It's quite possible for a player to take his place without having to do everything identically to him.
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That's true. The phrase should be amended to 'complement Pogba', and not 'replace Carrick'. Still, Bakayoko does neither in this case.
 
Andersons Dietion said:
I've only just recently noticed him having watched a bit more of Lyon. Agree he isn't a DM but I'd rather he than Bakayoko. I'm not a fan of Fabinho I'm afraid. Don't really rate him all that much. Good penalty taker.

There is actually a player called Dahoud that if we need a more general CM I'd rather get but I'm sure I read today he has agreed to go to Dortmund and has rejected Liverpool.
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Have a Lyon supporting friend that has been raging about him constantly, now I've seen some Lyon matches with this friend and I can certainly see what he is on about.

Not premiership proven or anything, but from what I saw he would be an upgrade on Herrera, and at the bare minimum healthy competition for him. Physique wise he is superior to Herrera, also his passing range and goal threat are better. As I've stated previously he loves his interceptions as well and doesn't shy away from defensive responsibility.

No rumours about him though, read that Juventus were interested and I deffo think that if we let this one slip it will be another steal for Juve.

We'll need both a DM and an addition b2b if we are to continue this 3 man midfield thing, actually just playing 2 mids we still need two mids since Fellaini can't be anything else than a battering ram and last ditch solution.

I have no actual idea about Fabinho since I've only seen him against City, not seen enough to form an opinion but just threw his name out there since he seems to be in vogue at the moment, and quite frankly there isn't any available standout DM's around that are available.
 
SwansonsTache said:
Have a Lyon supporting friend that has been raging about him constantly, now I've seen some Lyon matches with this friend and I can certainly see what he is on about.

Not premiership proven or anything, but from what I saw he would be an upgrade on Herrera, and at the bare minimum healthy competition for him. Physique wise he is superior to Herrera, also his passing range and goal threat are better. As I've stated previously he loves his interceptions as well and doesn't shy away from defensive responsibility.

No rumours about him though, read that Juventus were interested and I deffo think that if we let this one slip it will be another steal for Juve.

We'll need both a DM and an addition b2b if we are to continue this 3 man midfield thing, actually just playing 2 mids we still need two mids since Fellaini can't be anything else than a battering ram and last ditch solution.

I have no actual idea about Fabinho since I've only seen him against City, not seen enough to form an opinion but just threw his name out there since he seems to be in vogue at the moment, and quite frankly there isn't any available standout DM's around that are available.
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I'm sure I read in an Mbappe article or France article that Barca have been keeping tabs on Tolliso. He really does look like a great player. Lyon have a few actually the whole French international squad is littered with exceptional talents.

I'd agree on the no outstanding DM's available. Problem is I think Jose will want to go back to his 4231 and that complicates whom he signs.
I quite like William Carvalho but then Saul for me has always been touted as a DM coming through and I'd be interested to see how he does at the base of a 3.

Fabinho gets a lot of mention because most people think DM then see his goal tally. He takes a lot of penalties. He's a good footballer but he isn't top drawer.
 
Adisa said:
He's not a DM
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This! Same as Kante isn't either, these type of box to box ball winners are not what we need for Pogba, we need a proper holding CM, even if he doesn't have Carrick's passing game he needs to at least have the disciplined defensive acumen to provide a safety net for Pogba and protection for the back 4.
 
I would take anything The Mirror, and their sister site MEN say with a pinch of salt. Luckhurst and his cronies are certified bullshit peddlers.
 
Devil may care said:
This! Same as Kante isn't either, these type of box to box ball winners are not what we need for Pogba, we need a proper holding CM, even if he doesn't have Carrick's passing game he needs to at least have the disciplined defensive acumen to provide a safety net for Pogba and protection for the back 4.
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The squad is currently short both a #6 to replace Carrick and a #8 to rotate with Herrera. Bakayoko (or similar) could, in my view, be an option as the #8, provided the #6 possesses the passing game to compensate (eg Weigl/Jorginho/Carvalho etc). The key is obviously finding the balance in midfield to give Pogba the platform to perform.

This all presupposes a midfield-three of course...
 
Infra-red said:
The squad is currently short both a #6 to replace Carrick and a #8 to rotate with Herrera. Bakayoko (or similar) could, in my view, be an option as the #8, provided the #6 possesses the passing game to compensate (eg Weigl/Jorginho/Carvalho etc). The key is obviously finding the balance in midfield to give Pogba the platform to perform.

This all presupposes a midfield-three of course...
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Ideally we could do with both I agree, although Bakayoko still wouldn't be on my list, but I don't think we'll buy 2 CM's this summer and we could give TFM some games in the role.
 
Replacement for Carrick doesn't necessarily mean like for like. It's funny because i bet everyone was saying the same think about Carrick being a "replacement for Keane", and now they're complaining because the next guy isn't a like for like "replacement for Carrick".
 
pocco said:
Replacement for Carrick doesn't necessarily mean like for like. It's funny because i bet everyone was saying the same think about Carrick being a "replacement for Keane", and now they're complaining because the next guy isn't a like for like "replacement for Carrick".
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Carrick's replacement as the #6 doesn't need to be great on the ball or even remotely similar to him, but there ideally needs to be someone somewhere in midfield with that passing range (and it's not Herrera).
 
pocco said:
Pogba?
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We surely want him doing damage higher up the pitch rather than sitting deep, screening the back four and spraying the ball around or running up and down breaking up play. Bakayoko would be okay for the latter role (he's essentially a more-physical, less-creative version of Herrera, a ball-winning box-to-box player).
 
Infra-red said:
The squad is currently short both a #6 to replace Carrick and a #8 to rotate with Herrera. Bakayoko (or similar) could, in my view, be an option as the #8, provided the #6 possesses the passing game to compensate (eg Weigl/Jorginho/Carvalho etc). The key is obviously finding the balance in midfield to give Pogba the platform to perform.

This all presupposes a midfield-three of course...
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Bakayoko would be costly & World Cup is coming soon. If someone who want to risk their chance at getting a call up for World Cup just for the increased salary; I would question the player's mentality. Paying handsomely for a rotation option just doesn't sound right.

Infra-red said:
We surely want him doing damage higher up the pitch rather than sitting deep, screening the back four and spraying the ball around or running up and down breaking up play. Bakayoko would be okay for the latter role (he's essentially a more-physical, less-creative version of Herrera, a ball-winning box-to-box player).
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Agree about Pogba should be less burdened in deeper position, but I'm not really sure about Bakayoko doing Herrera role right now. Herrera has been an revelation for this new role, exceeded expectation. It's risky to do it again to a guy who would have no PL experience (Herrera has been in for couple years); and that's not counting this Bakayoko guy's attribute which would be a no 8 than a holding midfielder
 
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Fabinho is much better and more of what we actually need.
 
Bwuk said:
Fabinho is much better and more of what we actually need.
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Bakayoko very rarely plays the more reserved role for Monaco, as he is often partnered with Fabinho.

Tonight, because Moutinho come in, Bakayoko played slightly deeper and did a very good job kf it.

I do agree that Fabinho is more what we need, though.
 
A pure DM is needed to get the best out of Pogba, as it gives him more freedom on the pitch on both sides of the ball. The DM doesnt have to have extensive passing range, but should be decent enouh to get the ball upfield when Pogba is closely marked.

Fabinho can be a very good DM but rumor is he prefers to go back to RB and favors ManCity
Bakayoko is more similar to Pogba and is not defensively sound enough to be a DM alongside Pogba
Matic also fits the bill but seems to have been dropping in form the last 2 seasons
 
Owned that midfield yesterday even though playing not in his best/preferred position!

Kind of Herrera type of player who covers a lot of ground but is no pure DM. Think we should go for him as he there are only few alternatives in the market and he has the ability to do the defensive job. Also I think Mou could do wonders to him in this respect.

Fabinho is Citeh bound so we need to look at others and for me Bakayoko is among the best we could actually get.
 
Fabinho isn't City bound, he's said before he'd love to play for United.
 
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