Three Spurs stars up for sale - who would all improve us

[Revan]

He won the Europa league though with a Porto side just like Mourinho however no one is looking for him to take over here are they?

Every decent manager like who? At the end of the day he's doing a great job for Spurs competing with teams like in no other league. If he was the manger of Bayern Munich or PSG i'm sure he would have titles to his name.

Did Benfica spend money like Porto at the time? Not gone back to confirm but i wouldn't be surprised if Mourinho was yet again in charge of the club with the most funds (Porto had a good business model and still do). I'm not taking nothing away from Mourinho by the way his track record is incredible.

1) Again you're ignoring that he won UCL, not only UEFA cup with Porto. No one is looking for Poch to take over some big club, right?

2) Spalleti, Ranieri, Jardim, Emeri etc. Good but not elite managers. He is doing a good job, but has stagnated and should have won something so far (be it the title on Leicester season, or FA Cup last season). I don't remember a single manager who won nothing on his first decade and then later started winning a lot. It just doesn't happen, in fact most of achievements happen on the first decade.

3) I have no idea if they spent more than Benfica or not, but I know that they didn't make big signings. And for sure, there were multiple European clubs who spent much more than them.

 

[Revan]

Well that's up to him - we have Sanchez who will be playing ahead of him this season anyway so if he wants to waste a year of his career at the age he is and hope that clubs will still be interested next summer then that's fair enough. Now is the best chance he has at getting a big contract elsewhere - waiting a season with little football inbetween is taking a huge risk. He wants one big final contract to see out his career.

It all depends on what other clubs are interested. If let's say Bayern are interested on him, he won't wait for us, but if only second tier teams are interested (on lower wages than Spurs offer), he will either wait a year or sign Spurs contract.

This game doesn't work always well for clubs as BVB saw with Lewandovski or Arsenal with Sanchez. At times it works (United with DDG). Anyway, Alder won't be put of contract next summer so he isn't at rush of signing a new contract (being without a contract isn't healthy as Valdez can prove).

Of course, it is all speculation. I think that we'll sign him without giving Martial to you, but I might be well wrong on this. Neither of us has any idea what is really going on Levy's and Woody's head.

 

[TehRed]

Alderweireld and Rose would both be an immediate upgrade for us, Dembele is a class and often underrated midfielder but I don't think we have a need for him unless we were to sell Pogba (though I don't think that happens)

 

[Revan]

Alderweireld and Rose would both be an immediate upgrade for us, Dembele is a class and often underrated midfielder but I don't think we have a need for him unless we were to sell Pogba (though I don't think that happens)

Rose isn't better than Young to be fair, so not an upgrade. He is also a crock.

 

[SquishyMcSquish]

Take 50m and invest on an attacker, it seems the best solution. Vertonghen, Sanchez and Dier should be good enough for CB positions, they showed it last season.

Otherwise, try to convince for another time Alder to sign the new contract with a bigger salary increase but no release clause.

We struggled with just those CB options last season. I seem to recall a few games where we were down to the barebones and it cost us, personally I don't like being forced to play Dier at CB as he's error prone (can get away with that in DM), he can look competent in a back 3 but he hasn't looked reliable in a four at all. Relying on Sanchez for another season again seems risky too, had a good season but he's still as inconsistent as you would expect from a central defender of his age. If we didn't replace Alderweireld we'd go in to the next season with only really one experienced CB.

We might end up doing that, it's not a great situation for us.

 

[TehRed]

Rose isn't better than Young to be fair, so not an upgrade. He is also a crock.

Rose is younger, a natural left footer, and better than Shaw at this moment in time. He's better competition for Young at the very least, and with Dalot and Valencia both currently injured, Young probably plays more at right back for now.

 

[EyeInTheSky]

Can you imagine Jose at Spurs with their budget. He’d be telling the fans not to expect Europa league. So no I don’t get your point.

I’m not surprised.

Anything about Jose’s “budget” when he won the champions league and League at both Porto and Inter?

Spurs players are better with a better manager yet somehow budget is a factor. Logic would dicatate that a better coach with better players should win something or at least finish above the lesser coach.

 

[Mainoldo]

1) Again you're ignoring that he won UCL, not only UEFA cup with Porto. No one is looking for Poch to take over some big club, right?

2) Spalleti, Ranieri, Jardim, Emeri etc. Good but not elite managers. He is doing a good job, but has stagnated and should have won something so far (be it the title on Leicester season, or FA Cup last season). I don't remember a single manager who won nothing on his first decade and then later started winning a lot. It just doesn't happen, in fact most of achievements happen on the first decade.

3) I have no idea if they spent more than Benfica or not, but I know that they didn't make big signings. And for sure, there were multiple European clubs who spent much more than them.

• I was alive yes I know he won it. What does this prove? So did Roberto Di Matteo.

• Jorgen Klopp took 10 years to win something of any credibility, Ancelotti took about 8 years maybe more to win something too. Are we going to say he'll never win a trophy because he hasn't won yet? David Moyes was handed a charity shield so what.

• They didn't make big signings compared to who? I already said they was the biggest club in Portugal at the time and even after Mourinho they continued to dominate.

 

[vadimivich]

Relying on Sanchez for another season again seems risky too, had a good season but he's still as inconsistent as you would expect from a central defender of his age.

Sanchez and Vertonghen are basically 2 of the first 4 first names on the team sheet along with Kane and Eriksen. Not sure why anyone doubts Sanchez, not after he just got a huge new contract and played basically every match he was fit for last season. He's clearly Pochettino's #1 selection at the right side of 2 defenders or in the center of 3. The moment Sanchez broke into the team, Pochettino did not play Toby+Verts again for the rest of the season. It was either a 3 or he played Sanchez+Verts. His pace has made him absolutely essential ... and it's why Alderweireld is not "expendable" but someone Spurs would consider selling in the right situation.

 

[balaks]

It all depends on what other clubs are interested. If let's say Bayern are interested on him, he won't wait for us, but if only second tier teams are interested (on lower wages than Spurs offer), he will either wait a year or sign Spurs contract.

This game doesn't work always well for clubs as BVB saw with Lewandovski or Arsenal with Sanchez. At times it works (United with DDG). Anyway, Alder won't be put of contract next summer so he isn't at rush of signing a new contract (being without a contract isn't healthy as Valdez can prove).

Of course, it is all speculation. I think that we'll sign him without giving Martial to you, but I might be well wrong on this. Neither of us has any idea what is really going on Levy's and Woody's head.

That we can agree on!

 

[SquishyMcSquish]

Sanchez and Vertonghen are basically 2 of the first 4 first names on the team sheet along with Kane and Eriksen. Not sure why anyone doubts Sanchez, not after he just got a huge new contract and played basically every match he was fit for last season. He's clearly Pochettino's #1 selection at the right side of 2 defenders or in the center of 3. The moment Sanchez broke into the team, Pochettino did not play Toby+Verts again for the rest of the season. It was either a 3 or he played Sanchez+Verts. His pace has made him absolutely essential ... and it's why Alderweireld is not "expendable" but someone Spurs would consider selling in the right situation.

He's very good but he played every match he was fit for last season due to a lack of options. Alderweireld was at odds with the club and/or injured, so it's not like we had many alternatives other than playing Dier at CB. Toby is still the better defender and still important to us in terms of rotation, so to lose him without bringing in another central defender would be a poor move. Sanchez is still a young player who I'd prefer not to entirely rely on if possible, plenty of games where he looked suspect last season. Undeniably a fantastic talent, though.

 

[Mainoldo]

I’m not surprised.

Anything about Jose’s “budget” when he won the champions league and League at both Porto and Inter?

Spurs players are better with a better manager yet somehow budget is a factor. Logic would dicatate that a better coach with better players should win something or at least finish above the lesser coach.

Did he not have a better budget than anyone in his league at the time? People forget why that Inter were dominant. If we got relegated and Chelsea were deducted 15 points in 07, i'm sure Liverpool's trophy cabinate would be looking a lot more glamours right now.

They've had the same team for basically 4 years and out of them four years we've finished above them once. Yes 'once'. So i ask you, what are you talking about.

 

[EyeInTheSky]

Did he not have a better budget than anyone in his league at the time? People forget why that Inter were dominant. If we got relegated and Chelsea were deducted 15 points in 07, i'm sure Liverpool's trophy cabinate would be looking a lot more glamours right now.

They've had the same team for basically 4 years and out of them four years we've finished above them once. Yes 'once'. So i ask you, what are you talking about.

And with that I bid you ignore.

 

[TheReligion]

Well that's up to him - we have Sanchez who will be playing ahead of him this season anyway so if he wants to waste a year of his career at the age he is and hope that clubs will still be interested next summer then that's fair enough. Now is the best chance he has at getting a big contract elsewhere - waiting a season with little football inbetween is taking a huge risk. He wants one big final contract to see out his career.

It's not really as easy as that though. I'm sure Poch won't want him sat there stinking the place out nor will Levy want to pass on the opportunity of making some money as opposed to having his hand forced at a cut price.

Spurs don't hold any cards really and United won't sell Martial to a PL club if at all. Infact United won't let him go unless we have a replacement. We are under no pressure to move him on.

 

[vadimivich]

He's very good but he played every match he was fit for last season due to a lack of options. Alderweireld was at odds with the club and/or injured, so it's not like we had many alternatives other than playing Dier at CB. Toby is still the better defender and still important to us in terms of rotation, so to lose him without bringing in another central defender would be a poor move. Sanchez is still a young player who I'd prefer not to entirely rely on if possible, plenty of games where he looked suspect last season. Undeniably a fantastic talent, though.

That's simply not true. We played the first 3 matches of the season with Toby+Verts and struggled - Sanchez then came in as the center of the back 3 and never lost his spot for any reason. Even when we played 4 before Alderweireld's injury, it was always Sanchez.

We have 2 slow fullbacks. Cannot play 2 slower center halves with them. We got wrecked to start last season doing that and Poch never returned to it. With healthy Walker and Rose, sure - Toby+Verts works. With Trippier and Davies, no way.

 

[Mainoldo]

And with that I bid you ignore.

You said budget. Why would he moan he had a bigger budget than Sporting and Benfica. At Inter he had a bigger budget than AC Milan, Roma and Lazio. What has he got to moan about really?

 

[SquishyMcSquish]

Danny Rose personifies mediocrity. And he comes from a long line of Spurs sicknotes. Dembele is another hack footballer at the highest level who is easy on the eye but has nothing of substance. Alderwireld is the only one who would improve our team considerably.

At his best Dembele was crucial to us. Just because he wasn't getting goals and assists doesn't mean he didn't have substance. His runs and ability to shield the ball opened up tons of space for our other attacking players, he's one of the most press resistant players in the world. He's roundly adored by the fans, his fellow players and the managers who have worked with him, so they can't all be incorrect. We're a much better team with him in the team, and most of our best performances last season came when he was fit. More end product would be nice, but he's still a player who can have a major influence on a game without necessarily getting the goals/assists, so describing him as a 'hack football' is very, very harsh.

He's struggling now though. Injuries have caught up with him.

 

[balaks]

It's not really as easy as that though. I'm sure Poch won't want him sat there stinking the place out nor will Levy want to pass on the opportunity of making some money as opposed to having his hand forced at a cut price.

Spurs don't hold any cards really and United won't sell Martial to a PL club if at all. Infact United won't let him go unless we have a replacement. We are under no pressure to move him on.

It depends on how badly Jose wants Toby though - from what we can tell (which tbh is mostly guess work) Toby is Jose's main target in central defence - Maguire is being considered perhaps but only if Toby is unavailable - does Jose value Toby over Martial? If we as a club believe he wants Toby as a number 1 target then there is leverage to be had - all this as I said is pure guess work and none of us really know what is happening but if what I've suggested is true then Utd do not hold all the cards (but are still in a strong position).

 

[Revan]

It depends on how badly Jose wants Toby though - from what we can tell (which tbh is mostly guess work) Toby is Jose's main target in central defence - Maguire is being considered perhaps but only if Toby is unavailable - does Jose value Toby over Martial? If we as a club believe he wants Toby as a number 1 target then there is leverage to be had - all this as I said is pure guess work and none of us really know what is happening but if what I've suggested is true then Utd do not hold all the cards (but are still in a strong position).

I think this has been going on since the beginning. However, now there is only one week remaining so we have to wait and see who blinks first.

For this reason, I think that it will go on deadline day.

 

[Green_Red]

Dont want any of them. There is a reason for them being available.

Spurs are building a new stadium and need the money?

 

[SquishyMcSquish]

That's simply not true. We played the first 3 matches of the season with Toby+Verts and struggled - Sanchez then came in as the center of the back 3 and never lost his spot for any reason. Even when we played 4 before Alderweireld's injury, it was always Sanchez.

We have 2 slow fullbacks. Cannot play 2 slower center halves with them. We got wrecked to start last season doing that and Poch never returned to it. With healthy Walker and Rose, sure - Toby+Verts works. With Trippier and Davies, no way.

We're judging the situation off 3 games now? Alderweireld clearly struggled to get in the team because of off the pitch reasons, he wasn't even making the squad most of the time. Of course it helped that Sanchez was doing well, and yes with our lack of pace it does make sense tactically, but it was pretty clear that he didn't even have a chance of getting in to the team because of the ongoing contract situation. We won't have enough defenders to even move to a back three if we sell Alderweireld and don't replace him. I think you're overplaying the lack of pace anyhow, our first three results were a win away to newcastle, a loss to Chelsea (because of a set piece and a shot straight through Lloris, if I recall) and a draw 1-1 to Burnley. None of these games were we struggling particularly defensively, it was more a case of struggling to open up teams. We did well with the back 3 .. but we need Alderweireld for that.

Even if you're right and tactically Sanchez makes more sense, it's still a good idea to have more than 2 genuine central defenders at the club, no? An injury to Vertonghen or Sanchez and we're relying on the error prone Dier. It isn't a situation we want to be in, we have depth problems across the pitch and shouldn't be adding to them.

 

[sunama]

I don't rate Dembele. Our current midfielders are better than him.
Rose - I rate Ashley Young higher, as did Southgate.
Toby - an interesting one. I think he is better than any of our current CBs, but only marginally better. In other words, he is not the sort of CB who could transform us.

 

[sunama]

Won’t be hammering F5 on transfer deadline day if this is all we have to look forward to.

I remember when Pogba played his first game for us at OT, the atmosphere was electric. The stadium was buzzing. It was Jose's first match at OT, as our manager. It was the first EPL game, we were playing on a Friday night, too. I've never felt an atmosphere like that before.
When Sanchez played his first game for us, I was super excited. I mean...we signed Alexis Sanchez for crying out loud!

Toby, Rose, Dembele - even if we signed all 3 of them, I just wouldn't be excited.
So underwhelming.

 

[vadimivich]

I think Foyth is going to play a lot more this season (deputizing Vertonghen more than the right side), he seems also highly rated by Pochettino. It would be terrific to have Alderweireld stay and be focused so we can play 3 at the back and he can give Sanchez a breather in cup matches, etc - but I don't think he is going to be happy being the clear #2 choice behind Sanchez, not when he wants that last big payday.

I think he'll be sold on deadline day, and I wouldn't be surprised if Spurs do bring in one more center defender at the same time.

 

[Irish Jet]

They would all improve the squad obviously.

Dembele should have been signed in 2011, it was such an obvious transfer to make at the time – If nothing else it would stop him tearing through us twice a season as he’s regularly done. He’s not the same force now and we’re actually well covered with Pogba and Fred who can both carry the ball in midfield. Pogba took his soul in the FA Cup last season. No chance we’d go in for him.

Rose is a huge upgrade on Shaw even now. If he ever recovered his 15/16 form he’d be easily worth £50-60m in this market. Seeming less likely by the day that that ever happens but he would still be a useful addition. I’d currently take a stump over Luke Shaw though.

Toby would obviously slot straight into the XI. He’s everything we’re missing in defence – Leadership, composure, consistency and ability with the ball at his feet – I think he’d compliment all of our current defenders well and is the player I think we ought to be after. The most likely that we go after but not sure Levy will budge unless the fee is crazy or Martial is involved. Will probably go to Italy for €40m or something like that after the deadline.

 

[arthurka]

Spurs are building a new stadium and need the money?

Or they wont get more than 25m for him next season .

 

[NJM78]

Rose pre injury 100% over Ashley Young everyday for me. Actually post injury I still prefer him.

Dembele is class although his world cup was woeful, would definitely have him over Herrera, McT and Fellaini as an option.

Toby I like and his age doesn't bother, think he would walk straight into our team.

Biggest issue is Levy and we would over pay for all three. Think we will buy Toby though.

 

[Mihai]

Something of it can be attributed to a little downturn in our performance post-Fergie. When successful the team ( that includes fans ) acts like a team and when faced with difficulties doubts start to appear. Faith in the players and the team start to shake.

There were fans moaning about our players during SAF as well.

 

[Rozay]

Done is a tad harsh. He still had a number of fantastic performances for us last season (vs United, Juventus, Liverpool etc) and remained an important player. I think he still has something to offer if his fitness is handled well and he's not overplayed, the problem is that we have often been too reliant on him as we have nobody else in midfield who offers what he does. A move to somewhere like Serie A where the pace is slower may be a decent idea for him.

Maybe a tad harsh. Think he looked terribly off the pace in the World Cup too though, and typically, where a talented midfielder enters the stage of their career where they are continually fouling their man, usually from behind, the signs are there. This is what he was doing, and was extremely fortunate not to walk against France I think it was.

 

[Kidders]

I just can't get excited about buying any of them, firstly why are they available ? Not good enough for Spurs obviously, so why would anyone think they are good enough for us ? I know I'm in a minority but I'm not even sold on Alderweireld.

 

[vadimivich]

Maybe a tad harsh. Think he looked terribly off the pace in the World Cup too though, and typically, where a talented midfielder enters the stage of their career where they are continually fouling their man, usually from behind, the signs are there. This is what he was doing, and was extremely fortunate not to walk against France I think it was.

The CL campaign clearly took a ton out of him. By the second half of the season his legs were completely gone (that FA Cup semifinal is probably the worst match I've ever seen him play, he was a ghost) and he was quite poor in the WC too. I think realistically he can play about 20 matches a season at a top level going forward, and that's likely just not enough.

 

[Yellow Black & Red]

Rose is a huge upgrade on Shaw even now. If he ever recovered his 15/16 form he’d be easily worth £50-60m in this market. Seeming less likely by the day that that ever happens but he would still be a useful addition. I’d currently take a stump over Luke Shaw though.

I'm flabbergasted people are entertaining the idea of signing Rose - what a short-sighted waste of money that would be! He wouldn't solve the left-back position at all and people would be desperate to replace/upgrade him again as soon as they'd seen him in action again. Alex Sandro or Tierney wouldn't be too much difference in price and would actually be upgrades with some element of flair attached to them, rather than another mediocre body making up the numbers/filling in a gap. In another year their might also be another new left-back having made a breakthrough somewhere worth taking a punt on. One thing's for sure, there's no point in signing Rose even given the current options United have.

 

[AltiUn]

It all depends on what other clubs are interested. If let's say Bayern are interested on him, he won't wait for us, but if only second tier teams are interested (on lower wages than Spurs offer), he will either wait a year or sign Spurs contract.

This game doesn't work always well for clubs as BVB saw with Lewandovski or Arsenal with Sanchez. At times it works (United with DDG). Anyway, Alder won't be put of contract next summer so he isn't at rush of signing a new contract (being without a contract isn't healthy as Valdez can prove).

Of course, it is all speculation. I think that we'll sign him without giving Martial to you, but I might be well wrong on this. Neither of us has any idea what is really going on Levy's and Woody's head.

Agreed, just my thoughts but our value of Martial now and our value of Martial next summer relative to Spurs's valuation of Alderweireld next summer, £25m supposedly, would make little sense for a transfer. I've seen a lot of Spurs fans feeling like they can strong arm us on this one but I'm not convinced, it's not a fair trade, despite what they seem to think and I wouldn't be shocked to see Levy accept a bid if we match their valuation. Besides, from our perspective I'd find it unlikely that we didn't have a lot of potential suitors in Europe for Martial next season who'd certainly give us better value for money.

 

[AlexUTD]

Rose is pretty poor these days, I don’t think he’d be an improvement even with our LB issues.

He is better than Shaw attacking wise and better than Young defensively so he is a improvement as long as he stays away from injuries. But he wont stay injury free so no point signing him.


@ricky-romeo Rose had a knee injury most of the season. Of course he is not gonna start in the WC when he was not really match fit.

 

[Yidarmy]

Spurs are building a new stadium and need the money?

Stadium finance are all in place, most land purchase and design work was done 2 or 3 years ago and all paid for, Spurs opened a credit line for £500m to build stadium and club already had other finance in place as they also build Sainsburys next to new ground and have the finances in from that, very soon they will announce major sponsorship with Nike for naming rights and then there's NFL money been put in already. Spurs have money to spend just very difficult to get in players who would walk in to our front XI as most areas (LB maybe) we are very strong.

What we need is to strengthen our depth and have quality options from the bench that can change games, and most importantly someone wide with pace.

I believe the story that is in the press re the 3 for sale has come from a Levy leak to firm up interest in Toby from other sources mainly abroad which Levy will wait for as their windows do close after ours (which is madness). Now if Toby then refuses to go he will be playing this coming season with the stiffs and I'm fairly sure Levy wont mind missing out on what he could have got for Toby when he can still probably get nearly double what we paid for him. Thing Toby will have to weigh up is does he want to sit on bench and have the occasional League cup game. by then end of this season he will be 30 and his options of joining a big/bigger club will be very limited.

One thing for sure if I was a betting man I'd have my money on Levy winning as he very rarely loses when it comes to business.

 

[extincti fugax hominum]

Dont want any of them. There is a reason for them being available.

This. Why would we sign players who will probably not improve us(bar toby maybe even though I'm not totally convinced by him) and will be deadwoods in a couple of years?

 

[evil_geko]

Only Alderweireld for me, I can't stand Danny Rose.

 

[Van Piorsing]

Selling squad players just to reinvest in more of squad players is borderline weird with so many squad players already in the team.

Only Toby represents potential United quality for the first team.

 

[AltiUn]

He is better than Shaw attacking wise and better than Young defensively so he is a improvement as long as he stays away from injuries. But he wont stay injury free so no point signing him.


@ricky-romeo Rose had a knee injury most of the season. Of course he is not gonna start in the WC when he was not really match fit.

He was a better full back at one point but hasn’t shown that sort of form in nearly two seasons.

 

[Yellow Black & Red]

He is better than Shaw attacking wise and better than Young defensively so he is a improvement as long as he stays away from injuries. But he wont stay injury free so no point signing him.

I'm better than Shaw attacking wise and I've not even kicked a football in two years.